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Post by Possum on Nov 19, 2022 22:28:23 GMT -6
After changing the fan fair and turning our band into one of the worst in the state, he needs to go. When Jax State has a better band, changes need to be made.
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Post by The Cardinal Rule on Nov 20, 2022 18:38:01 GMT -6
After changing the fan fair and turning our band into one of the worst in the state, he needs to go. When Jax State has a better band, changes need to be made. Won't happen. Troy would actually have to care about the band and tradition for that to happen and as you can tell they don't.
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Post by fltrojan on Nov 21, 2022 9:33:39 GMT -6
My wife even commented about how small the SOTS is this year. Truly sad that this proud tradition is going down the toilet
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Post by Grant on Nov 21, 2022 10:47:15 GMT -6
I generally avoid posts like these, so as to not stir up any trouble, but I'll try my best to be civil on this one.
Dr. Walker is an amazing band director. He's been here for more than 20 years and in that time, he's managed to keep the status of our bands and our music program as one of the best in the state. Have you seen the symphony band lately? There's a good argument to be made that it IS the best in the state, even above Alabama and Auburn. For a university our size and in our location, it's truly a feat that year after year, we continue to bring in excellent musicians and continue to push the boundaries for symphony band. Each year, our high school honor band brings in around 800 kids who want to come here. Not many universities, especially those of our size, can say that.
On marching band size: Our size hasn't changed much. In fact, it's gone up significantly from last year. We have around 330 total, with our pre-covid average being around 350. In the band world, that's not too big of a difference. We were given an extra section in 2021 by athletics, so it may appear that we're smaller because we're not as packed-like-sardines as we used to be.
On the fanfare and dixie: I'm one of the <50 people who have conducted the fanfare. Ever. Dr. Walker never has, the assistant DMs never have. I can speak on behalf of the last 5 head drum majors when I say that sometimes there are things that are more important than tradition. The decision to change the fanfare and to remove dixie went way above Dr. Walker's head. Your opinions can be what they are, but I believe that in the grand scheme of things, what matters most is the public perception of the University and of the band program. Keeping the old fanfare and keeping dixie would have caused more problems to how people see our university than good.
On JSU's band: They're good. They're really good. Take what I said about having a small university and still managing a huge marching band and multiply it by 50. They were awarded the Sudler Trophy and they truly deserve it. However, the thing to keep in mind about JSU's band vs SOTS is the styles. JSU's shows are competition-style, they're incredibly difficult, and their only intention is to recruit more people to join their 500 member band. If you want to keep tradition in mind, that's not how SOTS is, and it's not how SOTS was in the "good 'ol days." Our style, and our goal, is to be loud and to be entertaining to more than just high schoolers. Whether we are or not is subjective, but comparing SOTS and JSU's band is hard to do just because of how much we differ. If you want us to be "better" than JSU's band, you're going to have to give up a lot of the traditions you want to keep.
On him specifically: At the end of the day, what matters the most is the students. I can guarantee you that Dr. Walker has the support of the school of music, and all of the students within it.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 21, 2022 12:02:30 GMT -6
Are there strings in the symphony band?
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Post by fltrojan on Nov 21, 2022 12:03:58 GMT -6
Sure doesn't look like 330 and I have been coming to Troy games since the 1980's. I'll take your word for it but it looks drastically smaller than prior years when they are in the stands
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Post by The Cardinal Rule on Nov 21, 2022 12:23:38 GMT -6
I generally avoid posts like these, so as to not stir up any trouble, but I'll try my best to be civil on this one. Dr. Walker is an amazing band director. He's been here for more than 20 years and in that time, he's managed to keep the status of our bands and our music program as one of the best in the state. Have you seen the symphony band lately? There's a good argument to be made that it IS the best in the state, even above Alabama and Auburn. For a university our size and in our location, it's truly a feat that year after year, we continue to bring in excellent musicians and continue to push the boundaries for symphony band. Each year, our high school honor band brings in around 800 kids who want to come here. Not many universities, especially those of our size, can say that. On marching band size: Our size hasn't changed much. In fact, it's gone up significantly from last year. We have around 330 total, with our pre-covid average being around 350. In the band world, that's not too big of a difference. We were given an extra section in 2021 by athletics, so it may appear that we're smaller because we're not as packed-like-sardines as we used to be. On the fanfare and dixie: I'm one of the <50 people who have conducted the fanfare. Ever. Dr. Walker never has, the assistant DMs never have. I can speak on behalf of the last 5 head drum majors when I say that sometimes there are things that are more important than tradition. The decision to change the fanfare and to remove dixie went way above Dr. Walker's head. Your opinions can be what they are, but I believe that in the grand scheme of things, what matters most is the public perception of the University and of the band program. Keeping the old fanfare and keeping dixie would have caused more problems to how people see our university than good. On JSU's band: They're good. They're really good. Take what I said about having a small university and still managing a huge marching band and multiply it by 50. They were awarded the Sudler Trophy and they truly deserve it. However, the thing to keep in mind about JSU's band vs SOTS is the styles. JSU's shows are competition-style, they're incredibly difficult, and their only intention is to recruit more people to join their 500 member band. If you want to keep tradition in mind, that's not how SOTS is, and it's not how SOTS was in the "good 'ol days." Our style, and our goal, is to be loud and to be entertaining to more than just high schoolers. Whether we are or not is subjective, but comparing SOTS and JSU's band is hard to do just because of how much we differ. If you want us to be "better" than JSU's band, you're going to have to give up a lot of the traditions you want to keep. On him specifically: At the end of the day, what matters the most is the students. I can guarantee you that Dr. Walker has the support of the school of music, and all of the students within it. On the fanfare and Dixie: your arguments are bulls*** and you know it. I hate this implication that any of us who performed that song were these mean, nasty people who hated minorities and contributed to their oppression by playing 9 notes or we were ignorant and then this generation has swept in to enlighten us and correct the wrongs of the past. I performed the Fanfare and Are You From Dixie and had no malice in my heart, I had section members and friends who were people of color and they had no problem with it. Nobody was offended by any of this until you were told to be. Yes, keeping the fan fare may have offended some social justice warriors but who cares? It's not like they were supporting you to begin with. You did manage to offend people who actually put in time with your organization.
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Post by Spiritual Trojan on Nov 21, 2022 17:34:36 GMT -6
I generally avoid posts like these, so as to not stir up any trouble, but I'll try my best to be civil on this one. Dr. Walker is an amazing band director. He's been here for more than 20 years and in that time, he's managed to keep the status of our bands and our music program as one of the best in the state. Have you seen the symphony band lately? There's a good argument to be made that it IS the best in the state, even above Alabama and Auburn. For a university our size and in our location, it's truly a feat that year after year, we continue to bring in excellent musicians and continue to push the boundaries for symphony band. Each year, our high school honor band brings in around 800 kids who want to come here. Not many universities, especially those of our size, can say that. On marching band size: Our size hasn't changed much. In fact, it's gone up significantly from last year. We have around 330 total, with our pre-covid average being around 350. In the band world, that's not too big of a difference. We were given an extra section in 2021 by athletics, so it may appear that we're smaller because we're not as packed-like-sardines as we used to be. On the fanfare and dixie: I'm one of the <50 people who have conducted the fanfare. Ever. Dr. Walker never has, the assistant DMs never have. I can speak on behalf of the last 5 head drum majors when I say that sometimes there are things that are more important than tradition. The decision to change the fanfare and to remove dixie went way above Dr. Walker's head. Your opinions can be what they are, but I believe that in the grand scheme of things, what matters most is the public perception of the University and of the band program. Keeping the old fanfare and keeping dixie would have caused more problems to how people see our university than good. On JSU's band: They're good. They're really good. Take what I said about having a small university and still managing a huge marching band and multiply it by 50. They were awarded the Sudler Trophy and they truly deserve it. However, the thing to keep in mind about JSU's band vs SOTS is the styles. JSU's shows are competition-style, they're incredibly difficult, and their only intention is to recruit more people to join their 500 member band. If you want to keep tradition in mind, that's not how SOTS is, and it's not how SOTS was in the "good 'ol days." Our style, and our goal, is to be loud and to be entertaining to more than just high schoolers. Whether we are or not is subjective, but comparing SOTS and JSU's band is hard to do just because of how much we differ. If you want us to be "better" than JSU's band, you're going to have to give up a lot of the traditions you want to keep. On him specifically: At the end of the day, what matters the most is the students. I can guarantee you that Dr. Walker has the support of the school of music, and all of the students within it. My issue is the replacement does not sound good, if that was the best that could be inserted it would have been better to just scrap the whole thing. Also directing the fanfare does not make you any more or less an expert or give you any more or less of a voice than anyone else. I have a lot of respect for Dr. Walker, he helped me through some really dark times when I was there. That aside I also agree he is a great director who is simply different than Dr Long or Mr Ford.
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Post by Hemi Man on Nov 21, 2022 20:16:16 GMT -6
Offense played well. Defense played well. Nothing to complain about? Fire Mark Walker. Wow.
Grant, and the others that are former SOTS members, I have no knowledge of what it takes to do what you do, I can’t be critical. I appreciate the past, present, and future! See y’all at the Porch!
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Nov 22, 2022 7:10:13 GMT -6
I generally avoid posts like these, so as to not stir up any trouble, but I'll try my best to be civil on this one. You should have avoided this one, too. ...I still haven't seen proof of it on the field. FIFY No one who was in the band when they played Dixie or Are You From Dixie? is racist, bigoted, or ignorant simply because of the time they were in SOTS. I don't appreciate the insinuation, and I really don't appreciate the condescension. Dixie is the title of the song, and therefore capitalized whether you like the song or not. Also, again, it's not changing the Fanfare, it's changing it to something terrible that no one wants to hear. Then stop playing Top 40 from revolving decades with a bland drill. I DEFY you to tell me the Marching Southerners are not entertaining. I dare you. Quote this sentence, then below it, post, "The Marching Southerners are not entertaining." I dare you. They play great music at a very high level, which is entertaining in itself. You can count on them to have something different every year, not pop and classic rock over and over again. When you combine that with a drill that is fun to watch you've really got something special. They also maintain tradition. Ever heard them play Malaguena, or Salvation Is Created? or the Bottle Dance? Nah, no tradition there at all. Excellence is also a tradition in itself. Fail. You're entertaining the people who think bands are good because they recognize the songs and that's about it. The Southerners can take half their band and be twice as loud as SOTS and maintain a quality ensemble sound. Don't go there. No, it's really not, and every band person here knows that. Seems like they've already been given up, so where's the improvement? "This is a really special group of guys."
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 22, 2022 10:45:03 GMT -6
I generally avoid posts like these, so as to not stir up any trouble, but I'll try my best to be civil on this one. You should have avoided this one, too. ...I still haven't seen proof of it on the field. FIFY No one who was in the band when they played Dixie or Are You From Dixie? is racist, bigoted, or ignorant simply because of they time they were in SOTS. I don't appreciate the insinuation, and I really don't appreciate the condescension. Dixie is the title of the song, and therefore capitalized whether you like the song or not. Also, again, it's not changing the Fanfare, it's changing it to something terrible that no one wants to hear. Then stop playing Top 40 from revolving decades with a bland drill. I DEFY you to tell me the Marching Southerners are not entertaining. I dare you. Quote this sentence, then below it, post, "The Marching Southerners are not entertaining." I dare you. They play great music at a very high level, which is entertaining in itself. You can count on them to have something different every year, not pop and classic rock over and over again. When you combine that with a drill that is fun to watch you've really got something special. They also maintain tradition. Ever heard them play Malaguena, or Salvation Is Created? or the Bottle Dance? Nah, no tradition there at all. Excellence is also a tradition in itself. Fail. You're entertaining the people who think bands are good because they recognize the songs and that's about it. The Southerners can take half their band and be twice as loud as SOTS and maintain a quality ensemble sound. Don't go there. No, it's really not, and every band person here knows that. Seems like they've already been given up, so where's the improvement? "This is a really special group of guys." 
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Post by The Cardinal Rule on Nov 22, 2022 14:07:11 GMT -6
I generally avoid posts like these, so as to not stir up any trouble, but I'll try my best to be civil on this one. You should have avoided this one, too. ...I still haven't seen proof of it on the field. FIFY No one who was in the band when they played Dixie or Are You From Dixie? is racist, bigoted, or ignorant simply because of they time they were in SOTS. I don't appreciate the insinuation, and I really don't appreciate the condescension. Dixie is the title of the song, and therefore capitalized whether you like the song or not. Also, again, it's not changing the Fanfare, it's changing it to something terrible that no one wants to hear. Then stop playing Top 40 from revolving decades with a bland drill. I DEFY you to tell me the Marching Southerners are not entertaining. I dare you. Quote this sentence, then below it, post, "The Marching Southerners are not entertaining." I dare you. They play great music at a very high level, which is entertaining in itself. You can count on them to have something different every year, not pop and classic rock over and over again. When you combine that with a drill that is fun to watch you've really got something special. They also maintain tradition. Ever heard them play Malaguena, or Salvation Is Created? or the Bottle Dance? Nah, no tradition there at all. Excellence is also a tradition in itself. Fail. You're entertaining the people who think bands are good because they recognize the songs and that's about it. The Southerners can take half their band and be twice as loud as SOTS and maintain a quality ensemble sound. Don't go there. No, it's really not, and every band person here knows that. Seems like they've already been given up, so where's the improvement? "This is a really special group of guys."
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Post by trojanempire on Dec 4, 2022 13:24:11 GMT -6
I have to agree with Spiritual Trojan. The changes to the fanfare do not sound good at all. It sounds clunky and awkward.
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Post by Possum on Dec 4, 2022 15:52:26 GMT -6
I have to agree with Spiritual Trojan. The changes to the fanfare do not sound good at all. It sounds clunky and awkward. Amen.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 5, 2022 14:46:44 GMT -6
Sorry but I agree, the Sound of the South was 10x Better when I was in school than now. It has fallen.
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Post by pctrojan16 on Dec 6, 2022 7:43:15 GMT -6
Sorry but I agree, the Sound of the South was 10x Better when I was in school than now. It has fallen. my dad said the same thing saturday he even booed the fanfare change and he graduated in '86
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Dec 12, 2022 9:14:54 GMT -6
I have to agree with Spiritual Trojan. The changes to the fanfare do not sound good at all. It sounds clunky and awkward. I agree. I don't care so much about Dixie being taken out... but what it was replaced with sounds awful and weird. It needs to be changed to something that will flow better... because it's definitely not flowing currently.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 12, 2022 12:10:33 GMT -6
One could change 4 notes and then not repeat any note except the last one. Any person who ever played “name that Tune” or has any musical ability at all could alter this. Hint it could even be similar but NOT Dixie. Many players in that band could alter it to satisfy the woke stupidity and actually not use Dixie. But more importantly than all the above it would sound better (much better) I grew up Lutheran and basically our music in the Missouri Synod was whole note Gregorian chants. Sort but hideous to any music appreciative person. Use your student talent and improve the Gregorian Chant part of the fanfare.
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Post by fltrojan on Jan 6, 2023 7:27:00 GMT -6
Sorry but I agree, the Sound of the South was 10x Better when I was in school than now. It has fallen. 100% agree. Band is stale and boring now
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