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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 19, 2015 11:55:56 GMT -6
Full cost of attendance passes 79-1 FORT WASHINGTON, Md. -- The power players in collegiate athletics enacted historic change Saturday at the NCAA convention, passing the first package of autonomous legislation, headlined by a full cost-of-attendance measure that will supplement student-athletes' scholarships with unprecedented dollars. "It's a big day for student-athletes," Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said. "The benefits now available to student-athletes are more significant. This is a big step forward and a response to a changing circumstance for the 21st-century athlete." The discussion and vote Saturday outside Washington, D.C., thrust fully into the spotlight the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, SEC and Pac-12 after the Division I Board of Directors granted autonomy to the Power 5 conferences last August to create rules free of the full NCAA membership. ( Full Article)
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Post by Troystet on Jan 19, 2015 12:49:28 GMT -6
Ridiculous ruling. A percentage of these athletes woukd not even be in college if they didn't play sports, let alone get 100% covered. What do they need a stipend for? This is a slap in the face of every general student who has to work to pay their school or who graduates with $40,000 plus of student debt.
What about the d2 and FCS players? Do they not deserve a stipend?
Stupid ruling from schols with more money than sense.
I will end of paying almost a $100,000 putting three kids through college. All of them honor graduates. Do they get a stipend?
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Post by Redwaver on Jan 19, 2015 20:14:31 GMT -6
Ridiculous ruling. A percentage of these athletes woukd not even be in college if they didn't play sports, let alone get 100% covered. What do they need a stipend for? This is a slap in the face of every general student who has to work to pay their school or who graduates with $40,000 plus of student debt. What about the d2 and FCS players? Do they not deserve a stipend? Stupid ruling from schols with more money than sense. I will end of paying almost a $100,000 putting three kids through college. All of them honor graduates. Do they get a stipend? David, dont mean this the way it's going to sound but heck, I'll ask you anyway. Have you ever been poor, REALLY poor? I mean you didn't have a dime in your pocket to do what other kids did at college. Did you go to college and wonder where you were going to get the funds to enjoy an occasional dinner or hamburger out with friends? Did you ever find s girl you wanted to take out but didn't have the money to do it. Did you walk everywhere you went because money for gas was not there and an old kluncker was out of the question. All this while you help make tons of money for your university playing a sport they made money off of. I absolutely understand the full scholarship thing. It's a great benefit but those kids work their butts off for it plus they put up with our bitc---g at them if they don't meet our ideals. My daughter, like yours was an honor student in high school and yes, I paid the bills for her college. Yes other students leave their university with debt and hopefully a degree but they had the opportunity to work after classes to help with that. That's what these student athletes are doing, working! Your daughter, like mine, was offered an accademic scholarship to attend in the state of Florida. She didn't deserve extra stipend when in college at FSU because she didn't work for the university in any capacity. I do feel all athletes should get the same small amount and it should go to band students etc. that perform at venues that REGULARLY bring in funding to the university. THE AMOUNTS PAID SHOULD BE VERY LIMITED. We are not paying a percentage of profits but funds to allow some sort of normal life given what they do for the university. This amount should be set by the NCAA and based on the reasonable amount of participation and should consider the smaller universities. This idea has pitfalls I grant you!!! Now for the bad, I think this could turn into a "who will pay me the most senario" in recruiting and the NCAA should have rules in place to SEVERELY punish any offenders. Now this is just my thoughts and opinions, nothing more than that but my daughter and the athletes at FSU when she attended there did not bring the same benefits financially to that university even tnough she made honors every quarter. They are just not the same. One guys opinion!
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Post by Troystet on Jan 20, 2015 7:09:42 GMT -6
I understand your point but I know poor kids now that are working two jobs to pay their way to community college plus taking on loans and don't have money to do anything. So by this formula the athlete who gets his school paid for is deemed more important. I have seen both sides of it as an athlete and parent paying for college and I don't agree with this. My son was a high honors grad with a 3.84 gpa and a 27 on his ACT and he could not get into UF let alone get scholarships but some athlete with a 2.0 and a 19 ACT gets a full ride and then we are going to give him $4,000 a year to spend?
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Jan 22, 2015 13:44:08 GMT -6
I understand your point but I know poor kids now that are working two jobs to pay their way to community college plus taking on loans and don't have money to do anything. So by this formula the athlete who gets his school paid for is deemed more important. I have seen both sides of it as an athlete and parent paying for college and I don't agree with this. My son was a high honors grad with a 3.84 gpa and a 27 on his ACT and he could not get into UF let alone get scholarships but some athlete with a 2.0 and a 19 ACT gets a full ride and then we are going to give him $4,000 a year to spend? Yep, because he/she will generate revenue is the thoufht???
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2015 14:00:42 GMT -6
I understand your point but I know poor kids now that are working two jobs to pay their way to community college plus taking on loans and don't have money to do anything. So by this formula the athlete who gets his school paid for is deemed more important. I have seen both sides of it as an athlete and parent paying for college and I don't agree with this. My son was a high honors grad with a 3.84 gpa and a 27 on his ACT and he could not get into UF let alone get scholarships but some athlete with a 2.0 and a 19 ACT gets a full ride and then we are going to give him $4,000 a year to spend? Yep, because he/she will generate revenue is the thoufht??? At certain major schools yes. But where do you draw the line. Is a poor player entitled at Alabama but not Alabama A&M? What about all the FCS schools and D2? Played with many players at Troy who worked all summer to pay for what their scholarship didn't cover.
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Post by Redwaver on Jan 22, 2015 15:36:16 GMT -6
I understand your point but I know poor kids now that are working two jobs to pay their way to community college plus taking on loans and don't have money to do anything. So by this formula the athlete who gets his school paid for is deemed more important. I have seen both sides of it as an athlete and parent paying for college and I don't agree with this. My son was a high honors grad with a 3.84 gpa and a 27 on his ACT and he could not get into UF let alone get scholarships but some athlete with a 2.0 and a 19 ACT gets a full ride and then we are going to give him $4,000 a year to spend? With those scores, how did your son not get "Florida Scholars" scholarship? Just a question not to be answered here!
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2015 19:42:10 GMT -6
He gets $1100 a semester bright futures. With Pre paid tuition and bright futures it doesn't cover all the fees let alone books and room and board.
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Post by Redwaver on Jan 22, 2015 19:56:17 GMT -6
He gets $1100 a semester bright futures. With Pre paid tuition and bright futures it doesn't cover all the fees let alone books and room and board. Oh, granted, it's not a full ride but unless it changed, it is a HUGE financial assist to all academically talented kids in Florida. Books at universities are a racket!!!!!!! There should be rules about professors requiring their own books and the idiotic prices they charge for them! Use to you vould buy used books but now.....heck they change every quarter and it looks like it to assure book income!
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Jan 23, 2015 5:14:34 GMT -6
He gets $1100 a semester bright futures. With Pre paid tuition and bright futures it doesn't cover all the fees let alone books and room and board. Oh, granted, it's not a full ride but unless it changed, it is a HUGE financial assist to all academically talented kids in Florida. Books at universities are a racket!!!!!!! There should be rules about professors requiring their own books and the idiotic prices they charge for them! Use to you vould buy used books but now.....heck they change every quarter and it looks like it to assure book income! Books are the BIGGEST SCAM. Daughter at UF, on Dance Team ($600 per sem ster), full bright futures, Florida Prepaid, Fl. Assoc of Realtors schoalorship, and We STILL are out about $4K per semester.. Paying athletes because they don't have time to work part time? Dance team practices OR performs 5-6 days a week during bball season. Considered an NCAA athlete, no time to work, no mention of HER sport athletes getting money. These may be the first step of the NEXT STEP by the POWER FIVE to move toward their own rules/organization.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 23, 2015 7:34:50 GMT -6
Oh, granted, it's not a full ride but unless it changed, it is a HUGE financial assist to all academically talented kids in Florida. Books at universities are a racket!!!!!!! There should be rules about professors requiring their own books and the idiotic prices they charge for them! Use to you vould buy used books but now.....heck they change every quarter and it looks like it to assure book income! Books are the BIGGEST SCAM. Daughter at UF, on Dance Team ($600 per sem ster), full bright futures, Florida Prepaid, Fl. Assoc of Realtors schoalorship, and We STILL are out about $4K per semester.. Paying athletes because they don't have time to work part time? Dance team practices OR performs 5-6 days a week during bball season. Considered an NCAA athlete, no time to work, no mention of HER sport athletes getting money. These may be the first step of the NEXT STEP by the POWER FIVE to move toward their own rules/organization. My sons books at UCF avg $1200 a semester . UCF only books and you have to buy access technology codes for each one. I agree about the power 5. You are going to have two levels of FBS football and possibly the lower tier FBS will combine with FCS?? Paying athletes is not right and most of these big stars at the power schools leave after their junior or sophomore year to make millions. Agree about your daughter. Mine is in the SOTS. She does work 8 hours a week but one day is Sunday and her boss is very understanding during football. Band puts in as much time as football does
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Jan 23, 2015 12:23:49 GMT -6
Cue a Band vs. Football argument in 5..4..3..2..1..
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Post by Troystet on Jan 23, 2015 13:31:54 GMT -6
Cue a Band vs. Football argument in 5..4..3..2..1.. How about athlete vs general student? That's what this was about
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Post by TrojanFanatic on Jan 27, 2015 10:13:07 GMT -6
I agree with the above. I was that poor student, I had a pell grant, worked, had scholarships and my parents still had to pay a lot out of pocket. The only thing that his is going to do is to hike tuition prices even higher for the general students to pay for the athletes. What about the students on scholarship that cannot afford to pay any more in tuition spikes? They're gone, simply because they can't afford it anymore. I'm not going to get into the band/cheer debate, because no one actually cares enough to fact check before they open their mouths about it.
FYI: Amazon is normally a lot cheaper on books than a college bookstore. There were only a few books that I couldn't find on there and I borrowed those when I was at Troy
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Post by Troystet on Jan 27, 2015 11:23:23 GMT -6
I agree with the above. I was that poor student, I had a pell grant, worked, had scholarships and my parents still had to pay a lot out of pocket. The only thing that his is going to do is to hike tuition prices even higher for the general students to pay for the athletes. What about the students on scholarship that cannot afford to pay any more in tuition spikes? They're gone, simply because they can't afford it anymore. I'm not going to get into the band/cheer debate, because no one actually cares enough to fact check before they open their mouths about it. FYI: Amazon is normally a lot cheaper on books than a college bookstore. There were only a few books that I couldn't find on there and I borrowed those when I was at Troy Well said. I have experienced college as a athlete who was on a full ride and as a parent paying for a child to attend. There is no way in Hades I will ever agree with or support giving athletes stipends. Who is going to pay it? The general students and their parents that's who. As far as books, my daughter at Troy has done a great job of finding friends who had the book. UCF is a different story. Every book is UCF only and they change every year and you have to buy access codes for everyone because most classes have more students than the classroom holds so you have to do a lot online. Such is a school of almost 70,000 students.
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