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Post by Mr. Ho on Jan 3, 2016 20:14:32 GMT -6
Bite the bullet. Match this guys salary and give him the gate for when Kentucky (where he is Asst HC) and Louisville (where he won a national title) come to Troy for a game. Pearson and Varnado wouldn't transfer. We would win a Conference title in year one and two. The Arena would be full too. Some P5 team would buy his contract out and we would have our ArkSt FB HC Model. We have a $45 million facility and a Dime Store program. Again, all o our winning took place in a dump.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 3, 2016 21:29:31 GMT -6
UT-Chattannoga hired a young assistant coach from UF that learned under Billy Donovan. He was from here and I knew his family. He has done very well so far. I like your thinking here.
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Post by jonesoxygen on Jan 4, 2016 10:10:19 GMT -6
Wow, Mr Ho is done with the Cunningham experiment. Here is my .02, take it for what it's worth. Is our program where we want it to be, of course not. If you look at our roster and see where we are being led by freshmen and sophomores, we are headed in the right direction. There has not been a game this year that we have been blown out like years past. This group is getting better and getting better the right way, by building from the high school level.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 4, 2016 11:40:57 GMT -6
I'm curious as to what getting better is? Year one to year two record was the same and this year is not off to a good start. Coaches are hired to win or at least show improvement in the w-l column year to year.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jan 4, 2016 12:29:44 GMT -6
Wow, Mr Ho is done with the Cunningham experiment. Here is my .02, take it for what it's worth. Is our program where we want it to be, of course not. If you look at our roster and see where we are being led by freshmen and sophomores, we are headed in the right direction. There has not been a game this year that we have been blown out like years past. This group is getting better and getting better the right way, by building from the high school level. Isn't it amazing how some of the same ones that screamed for Troy to build the program the right way, from the ground up with high school players, are same ones wanting to fire coaches because they aren't succesful overnight.
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Jan 4, 2016 14:00:43 GMT -6
A coach should be given a minimum of 5 years.
That's one complete recruiting cycle. (A coach's first year shouldn't count in win/loss discussion as it is contested with the previous regimes players.)
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Jan 4, 2016 14:36:57 GMT -6
Wow, Mr Ho is done with the Cunningham experiment. Here is my .02, take it for what it's worth. Is our program where we want it to be, of course not. If you look at our roster and see where we are being led by freshmen and sophomores, we are headed in the right direction. There has not been a game this year that we have been blown out like years past. This group is getting better and getting better the right way, by building from the high school level. Isn't it amazing how some of the same ones that screamed for Troy to build the program the right way, from the ground up with high school players, are same ones wanting to fire coaches because they aren't succesful overnight. Come in Hemi... this hasn't been an overnight thing. He's been at Troy since the beginning of 2013, going 11-20, 10-19, and now 3-8 since then. That's a 24-47 record. I like the talent and the young guys that he has brought in. He's been great at recruiting them. We've got some really good players in Varnado, Person, Hopkins, Hollimon, Ford, Walton, etc. But why are they still losing to teams that, on film and paper, are not as good. Arkansas State has very little depth compared to Troy, and Austin Peay isn't that great. Yet Troy will play teams like Seton Hall, Ole Miss, and UALR down to the wire. Fact of the matter is, the coaches and players have to keep stepping it up. Troy is next to last in the Sun Belt in free-throw percentage at 62%. They have absolutely got to get better at that. That is one of the biggest things that's killing them.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jan 4, 2016 15:31:32 GMT -6
Isn't it amazing how some of the same ones that screamed for Troy to build the program the right way, from the ground up with high school players, are same ones wanting to fire coaches because they aren't succesful overnight. Come in Hemi... this hasn't been an overnight thing. He's been at Troy since the beginning of 2013, going 11-20, 10-19, and now 3-8 since then. That's a 24-47 record. I like the talent and the young guys that he has brought in. He's been great at recruiting them. We've got some really good players in Varnado, Person, Hopkins, Hollimon, Ford, Walton, etc. But why are they still losing to teams that, on film and paper, are not as good. Arkansas State has very little depth compared to Troy, and Austin Peay isn't that great. Yet Troy will play teams like Seton Hall, Ole Miss, and UALR down to the wire. Fact of the matter is, the coaches and players have to keep stepping it up. Troy is next to last in the Sun Belt in free-throw percentage at 62%. They have absolutely got to get better at that. That is one of the biggest things that's killing them. Couldn't agree more that free throws are killing them right now. I think you have to look at his first year as being really beyond his control. Maestri's jucos was basically all he had that year. Year two depleted by injuries. I think there will be some improvement this year, and I also think there will be some frustrating losses due to the youth of the team. If you fire him does the next guy only get three years of his four year contract to reach the top? If so I would call that an SEC type of mentality. Building the program right takes time. I'm sure Phil is more frustrated than anyone with the last two losses.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jan 4, 2016 16:11:18 GMT -6
Troy is 11th out of 11 in the sbc in the last 2 season in total conference wins.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 4, 2016 16:25:33 GMT -6
Troy is 11th out of 11 in the sbc in the last 2 season in total conference wins. But we are showing great improvement homershake
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Post by Troystet on Jan 4, 2016 16:32:13 GMT -6
Come in Hemi... this hasn't been an overnight thing. He's been at Troy since the beginning of 2013, going 11-20, 10-19, and now 3-8 since then. That's a 24-47 record. I like the talent and the young guys that he has brought in. He's been great at recruiting them. We've got some really good players in Varnado, Person, Hopkins, Hollimon, Ford, Walton, etc. But why are they still losing to teams that, on film and paper, are not as good. Arkansas State has very little depth compared to Troy, and Austin Peay isn't that great. Yet Troy will play teams like Seton Hall, Ole Miss, and UALR down to the wire. Fact of the matter is, the coaches and players have to keep stepping it up. Troy is next to last in the Sun Belt in free-throw percentage at 62%. They have absolutely got to get better at that. That is one of the biggest things that's killing them. Couldn't agree more that free throws are killing them right now. I think you have to look at his first year as being really beyond his control. Maestri's jucos was basically all he had that year. Year two depleted by injuries. I think there will be some improvement this year, and I also think there will be some frustrating losses due to the youth of the team. If you fire him does the next guy only get three years of his four year contract to reach the top? If so I would call that an SEC type of mentality. Building the program right takes time. I'm sure Phil is more frustrated than anyone with the last two losses. Women's program was far worse off. When Rigsby was hired they won 2 games the prior season and none of the players were recruited to run the fast paced system. She showed improvement year one in w-l, year two improvement, year three drastic improvement. Cunnigham showed no improvement year one, did worse year two, and we are 3-8 this year. Sorry, if he hasn't showed improvement then he won't. Decent recruiter but maybe not a HC
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Post by Hemi Man on Jan 4, 2016 16:47:25 GMT -6
Troystet and AtlTrojan, if he had gone 17-13 (6-8)his first year, 10-17 (4-10)in year 2, and 11-17 (3-11)in year 3, would you have fired him at the end of year 3 for not showing progress? 38-47 over three seasons.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 4, 2016 16:53:47 GMT -6
Troystet and AtlTrojan, if he had gone 17-13 (6-8)his first year, 10-17 (4-10)in year 2, and 11-17 (3-11)in year 3, would you have fired him at the end of year 3 for not showing progress? 38-47 over three seasons. I can pretty much say that most programs would fire a coach with those results. Georgia fired a football coach who won, and that I didn't understand ?? But PH hasn't had a 17-13 season. He was hired to turn around the program. His record has said he hasn't and year to year progress in w-l says he hasn't. What do we hire and pay coaches for? If wins and records don't matter at Troy then we need to play in the Upward Basketball Program and give out participation trophies
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Post by Hemi Man on Jan 4, 2016 17:10:39 GMT -6
Troystet and AtlTrojan, if he had gone 17-13 (6-8)his first year, 10-17 (4-10)in year 2, and 11-17 (3-11)in year 3, would you have fired him at the end of year 3 for not showing progress? 38-47 over three seasons. I can pretty much say that most programs would fire a coach with those results. Georgia fired a football coach who won, and that I didn't understand ?? But PH hasn't had a 17-13 season. He was hired to turn around the program. His record has said he hasn't and year to year progress in w-l says he hasn't. What do we hire and pay coaches for? If wins and records don't matter at Troy then we need to play in the Upward Basketball Program and give out participation trophies Well Mr Athletic Director you would have fired this guy from Duke after his third season.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 4, 2016 17:17:58 GMT -6
Ok then we give him two more years to stink it up and ask him to resign because we don't fire coaches and we give the next coach five years and we will listen to your list of excuses...prior staffs recruits, team is young, coach needs time, we don't know how time make free throws, team is improving except for record wise. Records don't matter at Troy. Guess that's why we drew more students to a girls soccer game than a basketball game
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Post by Troystet on Jan 4, 2016 17:18:17 GMT -6
Ok then we give him two more years to stink it up and ask him to resign because we don't fire coaches and we give the next coach five years and we will listen to your list of excuses...prior staffs recruits, team is young, coach needs time, we don't know how to make free throws, team is improving except for record wise. Records don't matter at Troy. Guess that's why we drew more students to a girls soccer game than a basketball game
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Post by Hemi Man on Jan 4, 2016 17:19:59 GMT -6
Ok then we give him two more years to stink it up and ask him to resign because we don't fire coaches and we give the next coach five years and we will listen to your list of excuses...prior staffs recruits, team is young, coach needs time, we don't know how time make free throws, team is improving except for record wise. Records don't matter at Troy. Guess that's why we drew more students to a girls soccer game than a basketball game Or we could just hire you and a few others on here to coach all sports and we would never lose and never have a student athlete fail a class.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 4, 2016 18:48:34 GMT -6
Ok then we give him two more years to stink it up and ask him to resign because we don't fire coaches and we give the next coach five years and we will listen to your list of excuses...prior staffs recruits, team is young, coach needs time, we don't know how time make free throws, team is improving except for record wise. Records don't matter at Troy. Guess that's why we drew more students to a girls soccer game than a basketball game Or we could just hire you and a few others on here to coach all sports and we would never lose and never have a student athlete fail a class First, no coach is going to win every game, every season. What they are hired to do at most schools, evidently Troy is the exception, is to win games and show improvement year to year. If your hired to turn around a program like Cunnigham was, then you need to show improvement in record, not do worse than the coach you replaced playing in what everybody here said was the problem...Sartain. So, if winning doesn't matter, I accept your job offer and the salaries that go with it. I will especially take the football salary. Wins don't matter right? All I have to do is give excuses, good press conferences, and say our teams are young.
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Post by troyjan95 on Jan 4, 2016 22:48:08 GMT -6
Coach Phil gets this year and next IMO - if next year is not vast improvement - maybe its time - but I like what I see live and in person - this team has potential with its youth - we are much more athletic
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 5, 2016 8:00:57 GMT -6
Look, PC should get 4 years. Most folks don't know the absolute chemical laced dumpster fire the entire basketball program was in. He is basically starting the program from scratch. Now if we finish at the bottom in this league with the talent we have then yes it is a coaching issue and would need to be looked at.
To the professional Trojan Excuse Club: please start demanding results, I hate to break it to you but it is about wins and losses at this level. If you want to feel good about "improvements" then go support the pee wee league in Slocomb.
To the folks that want to Burn and Turn, again due to the status of the program lets wait until the end of the season and review then. Your position will be better clarified. But regardless, PC must win the SB or make a tournament in year 4. The best facility in the league, this is a reasonable expectation. With investment you expect and demand returns.
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Post by jonesoxygen on Jan 5, 2016 8:10:06 GMT -6
Couldn't agree more that free throws are killing them right now. I think you have to look at his first year as being really beyond his control. Maestri's jucos was basically all he had that year. Year two depleted by injuries. I think there will be some improvement this year, and I also think there will be some frustrating losses due to the youth of the team. If you fire him does the next guy only get three years of his four year contract to reach the top? If so I would call that an SEC type of mentality. Building the program right takes time. I'm sure Phil is more frustrated than anyone with the last two losses. Women's program was far worse off. When Rigsby was hired they won 2 games the prior season and none of the players were recruited to run the fast paced system. She showed improvement year one in w-l, year two improvement, year three drastic improvement. Cunnigham showed no improvement year one, did worse year two, and we are 3-8 this year. Sorry, if he hasn't showed improvement then he won't. Decent recruiter but maybe not a HC Let's start with the fact that it's RIGBY. Please know your coaches names. I'm curious at how many games all of you have actually watched. I think the one thing we all agree on is free throw shooting, I will never understand why free throws are so complicated, it's the only part of the court that never changes from little league to NBA.
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Post by pcbtrojan on Jan 5, 2016 8:13:04 GMT -6
Its a little know fact that the team went to Shaq,s free throw clinic this summer.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 5, 2016 10:27:06 GMT -6
Women's program was far worse off. When Rigsby was hired they won 2 games the prior season and none of the players were recruited to run the fast paced system. She showed improvement year one in w-l, year two improvement, year three drastic improvement. Cunnigham showed no improvement year one, did worse year two, and we are 3-8 this year. Sorry, if he hasn't showed improvement then he won't. Decent recruiter but maybe not a HC Let's start with the fact that it's RIGBY. Please know your coaches names. I'm curious at how many games all of you have actually watched. I think the one thing we all agree on is free throw shooting, I will never understand why free throws are so complicated, it's the only part of the court that never changes from little league to NBA. Excuse me Professor Trojan
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Post by troy79 on Jan 7, 2016 13:02:07 GMT -6
Good gosh guys, we are only 2 games into our conference schedule and several of you are writing off the season??? We have a lot of ball to play and have a great group of guys with much talent. Let's have this conversation at the end of the season and allow PC and his coaching staff to do their thing from now through March.
Go TROY!
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