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Post by cornhole on Oct 15, 2014 17:20:31 GMT -6
Don't worry...soon there'll be something else to find fault in...All Hail, The System! Message board survive on expert finding fault.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 15, 2014 17:42:46 GMT -6
Don't worry...soon there'll be something else to find fault in...All Hail, The System! Message board survive on expert finding fault. True,That's fans in general of any sports team in the world.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Oct 15, 2014 19:37:49 GMT -6
Don't worry...soon there'll be something else to find fault in...All Hail, The System! Message board survive on expert finding fault. The System I was referring to was Tony Franklin's System...sorry to disappoint...
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Post by cornhole on Oct 15, 2014 22:09:55 GMT -6
Message board survive on expert finding fault. The System I was referring to was Tony Franklin's System...sorry to disappoint... TF System >> Like. Present far from day of TF. Message board "system" far from fact most times. No harm in dissappoint.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Oct 16, 2014 7:36:58 GMT -6
I don't see this happening, but stranger things have happened, however I do agree depending on who the new coach is, the QB race will be wide open again, depending on who is left between the 4-5 we have. I think next year will be the beginning of a big rebuilding year and we will all have to be more patient than we want to be during this transition and season could go like this one next year. However I fully trust the A.D. to make a great hire, slowly but surly we will grow and win and get back to the bowl scene.
As far as Tidwell, I have one comment, I became a believer in him 3 years ago. My dad and I attended the Phoenix City Scrimmage, and he was impressive and that day, was better than Cory. I will end with this one statement, his throwing motion was different. He was an over the top perfect form thrower that day. Since then I have seen him limited and see that perfect throw at times, but see the other side where throwing has changed. Not sure the reason for this, unless to adjust the short bubble throws, but I have questioned the ability of our QB coach since the hire and we let (The HC we don’t speak of) get away. Just my ,.2 cents worth. At the end of the day I think 2 of them will be gone and possibly transferred. DP is our best chance, but has one big issue he cannot fix, Size. And that cannot be taught.
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Post by ScottyPotty on Oct 16, 2014 9:10:05 GMT -6
Does this look like an average throw? I have yet to see Silvers connect on one of these. Time after time either over-thrown or thrown short. espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9986396 Weeeeelllll. Maybe I should have said his passing is about average EXCEPT for one pass at Ole Miss! My observation is based on ALL his playing time that I have seen, not one pass. But he hasn't played much and I wonder why if your observations are correct. I will give you the fact that Silvers has not shown much accuracy down field deep and that bothers me. Frankly I am concerned at our entire QB group when it comes to the passing game but their running is much improved over last year with Cory. If we are going to stay with the spread then someone needs to step up. I believe the spread requires a mobile QB and I just don't see #11 bringing that to the table right now. For some reason, we seem to have decided that our passing game will be swing passes and bubble screens. Who knows, the new coach may look for his QB. Dallas's career stats: 14/20 (70%), 148 yards, 2 TDs. His stats and your observations don't match up. Silvers only has 3 more TDs than Dallas and he's thrown the ball 136 times. Plus one of those TDs was that little flip to Chandler in last weeks game. Yes, they count that as a pass on the stat sheet. I cant agree with you on the QB running game improving. Silvers is better than Corey running, i'll give you that, but did you forget about Deon. Silvers has 145 yards on the ground in 6 games. Deon had 115 in 1 game. Even though Silvers is faster than Corey he still looks like he's running in slow motion compared to the defense. He ran the ball 20 times for 70 yards against New Mexico State...not exactly a highlight reel. As I stated before though, I am not saying that Dallas will be the starter next year, but I would not be surprised if he is. It was stated that this year's battle was really close between Silvers, Pruitt, and Tidwell.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 16, 2014 10:29:33 GMT -6
Yes but 130 of those passes were bubble screens so it's hard to throw a TD on those. Dallas stats are in mop up duty against the 4th team, little different than going against the starters. Your not comparing apples to oranges. The only way Tidwell starts next year is in a pro style offense and if we run that it won't matter who QB's, we don't have the personnel for that.
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 16, 2014 10:56:14 GMT -6
Yes but 130 of those passes were bubble screens so it's hard to throw a TD on those. Dallas stats are in mop up duty against the 4th team, little different than going against the starters. Your not comparing apples to oranges. The only way Tidwell starts next year is in a pro style offense and if we run that it won't matter who QB's, we don't have the personnel for that. Exactly right!
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Post by Redwaver on Oct 16, 2014 13:34:43 GMT -6
Weeeeelllll. Maybe I should have said his passing is about average EXCEPT for one pass at Ole Miss! My observation is based on ALL his playing time that I have seen, not one pass. But he hasn't played much and I wonder why if your observations are correct. I will give you the fact that Silvers has not shown much accuracy down field deep and that bothers me. Frankly I am concerned at our entire QB group when it comes to the passing game but their running is much improved over last year with Cory. If we are going to stay with the spread then someone needs to step up. I believe the spread requires a mobile QB and I just don't see #11 bringing that to the table right now. For some reason, we seem to have decided that our passing game will be swing passes and bubble screens. Who knows, the new coach may look for his QB. Dallas's career stats: 14/20 (70%), 148 yards, 2 TDs. His stats and your observations don't match up. Silvers only has 3 more TDs than Dallas and he's thrown the ball 136 times. Plus one of those TDs was that little flip to Chandler in last weeks game. Yes, they count that as a pass on the stat sheet. I cant agree with you on the QB running game improving. Silvers is better than Corey running, i'll give you that, but did you forget about Deon. Silvers has 145 yards on the ground in 6 games. Deon had 115 in 1 game. Even though Silvers is faster than Corey he still looks like he's running in slow motion compared to the defense. He ran the ball 20 times for 70 yards against New Mexico State...not exactly a highlight reel. As I stated before though, I am not saying that Dallas will be the starter next year, but I would not be surprised if he is. It was stated that this year's battle was really close between Silvers, Pruitt, and Tidwell. [ ".........but their (our current QB) is much better over last year WITH CORY"! Didn't mention Deon. Most of the passes you show Tidwell completing is short screens passes, etc thrown when the game was out of reach as well and "Silvers ran 20 times for 70 yards!" That's 3.5 yards per carry. You are telling me you don't think that's acceptable? Let's see, that's a first down every 3 times he runs the ball. Give me that and I win....every time. Of course that's hypothetical and not feasible but Cory basically never ran, he got sacked. At least Silvers is attempting to run when it is needed. Is he the best running QB we have? That's the reason I wondered why Pruitt didn't play because he brings more to the table on designed runs than any of the others and his arm is acceptable. Heck, it's all guess work right now. Who knows, next years QB may not be at Troy right now. It's just interesting to consider possibilities and discuss various views. If we are going to be competitive again we have to step up in several areas. All our thoughts here are just that....thoughts, no more, no less.
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Post by ScottyPotty on Oct 16, 2014 15:13:37 GMT -6
Yes but 130 of those passes were bubble screens so it's hard to throw a TD on those. Dallas stats are in mop up duty against the 4th team, little different than going against the starters. Your not comparing apples to oranges. The only way Tidwell starts next year is in a pro style offense and if we run that it won't matter who QB's, we don't have the personnel for that. Cause Silvers hasn't been good enough to connect on anything other than bubble screens. You just made my point. Thanks!
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Post by Troystet on Oct 16, 2014 15:43:30 GMT -6
Yes but 130 of those passes were bubble screens so it's hard to throw a TD on those. Dallas stats are in mop up duty against the 4th team, little different than going against the starters. Your not comparing apples to oranges. The only way Tidwell starts next year is in a pro style offense and if we run that it won't matter who QB's, we don't have the personnel for that. Cause Silvers hasn't been good enough to connect on anything other than bubble screens. You just made my point. Thanks! You connect on the passes called. If Tidwell was better he would have won the job. New coach or not he is not better than Silvers, that is why Silvers starts.
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Post by Redwaver on Oct 16, 2014 16:08:23 GMT -6
Cause Silvers hasn't been good enough to connect on anything other than bubble screens. You just made my point. Thanks! You connect on the passes called. If Tidwell was better he would have won the job. New coach or not he is not better than Silvers, that is why Silvers starts. Thank you, you just made MY point!:-)
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Post by ScottyPotty on Oct 16, 2014 16:08:56 GMT -6
Cause Silvers hasn't been good enough to connect on anything other than bubble screens. You just made my point. Thanks! You connect on the passes called. If Tidwell was better he would have won the job. New coach or not he is not better than Silvers, that is why Silvers starts. Edenfield calls those passes because its safer than having Silvers throw it down the field. Your opinion is that Silvers is better than Tidwell. I'll leave that up to the new coach to decide. That's if Dallas doesn't transfer, which is a big possibility.
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 16, 2014 16:24:51 GMT -6
You connect on the passes called. If Tidwell was better he would have won the job. New coach or not he is not better than Silvers, that is why Silvers starts. Edenfield calls those passes because its safer than having Silvers throw it down the field. Your opinion is that Silvers is better than Tidwell. I'll leave that up to the new coach to decide. That's if Dallas doesn't transfer, which is a big possibility. Apparently coach Edenfield thinks Silvers is better as well.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Oct 17, 2014 7:28:26 GMT -6
Not really worth the argument, in 2 months, lots will change for lots of people and players. Time will tell. Lets deal with this season. All QB on scholarship for some reason and less than 10% high school athletes get there, so they have all done more than most of us will ever do, along with all scholarship players. Let time take care of this one, and remember, you never know where any of these players end up and the impact they will make one day as coaches, next level players, business world, etc.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 17, 2014 7:50:28 GMT -6
At 0-5 do you really think the coaches would stick with a qb they didn't think should start. Further more he is debating that Tidwell should start over Silvers, did you forget about Pruitt?? Tidwell is 3rd string.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Oct 17, 2014 7:58:43 GMT -6
At 0-5 do you really think the coaches would stick with a qb they didn't think should start. Further more he is debating that Tidwell should start over Silvers, did you forget about Pruitt?? Tidwell is 3rd string. My point exactly, why waste discussion on this season. Silvers earned the spot, people will disagree /agree, etc. Pruitt, Tidwell, etc. are not the starter, ignore, will see what next year holds when it happens, for this year, is a done deal, IMO win or lose.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Oct 17, 2014 8:01:14 GMT -6
If I were a coach that was working on my resume', I'd be looking for Ws first, showcase my playbook 2nd, and play enough guys to prove my scheme was viable at this level. Us fans may not like it, but the Ws come first. The QB competition for 2015 is irrelevant today...getting to 7 is the best resume' filler I can think of right now.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 17, 2014 11:52:00 GMT -6
If I were a coach that was working on my resume', I'd be looking for Ws first, showcase my playbook 2nd, and play enough guys to prove my scheme was viable at this level. Us fans may not like it, but the Ws come first. The QB competition for 2015 is irrelevant today...getting to 7 is the best resume' filler I can think of right now. Exactly right
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Post by ScottyPotty on Oct 17, 2014 13:56:39 GMT -6
Edenfield calls those passes because its safer than having Silvers throw it down the field. Your opinion is that Silvers is better than Tidwell. I'll leave that up to the new coach to decide. That's if Dallas doesn't transfer, which is a big possibility. Apparently coach Edenfield thinks Silvers is better as well. Yeah he has great judgement, just look at his play calling. Let me remind you we're 1-5.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 17, 2014 14:01:01 GMT -6
Are you Mr. Tidwell?? homershake smiley-laughing001 Fact was It was Tidwell's job to lose. He didn't play well enough in the spring or fall to win the job or the back up job. The way this offense operates is not made for a 6"7 qb with no speed. Great kid and leader but he didn't win the job. OC, QB coach and LB thought so to. Time to drop it sFun_DeadHorse
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Post by ScottyPotty on Oct 17, 2014 14:03:57 GMT -6
At 0-5 do you really think the coaches would stick with a qb they didn't think should start. Further more he is debating that Tidwell should start over Silvers, did you forget about Pruitt?? Tidwell is 3rd string. They didn't think Levi Brown should've started and we saw what happened there. Nope, hadn't forgot about Pruitt. One more year in the system and he may be the top guy, which is the point I was trying to make. Anybody could be the starter next year with a new staff.
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 17, 2014 14:04:26 GMT -6
Apparently coach Edenfield thinks Silvers is better as well. Yeah he has great judgement, just look at his play calling. Let me remind you we're 1-5. KE wins as an offensive coordinator? PottyScotty wins as an offensive coordinator?
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Post by ScottyPotty on Oct 17, 2014 14:09:23 GMT -6
Yeah he has great judgement, just look at his play calling. Let me remind you we're 1-5. KE wins as an offensive coordinator? PottyScotty wins as an offensive coordinator? Again, we're 1-5.
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Post by ScottyPotty on Oct 17, 2014 14:11:20 GMT -6
Are you Mr. Tidwell?? homershake smiley-laughing001 Fact was It was Tidwell's job to lose. He didn't play well enough in the spring or fall to win the job or the back up job. The way this offense operates is not made for a 6"7 qb with no speed. Great kid and leader but he didn't win the job. OC, QB coach and LB thought so to. Time to drop it sFun_DeadHorse Are you Silver's girlfriend?
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