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Post by troyalumni2003 on Sept 29, 2014 7:46:52 GMT -6
1. We have to 2. They are probably worse than us 3. We have to 4. Looked a little better Saturday 5. We have to 6. Maybe defense can finish and win for us since offense cannot 7. We have to 8. There is no way we will sit back and allow ourselves to go 0-12, that is very hard to do
We looked much better defensively. Guys appeared to play with a lot of heart and drive like we have not seen this year. Offensively, we cannot finish. Going for 2 was smart , however having your QB run it in, if that was the called play or his decision, was STUPID and the running of a QB unless you are Newton, Manzell or Tebow, should be used sparingly. Even Deon knew he could not rely on that to win games last year. Either way, I see us winning 2-3 games this year only and that is being positive. However, off week, rest, hopefully a good thing. It will be for us fans and keyboard coaches. I see us winning Homecoming though for sure. Who knows maybe 1 win, is all it will take to start some change and finish with a few wins. Then come December maybe real change in the program will happen.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 29, 2014 7:51:23 GMT -6
They are bad but not horrible. They are better than ACU I would think. The only really bad team I see left is The Potato boys.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 29, 2014 10:31:45 GMT -6
Every week our season becomes more of a disaster. Yes we could win all of our remaining games and go to a bowl game but I don't think that is probable. Winning against New Mexico State doesn't mean anything because the feeling we have had in the past that we could beat anyone we play is gone. I remember going to LSU, FSU, and UF expecting to win and we almost did. We are supposed to feel disappointment when we lose a game like that because it was possible we would win it. Now I feel like we are going to lose no matter who we play. Losing to ACU was completely unacceptable. Enough is enough. Our current program is in need of an overhaul. I'll admit I don't have any solution to get us back to winning, but based on our performance over the last few years, our current staff doesn't know either. Other programs have changed coaching staffs for less.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 29, 2014 10:40:16 GMT -6
Every week our season becomes more of a disaster. Yes we could win all of our remaining games and go to a bowl game but I don't think that is probable. Winning against New Mexico State doesn't mean anything because the feeling we have had in the past that we could beat anyone we play is gone. I remember going to LSU, FSU, and UF expecting to win and we almost did. We are supposed to feel disappointment when we lose a game like that because it was possible we would win it. Now I feel like we are going to lose no matter who we play. Losing to ACU was completely unacceptable. Enough is enough. Our current program is in need of an overhaul. I'll admit I don't have any solution to get us back to winning, but based on our performance over the last few years, our current staff doesn't know either. Other programs have changed coaching staffs for less. Ok, say we clean house today, what do you do after that? Where do you go from there? Who's going to step into a DII building and right the ship over a bye week?
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 29, 2014 10:50:01 GMT -6
Every week our season becomes more of a disaster. Yes we could win all of our remaining games and go to a bowl game but I don't think that is probable. Winning against New Mexico State doesn't mean anything because the feeling we have had in the past that we could beat anyone we play is gone. I remember going to LSU, FSU, and UF expecting to win and we almost did. We are supposed to feel disappointment when we lose a game like that because it was possible we would win it. Now I feel like we are going to lose no matter who we play. Losing to ACU was completely unacceptable. Enough is enough. Our current program is in need of an overhaul. I'll admit I don't have any solution to get us back to winning, but based on our performance over the last few years, our current staff doesn't know either. Other programs have changed coaching staffs for less. Ok, say we clean house today, what do you do after that? Where do you go from there? Who's going to step into a DII building and right the ship over a bye week? We aren't going to save this season with a change mid season. That being said, a change needs to be made at least at the end of the season. Our facilities are what they are and are in my opinion better than they have been when we were a winning team. It's evident that we could do better in all areas including facilities but the first step in my opinion is to begin a new coaching era. I like Ho's idea of hiring Ogereon. I'd even take Chizic at this point.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 29, 2014 10:58:20 GMT -6
Ok, say we clean house today, what do you do after that? Where do you go from there? Who's going to step into a DII building and right the ship over a bye week? We aren't going to save this season with a change mid season. That being said, a change needs to be made at least at the end of the season. Our facilities are what they are and are in my opinion better than they have been when we were a winning team. It's evident that we could do better in all areas including facilities but the first step in my opinion is to begin a new coaching era. I like Ho's idea of hiring Ogereon. I'd even take Chizic at this point. I think we have differing opinions as to what "facilities" are. When I speak of facilities, I'm referring to offices, locker rooms, player lounges...thing that even HS have now-a-days. We do not have FB$ facilities for football. Baseball, yes. Basketball, yes. Softball, yes...Soccer, yes. Adding a new video board and ribbons is very nice, but that's only going to help so much. If you were a coach, would that distract you from the fact that your office was in a cinder-block building? In 2014?
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 29, 2014 11:21:18 GMT -6
We aren't going to save this season with a change mid season. That being said, a change needs to be made at least at the end of the season. Our facilities are what they are and are in my opinion better than they have been when we were a winning team. It's evident that we could do better in all areas including facilities but the first step in my opinion is to begin a new coaching era. I like Ho's idea of hiring Ogereon. I'd even take Chizic at this point. I think we have differing opinions as to what "facilities" are. When I speak of facilities, I'm referring to offices, locker rooms, player lounges...thing that even HS have now-a-days. We do not have FB$ facilities for football. Baseball, yes. Basketball, yes. Softball, yes...Soccer, yes. Adding a new video board and ribbons is very nice, but that's only going to help so much. If you were a coach, would that distract you from the fact that your office was in a cinder-block building? In 2014? That's the key and that's what I think everyone misses. You spend at most 6 days inside of VMS. The rest of your time, whether it's player or coach is spent in Tine Davis field house.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 29, 2014 11:30:05 GMT -6
We don't lift weights anymore??? But you are correct for the most part on the time spent in the field house
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 29, 2014 11:31:17 GMT -6
We aren't going to save this season with a change mid season. That being said, a change needs to be made at least at the end of the season. Our facilities are what they are and are in my opinion better than they have been when we were a winning team. It's evident that we could do better in all areas including facilities but the first step in my opinion is to begin a new coaching era. I like Ho's idea of hiring Ogereon. I'd even take Chizic at this point. I think we have differing opinions as to what "facilities" are. When I speak of facilities, I'm referring to offices, locker rooms, player lounges...thing that even HS have now-a-days. We do not have FB$ facilities for football. Baseball, yes. Basketball, yes. Softball, yes...Soccer, yes. Adding a new video board and ribbons is very nice, but that's only going to help so much. If you were a coach, would that distract you from the fact that your office was in a cinder-block building? In 2014? Trojanbrutha, yes the field house just plain sucks. It is unacceptable, everyone agrees with this. Besides encouraging donations and embarking on a fundraising campaign, what would you do specifically to turnaround the program for next year? I would think everyone believes the current course is unacceptable.
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Post by preachertoo on Sept 29, 2014 11:46:43 GMT -6
We aren't going to save this season with a change mid season. That being said, a change needs to be made at least at the end of the season. Our facilities are what they are and are in my opinion better than they have been when we were a winning team. It's evident that we could do better in all areas including facilities but the first step in my opinion is to begin a new coaching era. I like Ho's idea of hiring Ogereon. I'd even take Chizic at this point. I think we have differing opinions as to what "facilities" are. When I speak of facilities, I'm referring to offices, locker rooms, player lounges...thing that even HS have now-a-days. We do not have FB$ facilities for football. Baseball, yes. Basketball, yes. Softball, yes...Soccer, yes. Adding a new video board and ribbons is very nice, but that's only going to help so much. If you were a coach, would that distract you from the fact that your office was in a cinder-block building? In 2014? No. There will be coaches chomping at the bit to come and coach this once an announcement is made. Why wouldnt they want to come here. We have tradition of winning. We want to win big and dominate our league. If they are competetive why wouldnt they come here. They have nowhere but up to go. The talent is there to win. Develop players. Have a disciplined team on and off the field. Things will take care of themselves. We need facility upgrades but that is not the #1 problem. It's not the #2 problem. It's #3. One, a coaching staff that can get their jobs done. Two, is developing of talent and a disciplined team. See #1. Three, is the physical needs for the program. We have been trying to push this train backwards for too long. Take care of #1 the rest will happen. We can't change midseason. But we can announce the change is coming. We can be searching. This is probably already happening.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 29, 2014 11:58:56 GMT -6
I think we have differing opinions as to what "facilities" are. When I speak of facilities, I'm referring to offices, locker rooms, player lounges...thing that even HS have now-a-days. We do not have FB$ facilities for football. Baseball, yes. Basketball, yes. Softball, yes...Soccer, yes. Adding a new video board and ribbons is very nice, but that's only going to help so much. If you were a coach, would that distract you from the fact that your office was in a cinder-block building? In 2014? No. There will be coaches chomping at the bit to come and coach this once an announcement is made. Why wouldnt they want to come here. We have tradition of winning. We want to win big and dominate our league. If they are competetive why wouldnt they come here. They have nowhere but up to go. The talent is there to win. Develop players. Have a disciplined team on and off the field. Things will take care of themselves. We need facility upgrades but that is not the #1 problem. It's not the #2 problem. It's #3. One, a coaching staff that can get their jobs done. Two, is developing of talent and a disciplined team. See #1. Three, is the physical needs for the program. We have been trying to push this train backwards for too long. Take care of #1 the rest will happen. We can't change midseason. But we can announce the change is coming. We can be searching. This is probably already happening. There will most certainly be interest in the job. Tradition does not score touchdowns, make tackles, or block. You aren't a coach, you aren't a player. You are a donor I assume. You can't coach players. You can't develop talent. You can make catches. You can't tackle. You can support the team with more than just empty and idle words. You can trust in our AD to make the right decisions. My priority #1 is facilities because I can donate and help to find those facilities along with the daily operation of Troy Athletics. I can't hire, fire, or play. By the way. Your older friends were happy with just dominating the conference. Why are you willing to settle for that now?
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Sept 29, 2014 12:05:27 GMT -6
No. There will be coaches chomping at the bit to come and coach this once an announcement is made. Why wouldnt they want to come here. We have tradition of winning. We want to win big and dominate our league. If they are competetive why wouldnt they come here. They have nowhere but up to go. The talent is there to win. Develop players. Have a disciplined team on and off the field. Things will take care of themselves. We need facility upgrades but that is not the #1 problem. It's not the #2 problem. It's #3. One, a coaching staff that can get their jobs done. Two, is developing of talent and a disciplined team. See #1. Three, is the physical needs for the program. We have been trying to push this train backwards for too long. Take care of #1 the rest will happen. We can't change midseason. But we can announce the change is coming. We can be searching. This is probably already happening. There will most certainly be interest in the job. Tradition does not score touchdowns, make tackles, or block. You aren't a coach, you aren't a player. You are a donor I assume. You can't coach players. You can't develop talent. You can make catches. You can't tackle. You can support the team with more than just empty and idle words. You can trust in our AD to make the right decisions. My priority #1 is facilities because I can donate and help to find those facilities along with the daily operation of Troy Athletics. I can't hire, fire, or play. By the way. Your older friends were happy with just dominating the conference. Why are you willing to settle for that now? I think we all agree for the most part we need upgrades for our football program. I do understand we need everyday middle class people to donate but we also need some big time donors to come forward. With that being said, I do not believe with the state of our program there is a #1 and a #2. Maybe more like 1A. Move dirt( not just hang pictures of future buildings) when money comes and 1B. New Coaches in every position once season is over. I understand your support for Troy football, but you cannot tell me you think this staff needs to stay? And admitting that does not mean you do not love Troy football or Troy athletics, it means in the business world and this is a business, Wins and Loss get you jobs and cost you jobs eventually.
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Post by preachertoo on Sept 29, 2014 12:07:30 GMT -6
No. There will be coaches chomping at the bit to come and coach this once an announcement is made. Why wouldnt they want to come here. We have tradition of winning. We want to win big and dominate our league. If they are competetive why wouldnt they come here. They have nowhere but up to go. The talent is there to win. Develop players. Have a disciplined team on and off the field. Things will take care of themselves. We need facility upgrades but that is not the #1 problem. It's not the #2 problem. It's #3. One, a coaching staff that can get their jobs done. Two, is developing of talent and a disciplined team. See #1. Three, is the physical needs for the program. We have been trying to push this train backwards for too long. Take care of #1 the rest will happen. We can't change midseason. But we can announce the change is coming. We can be searching. This is probably already happening. There will most certainly be interest in the job. Tradition does not score touchdowns, make tackles, or block. You aren't a coach, you aren't a player. You are a donor I assume. You can't coach players. You can't develop talent. You can make catches. You can't tackle. You can support the team with more than just empty and idle words. You can trust in our AD to make the right decisions. My priority #1 is facilities because I can donate and help to find those facilities along with the daily operation of Troy Athletics. I can't hire, fire, or play. By the way. Your older friends were happy with just dominating the conference. Why are you willing to settle for that now? I said win big. Should have said win big games and dominate conference. No donors can't hire or fire but they can point the direction. They can and will support leadership they want. It's how it works.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 29, 2014 12:19:36 GMT -6
There will most certainly be interest in the job. Tradition does not score touchdowns, make tackles, or block. You aren't a coach, you aren't a player. You are a donor I assume. You can't coach players. You can't develop talent. You can make catches. You can't tackle. You can support the team with more than just empty and idle words. You can trust in our AD to make the right decisions. My priority #1 is facilities because I can donate and help to find those facilities along with the daily operation of Troy Athletics. I can't hire, fire, or play. By the way. Your older friends were happy with just dominating the conference. Why are you willing to settle for that now? I said win big. Should have said win big games and dominate conference. No donors can't hire or fire but they can point the direction. They can and will support leadership they want. It's how it works. Big $$$$$$ donors. Yes.
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Post by preachertoo on Sept 29, 2014 12:45:20 GMT -6
I said win big. Should have said win big games and dominate conference. No donors can't hire or fire but they can point the direction. They can and will support leadership they want. It's how it works. Big $$$$$$ donors. Yes. Exactly! I am far from being one. But what I have said is what I have seen happen as to why no love has been given to football. And even brutha listed all the other facilities that are up to par. Just thought I would share.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 29, 2014 12:49:32 GMT -6
Exactly! I am far from being one. But what I have said is what I have seen happen as to why no love has been given to football. And even brutha listed all the other facilities that are up to par. Just thought I would share. Football is a $25-40 million project. Softball, golf, and soccer/ track combined are maybe $5 million. Takes longer to raise a higher amount of money. Simple math to me.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Sept 29, 2014 12:54:22 GMT -6
Exactly! I am far from being one. But what I have said is what I have seen happen as to why no love has been given to football. And even brutha listed all the other facilities that are up to par. Just thought I would share. Football is a $25-40 million project. Softball, golf, and soccer/ track combined are maybe $5 million. Takes longer to raise a higher amount of money. Simple math to me. I tend to drop and not argue on this forum to often, but since your giving it to Preacher, going to call you out and say, why ignore my question about why it cannot be 1A needed along with a 1B? And since you keep bringing up money, and its a simple math, so is winning and losing. So ignore my question on this but facts are facts. We need both, to move dirt and new staff, period. And need both quickly, or there will be no need to move any dirt.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 29, 2014 13:48:05 GMT -6
Football is a $25-40 million project. Softball, golf, and soccer/ track combined are maybe $5 million. Takes longer to raise a higher amount of money. Simple math to me. I tend to drop and not argue on this forum to often, but since your giving it to Preacher, going to call you out and say, why ignore my question about why it cannot be 1A needed along with a 1B? And since you keep bringing up money, and its a simple math, so is winning and losing. So ignore my question on this but facts are facts. We need both, to move dirt and new staff, period. And need both quickly, or there will be no need to move any dirt. Why would I make my number 1 priority something I have absolutely no control over? John Hartwell doesn't need me to reorganize my priorities to do his job. He is the man that makes the decision and I fully support his ability to do just that. I fully expect changes to happen at the end of the year. I have no control over them so I'm not crying over them. I'm also not threatening to stop going and donating whether there are wholesale changes or not.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 29, 2014 13:56:14 GMT -6
I tend to drop and not argue on this forum to often, but since your giving it to Preacher, going to call you out and say, why ignore my question about why it cannot be 1A needed along with a 1B? And since you keep bringing up money, and its a simple math, so is winning and losing. So ignore my question on this but facts are facts. We need both, to move dirt and new staff, period. And need both quickly, or there will be no need to move any dirt. Why would I make my number 1 priority something I have absolutely no control over? John Hartwell doesn't need me to reorganize my priorities to do his job. He is the man that makes the decision and I fully support his ability to do just that. I fully expect changes to happen at the end of the year. I have no control over them so I'm not crying over them. I'm also not threatening to stop going and donating whether there are wholesale changes or not. Supporters, donors, season ticket holders, university administration, advertisers and fans have direct influence on John Hartwell. So it is in every program across the country. It think otherwise is naive and inaccurate. Supporters, donors, season ticket holders, university administration, advertisers and fans demand change every year in some sort of fashion and the AD listens.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Sept 29, 2014 13:57:18 GMT -6
I tend to drop and not argue on this forum to often, but since your giving it to Preacher, going to call you out and say, why ignore my question about why it cannot be 1A needed along with a 1B? And since you keep bringing up money, and its a simple math, so is winning and losing. So ignore my question on this but facts are facts. We need both, to move dirt and new staff, period. And need both quickly, or there will be no need to move any dirt. Why would I make my number 1 priority something I have absolutely no control over? John Hartwell doesn't need me to reorganize my priorities to do his job. He is the man that makes the decision and I fully support his ability to do just that. I fully expect changes to happen at the end of the year. I have no control over them so I'm not crying over them. I'm also not threatening to stop going and donating whether there are wholesale changes or not. I never said # 1. that. If you see my several comments on this, you and whomever battle, facility first vs. coaching changes, I say you have to do both at the same time. No I am sure Mr. Hartwell does not need you nor anyone to do his job, but I do think you may hurt the fund raising efforts by coming out closed minded to the others on this board, and come out as though you are the only one on the board donating. I think several of us invested thousands of dollars in that university with an education and paid tuition for 4-7 years, depending on how long you attended, so we have opinions that are worth not shutting down and then when called out on it, pull the Hartwell card. Last time I checked his other job is to fund raise too, and you don't mind doing that part of his job on here. Will end with this, love your passion for this university, but we all have passion for it too, and just because we don't agree does not make us wrong.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 29, 2014 13:58:28 GMT -6
Why would I make my number 1 priority something I have absolutely no control over? John Hartwell doesn't need me to reorganize my priorities to do his job. He is the man that makes the decision and I fully support his ability to do just that. I fully expect changes to happen at the end of the year. I have no control over them so I'm not crying over them. I'm also not threatening to stop going and donating whether there are wholesale changes or not. I never said # 1. that. If you see my several comments on this, you and whomever battle, facility first vs. coaching changes, I say you have to do both at the same time. No I am sure Mr. Hartwell does not need you nor anyone to do his job, but I do think you may hurt the fund raising efforts by coming out closed minded on the others on this board, and come out as though you are the only one on the board donating. I think several of us invested thousands of dollars in that university with an education and paid tuition for 4-7 years, depending on how long you attended, so we have opinions that are worth not shutting down and then when called out on it, pull the Hartwell card. Last time I checked his other job is to fund raise too, and you don't mind doing that part of his job on here. Will end with this, love your passion for this university, but we all have passion for it too, and just because we don't agree does not make us wrong. amen
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 29, 2014 16:53:40 GMT -6
Why would I make my number 1 priority something I have absolutely no control over? John Hartwell doesn't need me to reorganize my priorities to do his job. He is the man that makes the decision and I fully support his ability to do just that. I fully expect changes to happen at the end of the year. I have no control over them so I'm not crying over them. I'm also not threatening to stop going and donating whether there are wholesale changes or not. I never said # 1. that. If you see my several comments on this, you and whomever battle, facility first vs. coaching changes, I say you have to do both at the same time. No I am sure Mr. Hartwell does not need you nor anyone to do his job, but I do think you may hurt the fund raising efforts by coming out closed minded to the others on this board, and come out as though you are the only one on the board donating. I think several of us invested thousands of dollars in that university with an education and paid tuition for 4-7 years, depending on how long you attended, so we have opinions that are worth not shutting down and then when called out on it, pull the Hartwell card. Last time I checked his other job is to fund raise too, and you don't mind doing that part of his job on here. Will end with this, love your passion for this university, but we all have passion for it too, and just because we don't agree does not make us wrong. In 4-7 years of college you failed to learn how to use a quote function and your reading comprehension is terrible. If it makes you mad that I encourage people on free message board to support the university we all love you can always leave.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 29, 2014 17:13:45 GMT -6
In 4-7 years of college you failed to learn how to use a quote function and your reading comprehension is terrible. If it makes you mad that I encourage people on free message board to support the university we all love you can always leave. Blasting someone's Troy University education because of a mistake on a message board ...not cool.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 29, 2014 17:17:08 GMT -6
It is too early in the week to be closing threads...back on track, please.
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Post by cornhole on Sept 29, 2014 17:20:58 GMT -6
It is too early in the week to be closing threads...back on track, please. Garbage is garbage, regardless of the day of the week IMO. ~~~~ + ~~~~ But, we WILL beat New Mex State because we HAVE to. GO TROJANS!
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