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Post by Navarre Trojan on Apr 26, 2015 6:56:03 GMT -6
watching yesterday's spring game I paid particular attention to the play clock. it seemed as though at the beginning of the game the offense's were much uptempo. as the game went to the late second and third quarter I noticed that we were running plays at the 9 to 12 second left on the clock while in the first and second quarter the play clock barely got below 20. not sure if this was due to confusion or what.
Not sure if this was showing the guys how fast we want to run vs how fast we currently can run plays in and out.
Saw some good things on both sides of the ball, I thought the special teams play was below average.
#3 wide out is going to be REALLY GOOD. O-LINE looked "soft" at times, #12 went through progressions MUCH BETTER and #6 may have something to say. #1 at QB was about what I expected, but at wide out MUCH BETTER than I suspected. Why does #11 throw into the dirt so much? Some plays looks GREAT! Tight spiral, on the money, then drip back for the quick out or bubble and DRILLS into the shoe strings? Hope he gets mor consistent. Liked the under center stuff.
Other thoughts?
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Post by Redwaver on Apr 26, 2015 7:26:40 GMT -6
watching yesterday's spring game I paid particular attention to the play clock. it seemed as though at the beginning of the game the offense's were much uptempo. as the game went to the late second and third quarter I noticed that we were running plays at the 9 to 12 second left on the clock while in the first and second quarter the play clock barely got below 20. not sure if this was due to confusion or what. Not sure if this was showing the guys how fast we want to run vs how fast we currently can run plays in and out. Saw some good things on both sides of the ball, I thought the special teams play was below average. #3 wide out is going to be REALLY GOOD. O-LINE looked "soft" at times, #12 went through progressions MUCH BETTER and #6 may have something to say. #1 at QB was about what I expected, but at wide out MUCH BETTER than I suspected. Why does #11 throw into the dirt so much? Some plays looks GREAT! Tight spiral, on the money, then drip back for the quick out or bubble and DRILLS into the shoe strings? Hope he gets mor consistent. Liked the under center stuff. Other thoughts? Tidwell threw into the dirt often when he was in sack condition to avoid loss. I'm sure they are being taught that. I left wondering! We seem to be small.... Hopefully they are fast. The entire scrmage seemed lackluster, going through the motions. That was a time for some bubble players yo step up especially in the enthusiasm department but I didn't see that. Often the play seemed as though we wanted to avoid any injuries so play was tempered. It was great to hear a coach say coach Brown had done a terrific job of ridding ourselves of a ton of the problem issues we had with players attitudes last year and several years earlier. We have a long ways to go to get back to championship caliber.
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Apr 26, 2015 7:48:52 GMT -6
watching yesterday's spring game I paid particular attention to the play clock. it seemed as though at the beginning of the game the offense's were much uptempo. as the game went to the late second and third quarter I noticed that we were running plays at the 9 to 12 second left on the clock while in the first and second quarter the play clock barely got below 20. not sure if this was due to confusion or what. Not sure if this was showing the guys how fast we want to run vs how fast we currently can run plays in and out. Saw some good things on both sides of the ball, I thought the special teams play was below average. #3 wide out is going to be REALLY GOOD. O-LINE looked "soft" at times, #12 went through progressions MUCH BETTER and #6 may have something to say. #1 at QB was about what I expected, but at wide out MUCH BETTER than I suspected. Why does #11 throw into the dirt so much? Some plays looks GREAT! Tight spiral, on the money, then drip back for the quick out or bubble and DRILLS into the shoe strings? Hope he gets mor consistent. Liked the under center stuff. Other thoughts? Tidwell threw into the dirt often when he was in sack condition to avoid loss. I'm sure they are being taught that. I left wondering! We seem to be small.... Hopefully they are fast. The entire scrmage seemed lackluster, going through the motions. That was a time for some bubble players yo step up especially in the enthusiasm department but I didn't see that. Often the play seemed as though we wanted to avoid any injuries so play was tempered. It was great to hear a coach say coach Brown had done a terrific job of ridding ourselves of a ton of the problem issues we had with players attitudes last year and several years earlier. We have a long ways to go to get back to championship caliber. Agree
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Post by Possum on Apr 26, 2015 11:22:08 GMT -6
We are incredibly small, but hopefully we make up for it in speed and discipline.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Apr 26, 2015 11:54:22 GMT -6
On the players being small: Having checked the roster, our guys are not small. Georgia Southern who just won the league has sizes just like ours and smaller. In fact, their O-Line is smaller even though they run the triple option and should require beefier lineman for run plays. They have several guys in the 260 to 285 range. Almost everyone of our guys are over 300 and as tall or taller than GS. On defense, our DEs and DTs are bigger than they've ever been (exception for T. Roberts, he's always been a smaller DE). Three of our four DTs are over 300. We got excited a few years back when we finally had one (Gosha) that could top 300. Some SEC teams teams have used a 270 (DT) 310 (NT) combo. That's pretty similar to what we'll likely do. From 2009 through 2013, and in some respects 2014, we had a lot of 5'8 and 5'9 CBs. Now we have a lot of CBs sitting at 5'11 and 6'0. We are not as small as many think. Trust me, players look a lot bigger when they're winning and look small when they're losing. Here's the depth chart for the Florida Gators. With the exception of DE and WR-inside, we are almost identical in size: florida.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp
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Post by Redwaver on Apr 26, 2015 16:38:25 GMT -6
On the players being small: Having checked the roster, our guys are not small. Georgia Southern who just won the league has sizes just like ours and smaller. In fact, their O-Line is smaller even though they run the triple option and should require beefier lineman for run plays. They have several guys in the 260 to 285 range. Almost everyone of our guys are over 300 and as tall or taller than GS. On defense, our DEs and DTs are bigger than they've ever been (exception for T. Roberts, he's always been a smaller DE). Three of our four DTs are over 300. We got excited a few years back when we finally had one (Gosha) that could top 300. Some SEC teams teams have used a 270 (DT) 310 (NT) combo. That's pretty similar to what we'll likely do. From 2009 through 2013, and in some respects 2014, we had a lot of 5'8 and 5'9 CBs. Now we have a lot of CBs sitting at 5'11 and 6'0. We are not as small as many think. Trust me, players look a lot bigger when they're winning and look small when they're losing. Here's the depth chart for the Florida Gators. With the exception of DE and WR-inside, we are almost identical in size: florida.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp I understand your points and font necessarily disagree but it's well known you take weights in programs with a cautious eye. Being "small" is not always a bad thing if you are quick and motivated and you have depth. To compare weights between schools does only one thing and that one thing is obvious. You can have kids from different schools that weigh the same and don't compare to each other in ability, etc. in the lease so weight is just one of the factors you look for. I know I stood beside two kids wearing badges as recruits and both were as large as any kid I saw in the Trojan walk. Most of our 300+ guys we have were here last year and line play was a disaster. I think we all hope that the new coaching philosophies, work ethic and the absence of troublemakers could make for a much better unit and size less of an issue. I look for us to go after lineman in our next round of recruiting. Lineman or LB that can put pressers on a quarterback. If you have that and some good corners you can play in out league.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Apr 26, 2015 19:01:20 GMT -6
On the players being small: Having checked the roster, our guys are not small. Georgia Southern who just won the league has sizes just like ours and smaller. In fact, their O-Line is smaller even though they run the triple option and should require beefier lineman for run plays. They have several guys in the 260 to 285 range. Almost everyone of our guys are over 300 and as tall or taller than GS. On defense, our DEs and DTs are bigger than they've ever been (exception for T. Roberts, he's always been a smaller DE). Three of our four DTs are over 300. We got excited a few years back when we finally had one (Gosha) that could top 300. Some SEC teams teams have used a 270 (DT) 310 (NT) combo. That's pretty similar to what we'll likely do. From 2009 through 2013, and in some respects 2014, we had a lot of 5'8 and 5'9 CBs. Now we have a lot of CBs sitting at 5'11 and 6'0. We are not as small as many think. Trust me, players look a lot bigger when they're winning and look small when they're losing. Here's the depth chart for the Florida Gators. With the exception of DE and WR-inside, we are almost identical in size: florida.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp I understand your points and font necessarily disagree but it's well known you take weights in programs with a cautious eye. Being "small" is not always a bad thing if you are quick and motivated and you have depth. To compare weights between schools does only one thing and that one thing is obvious. You can have kids from different schools that weigh the same and don't compare to each other in ability, etc. in the lease so weight is just one of the factors you look for. I know I stood beside two kids wearing badges as recruits and both were as large as any kid I saw in the Trojan walk. Most of our 300+ guys we have were here last year and line play was a disaster. I think we all hope that the new coaching philosophies, work ethic and the absence of troublemakers could make for a much better unit and size less of an issue. I look for us to go after lineman in our next round of recruiting. Lineman or LB that can put pressers on a quarterback. If you have that and some good corners you can play in out league. I agree 100%. Weight and skill are not always interlinked. All I was doing was debunking the claim that we have small players. We have a few here and there, but we are not a small team.
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Post by tenaciousT on Apr 26, 2015 22:04:47 GMT -6
I was pretty impressed with William Lloyd, one of the Juco LBs that we brought in.
I think Andre Flakes is doing a great job transitioning from WR to RB. I think he is going to have a pretty good year.
Interior run defense looked better (from what I can remember)
I was very impressed with Pruitt at WR. He made a couple a catches in traffic that I wouldn't expect a first time WR to make. I wouldn't be surprised if he is not in the starting rotation for the inside receivers.
Someone mentioned Tidwell throwing it in the ground... I know one play was a screen that the D did a good job of recognizing and busting up so Dallas just the it into the ground.
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Post by saintflorian on Apr 27, 2015 6:47:58 GMT -6
watching yesterday's spring game I paid particular attention to the play clock. it seemed as though at the beginning of the game the offense's were much uptempo. as the game went to the late second and third quarter I noticed that we were running plays at the 9 to 12 second left on the clock while in the first and second quarter the play clock barely got below 20. not sure if this was due to confusion or what. Not sure if this was showing the guys how fast we want to run vs how fast we currently can run plays in and out. Saw some good things on both sides of the ball, I thought the special teams play was below average. #3 wide out is going to be REALLY GOOD. O-LINE looked "soft" at times, #12 went through progressions MUCH BETTER and #6 may have something to say. #1 at QB was about what I expected, but at wide out MUCH BETTER than I suspected. Why does #11 throw into the dirt so much? Some plays looks GREAT! Tight spiral, on the money, then drip back for the quick out or bubble and DRILLS into the shoe strings? Hope he gets mor consistent. Liked the under center stuff. Other thoughts? Tidwell threw into the dirt often when he was in sack condition to avoid loss. I'm sure they are being taught that. I left wondering! We seem to be small.... Hopefully they are fast. The entire scrmage seemed lackluster, going through the motions. That was a time for some bubble players yo step up especially in the enthusiasm department but I didn't see that. Often the play seemed as though we wanted to avoid any injuries so play was tempered. It was great to hear a coach say coach Brown had done a terrific job of ridding ourselves of a ton of the problem issues we had with players attitudes last year and several years earlier. We have a long ways to go to get back to championship caliber. ....a loong way to get back
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Post by Hemi Man on Apr 27, 2015 7:17:38 GMT -6
Let's review again if we are small when we go to Lafayette Louisiana. Talent level is not near the level of 5 or 6 years ago. I'm confident this staff will get it fixed, but it will take some time.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Apr 27, 2015 7:58:20 GMT -6
I could not attend , dad did. He said was impressed overall not necessarily with actual game. Made some good and bad points, but was impressed with overall T DAY experience. He did say impressed overall with the number of recuits on campus for the game. Said the future looks bright, just might not be this season or the next , will take a little longer so we have to give it time.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Apr 27, 2015 8:28:16 GMT -6
D better in that we will attack.....we will have some big plays but overall I think we will be better.....our D line is a bit undersized but so was Georgia Tech last year and they did pretty well.....
O- good receiver core.....Jarvis....I will wait till season to see if he can do it game time....John Johnson, Edenfield, Holmes , Thompson, look to be solid....even though Edenfield out for spring....Pruitt.....WILL BE A PLAY MAKER.....he will be in to make plays....not too often at the QB spot.....Minshew will redshirt......Pruitt will be back up....Brevard occasional receiver.....Tidwell....tooo long of a delivery will not see much playing time....and the number one guy is set in Silvers...Other receivers out of backfield will be good too.
Oline could be solid but depth a problem.....Gross could be good, Garcia experience and with Dalton in mid...think we will be pretty good
Backs....Love em...Burks, Chunn, Anderson, and I think Flakes.....good bunch
optimistic.....7-5......maybe 8-4 I like the attitude.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Apr 27, 2015 8:42:00 GMT -6
The reason I am waiting to see how Jarvis does is that he is not that fleet of foot and against top level d-backs going to be hard to get open....even with back shoulder throw......and how does Jarvis handle being covered by the top flight of corners.......yes tall....and I hope he will handle game time like what he did the spring game...
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Post by Cane Gone Trojan on Apr 27, 2015 9:31:34 GMT -6
If Troy plays with the same emotion during games that they had when they were having practice competitions then they will win more then they lose this year.
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Post by chasin170 on Apr 27, 2015 10:01:37 GMT -6
FYI...Around 55 scholarship players participated in spring game
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Apr 27, 2015 10:16:44 GMT -6
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Post by Possum on Apr 27, 2015 11:30:31 GMT -6
I'm thinking 5-7 or a 6-6 with a possible Montgomery bowl invite...
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Post by atlantatrojan on Apr 27, 2015 11:35:31 GMT -6
I'm sticking to my 6-6 prediction
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Post by trojanempire on Apr 27, 2015 13:00:29 GMT -6
I'm thinking 5-7 or a 6-6 with a possible Montgomery bowl invite... If we can come out of the first 5 games at 2-3, I think 6-6 is a real possibility.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Apr 27, 2015 13:24:24 GMT -6
I think for once most of us are on the same page. If we're only a good as last year, we'll be 4-8 because we won't overlook CSU like we did ACU. That UAB loss has long since been gone from our veins (I think that blowout to the Blazers contributed to a flat season, and performance vs ACU).
We get USA early, they only have 5 returning starters (maybe less if some are DQ'd academically or injured between now and then) and have loaded up on UAB transfers and JUCO transfers (14 total). They will have chemistry issues early on and will likely think the UAB guys can help more than they will. UAB didn't go 10-2, but they have some decent players. We get them as our conference opener at home under Neal Brown. I can't help but think we have a lot in our favor for this matchup. They didn't exactly crush us last year either (27-13).
I don't expect Georgia State, Idaho, or New Mexico State to improve much. We "should" win those. A win over ULM at home or an upset over some of the bigger names in conference would give us six wins.
Have times for the games been announced? I'm hoping at least the first two home games are night games.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Apr 27, 2015 13:36:35 GMT -6
I agree with what TF05 said.
I also think ULM who was 4-8 last year won't be any better. I think we get that monkey off our backs in 2015.
Wins: CSU, Idaho, NMSU, GSU, USA, ULM
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Post by trojanbrutha on Apr 27, 2015 13:38:07 GMT -6
The track record of JH and the coaches he has brought to Troy leads me to believe that I can be cautiously optimistic. The first year NB was in Trojan territory, there were 4 early losses, but ended with a bowl victory and a championship run...all with small guys...pro style offensive players. It's an uphill climb, but I think the addition of the jucos with championship credentials will help the defense. That's the most important hurdle to get over.
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Post by cornhole on Apr 27, 2015 17:18:12 GMT -6
The track record of JH and the coaches he has brought to Troy leads me to believe that I can be cautiously optimistic. The first year NB was in Trojan territory, there were 4 early losses, but ended with a bowl victory and a championship run...all with small guys...pro style offensive players. It's an uphill climb, but I think the addition of the jucos with championship credentials will help the defense. That's the most important hurdle to get over. ^^^ This^^^ plus playing with heart and discipline, two most important ingredients that have been lacking. We will improve!!! 6 wins is 100% improvement!! This team will do it!!
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Post by buzzlightyear on Apr 28, 2015 12:59:29 GMT -6
could be that we will struggle again but I really believe that we have about an 80% chance of being or between 5-7 to 7-5 with most of that shifted to the 5 or 6 win side.....I think that we will surprise a few.....but I have no doubt that effort will be there.....and about a 17-18% chance of being under.....with about 2-3 % chance of being better than 7-5.
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