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Post by Trojan Warrior on Jul 20, 2015 17:48:25 GMT -6
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Jul 21, 2015 10:40:25 GMT -6
That was a good press conference for the coach
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Post by Troystet on Jul 21, 2015 10:46:38 GMT -6
That was a good press conference for the coach Neal is a good speaker. Heartbreaking to hear " picked 8th" unreal how far we fell in 4 years. Time to prove people wrong. Go Troy!!!
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Post by tntrojan on Jul 21, 2015 21:55:18 GMT -6
Did anyone hear our conference commish state that 'Belt teams need to stop scheduling money games? I see his point, that scheduling more "Charleston Southerns" might get us a better record, but does he really think the CFB playoffs are going to take an undefeated Sun Belt team who hasn't beaten a Power 5 (or two or three)? I am not impressed with this kind of thinking.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Jul 22, 2015 6:35:47 GMT -6
Did anyone hear our conference commish state that 'Belt teams need to stop scheduling money games? I see his point, that scheduling more "Charleston Southerns" might get us a better record, but does he really think the CFB playoffs are going to take an undefeated Sun Belt team who hasn't beaten a Power 5 (or two or three)? I am not impressed with this kind of thinking. I agree with him. We have a new coach this year and have to go to what is likely three Top 25 teams in North Carolina State, Wisconsin, and Mississippi State in our first five games. Two of those should to be 2-10 or 1-11 MAC/CUSA/AAC teams. I believe that's the plan for the future after 2015. With a very good (don't be fooled) Charleston Southern team and South Alabama also in our first five games, Troy could open the season 0-5. No one wants that, and I'm not saying that absolutely will happen. If we only had one body bag game, I'd see a much better opening record for 2015. Ditch these big money games and start scheduling like Arkansas State.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jul 22, 2015 8:25:55 GMT -6
Did anyone hear our conference commish state that 'Belt teams need to stop scheduling money games? I see his point, that scheduling more "Charleston Southerns" might get us a better record, but does he really think the CFB playoffs are going to take an undefeated Sun Belt team who hasn't beaten a Power 5 (or two or three)? I am not impressed with this kind of thinking. I agree with him. We have a new coach this year and have to go to what is likely three Top 25 teams in North Carolina State, Wisconsin, and Mississippi State in our first five games. Two of those should be 2-10 or 1-11 MAC/CUSA/AAC teams. I believe that's the plan for the future after 2015. With a very good (don't be fooled) Charleston Southern team and South Alabama also in our first five games, Troy could open the season 0-5. No one wants that, and I'm not saying that absolutely will happen. If we only had one body bag game, I'd see a much better opening record for 2015. Ditch these big money games and start scheduling like Arkansas State. We are gradually headed that way after this season. The NC St game is a good home and home series. Wisconsin is a true money game. Around a million dollars. Miss St is part of the 2 for 1 I think. The quickest way out of money games is selling out at home and a huge increase in philanthropic giving. The goal had long been to get away from multiple money games. I don't think any G5 school will crack the 4 team playoff in the near future. There is a really possibility of a New Year's Day Bowl with a tremendous pay out in my opinion.
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Jul 22, 2015 8:57:15 GMT -6
I'm not sure I like money games either. They can demoralize the team (I think that happened in the past few years) or they can lift them by playing with the best and competing and sometimes winning (Leodis McKelvin was first notice when we beat Okla St by the scouts who actually came to watch Okla ST).
Trouble is that we need the money. We need to fill the stands every game then we don't need the money games. Winning goes a long way to fill the stands; scheduling is another, fan involvement is another, but the bottom line starts with a "$" and until we fill the stands we'll need the money games
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Post by Troystet on Jul 22, 2015 9:49:12 GMT -6
Even if we filled the stands for every home game, we can't generate the pay we get for playing a Wisconsin etc. It's a true catch 22. It hurts your record but you need the money also. Puts us in a hole this season with three almost certain loses, that means you have to beat one of the following, Georgia Southern, ULL, App St. And win the rest. Of course the goal is to beat all 12 also.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Jul 22, 2015 9:52:36 GMT -6
Even if we filled the stands for every home game, we can't generate the pay we get for playing a Wisconsin etc. It's a true catch 22. It hurts your record but you need the money also. Puts us in a hole this season with three almost certain loses, that means you have to beat two of the following, Georgia Southern, ULL, App St. And win the rest. Of course the goal is to beat all 12 also. Charleston Southern and South Alabama are games that have the potential to define our team. They can either kill our morale, our give us a huge boost going into the rest of the schedule. I'll be very nervous at both of these games.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jul 22, 2015 10:07:28 GMT -6
Even if we filled the stands for every home game, we can't generate the pay we get for playing a Wisconsin etc. It's a true catch 22. It hurts your record but you need the money also. Puts us in a hole this season with three almost certain loses, that means you have to beat one of the following, Georgia Southern, ULL, App St. And win the rest. Of course the goal is to beat all 12 also. Six home games at $15 per ticket average is 2.8 million in ticket revenue. We know that's a low number for ticket cost when you factor in reserved, stadium club, and suites. That's not counting around another million in seat license if you sell out all home games. Wisconsin is a little over a million then you take away travel and lodging cost. Troy averaged 16,767 last season per game. That's 1.5 million in ticket revenue. Conservatively let's say there was $600,000 in TSL. I think that's too high, but for arguments sake lets go with it. That's about 1.7 million difference in selling out and taking the money game. Probably a 1 million dollar profit after you deduct travel for the Wisconsin game.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jul 22, 2015 11:51:02 GMT -6
Did anyone hear our conference commish state that 'Belt teams need to stop scheduling money games? I see his point, that scheduling more "Charleston Southerns" might get us a better record, but does he really think the CFB playoffs are going to take an undefeated Sun Belt team who hasn't beaten a Power 5 (or two or three)? I am not impressed with this kind of thinking. I agree with him. We have a new coach this year and have to go to what is likely three Top 25 teams in North Carolina State, Wisconsin, and Mississippi State in our first five games. Two of those should to be 2-10 or 1-11 MAC/CUSA/AAC teams. I believe that's the plan for the future after 2015. With a very good (don't be fooled) Charleston Southern team and South Alabama also in our first five games, Troy could open the season 0-5. No one wants that, and I'm not saying that absolutely will happen. If we only had one body bag game, I'd see a much better opening record for 2015. Ditch these big money games and start scheduling like Arkansas State. Sorry, but shying away from playing anyone is not the Trojan Way. This program was built the way he plans to rebuild it. It would behoove the AD to reassert the mantra: Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime...the program has to eat, sleep, and live it for the team's potential to be reached.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jul 22, 2015 11:56:40 GMT -6
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Post by Troystet on Jul 22, 2015 12:44:04 GMT -6
Even if we filled the stands for every home game, we can't generate the pay we get for playing a Wisconsin etc. It's a true catch 22. It hurts your record but you need the money also. Puts us in a hole this season with three almost certain loses, that means you have to beat one of the following, Georgia Southern, ULL, App St. And win the rest. Of course the goal is to beat all 12 also. Six home games at $15 per ticket average is 2.8 million in ticket revenue. We know that's a low number for ticket cost when you factor in reserved, stadium club, and suites. That's not counting around another million in seat license if you sell out all home games. Wisconsin is a little over a million then you take away travel and lodging cost. Troy averaged 16,767 last season per game. That's 1.5 million in ticket revenue. Conservatively let's say there was $600,000 in TSL. I think that's too high, but for arguments sake lets go with it. That's about 1.7 million difference in selling out and taking the money game. Probably a 1 million dollar profit after you deduct travel for the Wisconsin game. Students get in free, band day 2,500 band kids get in free, and the opposing team gets a percentage also. We averaged 16,000 a game on tickets sold but we both know we had a game with well under 5,000 in the stands and another two that had maybe 8-10,000. So that effects concessions which generate revenue. Drawing 16,000 a game will never eliminate the necessity for money games but I agree if we could start filling the stadium we could cut it to one money game. I think you still have to play a big game for recruiting. A recruit gets more excited about playing at Wisconsin in front of 85,000 than Charleston Southern in front of 17,000.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jul 22, 2015 12:51:32 GMT -6
Students don't really get in free. They pay up front through athletic fees...
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Post by Troystet on Jul 22, 2015 13:14:52 GMT -6
Students don't really get in free. They pay up front through athletic fees... True, but is the athletic fee for the general athletic budget and not a revenue per say source. There are schools...UF for instance, that charge a athletic fee and students have to buy tickets. Granted that don't work at Troy, but for all purposes, they get in free. Plus player tickets, which isn't a lot get factored into the free also. off topic some, but since my child was part of the SOTS, are they counted into the attendance? Also factoring in stadium club and chair back seating along with the $15 ga tickets, what do we average per ticket?
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Jul 22, 2015 15:49:07 GMT -6
I agree with him. We have a new coach this year and have to go to what is likely three Top 25 teams in North Carolina State, Wisconsin, and Mississippi State in our first five games. Two of those should to be 2-10 or 1-11 MAC/CUSA/AAC teams. I believe that's the plan for the future after 2015. With a very good (don't be fooled) Charleston Southern team and South Alabama also in our first five games, Troy could open the season 0-5. No one wants that, and I'm not saying that absolutely will happen. If we only had one body bag game, I'd see a much better opening record for 2015. Ditch these big money games and start scheduling like Arkansas State. Sorry, but shying away from playing anyone is not the Trojan Way. This program was built the way he plans to rebuild it. It would behoove the AD to reassert the mantra: Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime...the program has to eat, sleep, and live it for the team's potential to be reached. I think Coach Brown played his hand a little bit when talking about the South game. Stating he was going to circle that game. I think he his preparing that game to "put it all behind you, the last few weeks (no matter what has happened), OUR SEASON starts TODAY! Meaning Sun Belt play. This is the where we make our statement. Most likely 1-2, 9 to play, for the conference championship. That's what I took from it.
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Post by SoFlaTrojan on Jul 27, 2015 23:39:44 GMT -6
Why do I never hear anything about Troy scheduling former Sun Belt foes like WKU, MTSU, FAU and FIU, as well as USF, Memphis, UCF, etc.? These teams need one-for-ones, right? We certainly don't scare anyone any more.
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Post by pctrojan16 on Jul 28, 2015 8:49:49 GMT -6
I say schedule MTSU again, re ignite the old rivalry. Or possibly UCF or Memphis, two AAC schools on the up swing.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jul 28, 2015 9:35:53 GMT -6
Those schools made a decision to separate from the SBC, at some point. The perception is they are better than teams on the current Sun Belt roster and they want to keep it that way. Look how long Troy has attempted to get So Miss on the schedule. With future dates in question, they may have to out of necessity, but I wouldn't hold my breathe on that.
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Post by saintflorian on Jul 28, 2015 11:43:57 GMT -6
I agree with him. We have a new coach this year and have to go to what is likely three Top 25 teams in North Carolina State, Wisconsin, and Mississippi State in our first five games. Two of those should to be 2-10 or 1-11 MAC/CUSA/AAC teams. I believe that's the plan for the future after 2015. With a very good (don't be fooled) Charleston Southern team and South Alabama also in our first five games, Troy could open the season 0-5. No one wants that, and I'm not saying that absolutely will happen. If we only had one body bag game, I'd see a much better opening record for 2015. Ditch these big money games and start scheduling like Arkansas State. Sorry, but shying away from playing anyone is not the Trojan Way. This program was built the way he plans to rebuild it. It would behoove the AD to reassert the mantra: Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime...the program has to eat, sleep, and live it for the team's potential to be reached. Amen. Thank goodness somebody left on this board that has ball bearings left. Thanks brutha, why sit down and retreat when we should stand up and fight.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jul 28, 2015 11:49:35 GMT -6
Sorry, but shying away from playing anyone is not the Trojan Way. This program was built the way he plans to rebuild it. It would behoove the AD to reassert the mantra: Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime...the program has to eat, sleep, and live it for the team's potential to be reached. Amen. Thank goodness somebody left on this board that has ball bearings left. Thanks brutha, why sit down and retreat when we should stand up and fight. I was told that that's what Trojans do...time to close ranks and get back into this fight.
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Post by SoFlaTrojan on Jul 28, 2015 23:25:35 GMT -6
Our former Sun Belt members, as well as others in the CUSA and ACC, need decent home games as badly as we do. They aren't getting many major programs to visit their stadiums and should welcome some home-and-home games with us. Otherwise, they are stuck with sorry I-AAs as well.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jul 29, 2015 6:07:10 GMT -6
Why do I never hear anything about Troy scheduling former Sun Belt foes like WKU, MTSU, FAU and FIU, as well as USF, Memphis, UCF, etc.? These teams need one-for-ones, right? We certainly don't scare anyone any more. I have no idea if we have reached out to those schools at all. On the flip side are they willing to make a deal with Troy?
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