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Post by Troystet on Oct 19, 2014 5:32:34 GMT -6
Better look at this guy. HC at a SE Louisiana. Turned program around. #8 in the country. Succesful at Delta St. Before this. This guy wins and his offenses light up the scoreboard. He needs to be looked at.
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Post by crowhilltrojan on Oct 19, 2014 7:26:26 GMT -6
I think you spelled Steve Campbell wrong.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 19, 2014 7:32:30 GMT -6
I think you spelled Steve Campbell wrong. He beat Steve yesterday. I had never heard of him so I looked him up. Hrs going to get snatched ip by someone . Guy can coach. SE was horrible when he got there , 2 years turned them into #8 in the country
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Oct 19, 2014 7:48:02 GMT -6
NO FCS!! We need someone that can come in, assemble a DIVISION ONE STAFF, and go from there, IMMHO.
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 19, 2014 8:15:35 GMT -6
Well some on here thought Steve Campbell was the second coming of Nick Saban. If this guy beat Steve what does that make him?
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Post by crowhilltrojan on Oct 19, 2014 8:22:51 GMT -6
Well some on here thought Steve Campbell was the second coming of Nick Saban. If this guy beat Steve what does that make him? First?
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Post by trojanbrutha on Oct 19, 2014 8:38:20 GMT -6
Well some on here thought Steve Campbell was the second coming of Nick Saban. If this guy beat Steve what does that make him? Malzahn...?
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Post by Mr. Ho on Oct 19, 2014 9:19:50 GMT -6
Well some on here thought Steve Campbell was the second coming of Nick Saban. If this guy beat Steve what does that make him? Hemi, this is a perfect example of two worlds - those that came BLB and those that came ALB. Steve Campbell was a dominating center with TMTDM and from a personal stand point- an even better student and terrific person. There are some on this board troystet, myself and others that have had a personal connection with Steve. What makes him a Top Candidate is - he HAS won at every level he was coach at. He coached Delta State to a DII NC and MGCCC to a DI Juco National Championship. He knows Troy. Was part of a 30 year dominance. And dominance is not an understatement. 2 DII National Championships, 15 or more Conference Titles, 2 Semi-Final appearances in IAA and 5 Bowl games is a pretty strong resume for our program. Steve has a personal connection with Troy that would probably make him a long-term solution to what may become a routine issue - Head Coach turnover. Many point at ArkState as an example of why we shouldn't worry about that, but I assure you, they have been fortunate. They stunk for many years before Hugh Freezer and Gus Makzahn fell into their lap. Once they tank, they will fall back to ULM-status. Deep roots are hard to dig-up. So please keep this in mind. I think Steve might be too expensive for us - buying his contract out, paying him, paying LB and figuring out how to pay for upgrades. There are many of you all that only know a TMTDM with LB. Not a bad run for him - in fact, as pointed out in an earlier post, there may not be another football coach in this country that has had as big an impact on a University as LB has. What worries me more however, there is a small group of students that ONLY know us losing = the last 4 years. That's why I don't understand why we aren't brow-beating fans from the moment they walk into that stadium about ALL of our success. And putting up pictures on the video board is only a small part. My atrium idea could be used as a Troy Football museum and help with this.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 19, 2014 9:47:42 GMT -6
Well said. Everybody forgets LB was a FCS coach when we moved up to FBS. We couldn't beat most FCS teams this year. All this crap about we need SEC asst is a load of bull. LB would have had a different road had Gailey and Rhodes not set the tradition of champions at Troy
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Oct 19, 2014 13:00:38 GMT -6
Not seen much where we "need" an SEC Asst. I also agree that many don't remember many losing seasons, which tilts perspectives, no doubt. But NO MORE "tilted" than those that DO HAVE emotional ties with one coach or another because they played with them, or were friends/buddies, etc. None of which makes them more qualified than any other. BTW, those of us that ONLY have enjoyed WINNING, have ALL ENJOYED THAT at the DIVISION ONE LEVEL, not at the IAA OR II level that many here played on or remember more vividly.
My thoughts, as I have stated, who ever we hire should have HC experience, and at least a modicum of experience as a DI coach, with DI athletes and challenges. Many of which are different at DI vs DI-aa or DII.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 19, 2014 13:07:34 GMT -6
Not seen much where we "need" an SEC Asst. I also agree that many don't remember many losing seasons, which tilts perspectives, no doubt. But NO MORE "tilted" than those that DO HAVE emotional ties with one coach or another because they played with them, or were friends/buddies, etc. None of which makes them more qualified than any other. BTW, those of us that ONLY have enjoyed WINNING, have ALL ENJOYED THAT at the DIVISION ONE LEVEL, not at the IAA OR II level that many here played on or remember more vividly. My thoughts, as I have stated, who ever we hire should have HC experience, and at least a modicum of experience as a DI coach, with DI athletes and challenges. Many of which are different at DI vs DI-aa or DII. Not a difference in talent from a top notch FCS school to us, they just have less scholarships. We got beat by a FCS upstart and embarrasesd Sat by a team that was FCS last year. Give me a proven FCS coach , he is recruiting the same players we are for the most part
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Post by jerichojohnny on Oct 19, 2014 13:11:47 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm not taking a strong position on the coaching search, because, while I love the game, I don't follow personnel very closely. Granted I could name at least 30 HCs in college and probably about the same number of NFL guys, but not much deeper than that.
That said, Ho writes persuasively about most of the people he supports. The fact is, and we all know this, is that there's really no telling what's going to work. We could go for a HS coach and hit the next Malzahn or Freeze or we could bring in a SEC heavy hitter and do the same, or it could all blow up in our faces.
It does seem like the right FCS coach could be a good choice. And ties with TROY can't hurt if we think we can retain them for the long haul. Level of competition and gameplay might be different, but what's so different about practice, strategy, leadership of young men, and recruiting? Don't the same basic principles apply? A HS coach could work too, but I'd be less sure about that without a collegiate record to rely on. Also, that said, I'm not sure I'd be wanting us to go after that DIII guy in Wisconsin who just got the record for fastest to 100 wins in 7 years.
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Post by trojanempire on Oct 19, 2014 13:13:04 GMT -6
Not seen much where we "need" an SEC Asst. I also agree that many don't remember many losing seasons, which tilts perspectives, no doubt. But NO MORE "tilted" than those that DO HAVE emotional ties with one coach or another because they played with them, or were friends/buddies, etc. None of which makes them more qualified than any other. BTW, those of us that ONLY have enjoyed WINNING, have ALL ENJOYED THAT at the DIVISION ONE LEVEL, not at the IAA OR II level that many here played on or remember more vividly. My thoughts, as I have stated, who ever we hire should have HC experience, and at least How was SmackDowna modicum of experience as a DI coach, with DI athletes and challenges. Many of which are different at DI vs DI-aa or DII. I think that's why Campbell makes sense
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Oct 19, 2014 13:14:10 GMT -6
Not seen much where we "need" an SEC Asst. I also agree that many don't remember many losing seasons, which tilts perspectives, no doubt. But NO MORE "tilted" than those that DO HAVE emotional ties with one coach or another because they played with them, or were friends/buddies, etc. None of which makes them more qualified than any other. BTW, those of us that ONLY have enjoyed WINNING, have ALL ENJOYED THAT at the DIVISION ONE LEVEL, not at the IAA OR II level that many here played on or remember more vividly. My thoughts, as I have stated, who ever we hire should have HC experience, and at least a modicum of experience as a DI coach, with DI athletes and challenges. Many of which are different at DI vs DI-aa or DII. Not a difference in talent from a top notch FCS school to us, they just have less scholarships. We got best by a FCS upstart and embarrases Sat by a team that was FCS last year. Give me a proven FCS coach , he is recruiting the same players we are for the most part We will FOREVER disagree on this. They DO NOT HAVE the same requirements, academically or athletically. Can never get me to believe that we, TROY, battle for the same recruits as SE LA, Delta or Furman, or Tenn Martin or any other. Players go to DI- AA because they couldnt get to D-1. IF we are, then the change is LONGER OVERDUE than I thought, because we SHOULD NOT be going after kids that are not good enough (in coaches eyes, metric, whatever) to play D-1, sorry, just don't think that is true.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 19, 2014 13:15:04 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm not taking a strong position on the coaching search, because, while I love the game, I don't follow personnel very closely. Granted I could name at least 30 HCs in college and probably about the same number of NFL guys, but not much deeper than that. That said, Ho writes persuasively about most of the people he supports. The fact is, and we all know this, is that there's really no telling what's going to work. We could go for a HS coach and hit the next Malzahn or Freeze or we could bring in a SEC heavy hitter and do the same, or it could all blow up in our faces. It does seem like the right FCS coach could be a good choice. And ties with TROY can't hurt if we think we can retain them for the long haul. Level of competition and gameplay might be different, but what's so different about practice, strategy, leadership of young men, and recruiting? Don't the same basic principles apply? A HS coach could work too, but I'd be less sure about that without a collegiate record to rely on. Also, that said, I'm not sure I'd be wanting us to go after that DIII guy in Wisconsin who just got the record for fastest to 100 wins in 7 years. Doesn't have to have ties to Troy. Georgia Southern and LaLa did it and immediately righted the ship. Several FCS coaches could win big here if given the chance
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Post by Troystet on Oct 19, 2014 13:17:27 GMT -6
Not a difference in talent from a top notch FCS school to us, they just have less scholarships. We got best by a FCS upstart and embarrases Sat by a team that was FCS last year. Give me a proven FCS coach , he is recruiting the same players we are for the most part We will FOREVER disagree on this. They DO NOT HAVE the same requirements, academically or athletically. Can never get me to believe that we, TROY, battle for the same recruits as SE LA, Delta or Furman, or Tenn Martin or any other. Players go to DI- AA because they couldnt get to D-1. IF we are, then the change is LONGER OVERDUE than I thought, because we SHOULD NOT be going after kids that are not good enough (in coaches eyes, metric, whatever) to play D-1, sorry, just don't think that is true. What our academic standards? A 19 act and a 2.0 to be exact. Talent different. There are 20 plus FCS teams that would embarrass us, don't give me this talent crap
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Oct 19, 2014 13:17:56 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm not taking a strong position on the coaching search, because, while I love the game, I don't follow personnel very closely. Granted I could name at least 30 HCs in college and probably about the same number of NFL guys, but not much deeper than that. That said, Ho writes persuasively about most of the people he supports. The fact is, and we all know this, is that there's really no telling what's going to work. We could go for a HS coach and hit the next Malzahn or Freeze or we could bring in a SEC heavy hitter and do the same, or it could all blow up in our faces. It does seem like the right FCS coach could be a good choice. And ties with TROY can't hurt if we think we can retain them for the long haul. Level of competition and gameplay might be different, but what's so different about practice, strategy, leadership of young men, and recruiting? Don't the same basic principles apply? A HS coach could work too, but I'd be less sure about that without a collegiate record to rely on. Also, that said, I'm not sure I'd be wanting us to go after that DIII guy in Wisconsin who just got the record for fastest to 100 wins in 7 years. Doesn't have to have ties to Troy. Georgia Southern and LaLa did it and immediately righted the ship. Several FCS coaches could win big here if given the chance TRUE, VERY, VERY TRUE, but then again I think Bob Stoops would also be successful at Troy. Don't think we have a shot, but I think he could win at Troy.
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Oct 19, 2014 13:19:35 GMT -6
We will FOREVER disagree on this. They DO NOT HAVE the same requirements, academically or athletically. Can never get me to believe that we, TROY, battle for the same recruits as SE LA, Delta or Furman, or Tenn Martin or any other. Players go to DI- AA because they couldnt get to D-1. IF we are, then the change is LONGER OVERDUE than I thought, because we SHOULD NOT be going after kids that are not good enough (in coaches eyes, metric, whatever) to play D-1, sorry, just don't think that is true. What our academic standards? A 19 act and a 2.0 to be exact. Talent different. There are 20 plus FCS teams that would embarrass us, don't give me this talent crap BTW, the NCAA sits the minimum requirements, not the academic institution!! Just saying...
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Post by Troystet on Oct 19, 2014 13:21:23 GMT -6
Then get the FCS coach. He would love to make what that dinosaur we have now makes
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