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Post by Troystet on Apr 9, 2022 11:14:58 GMT -6
Telling him they would go Brandon because he was taller at the end of Spring was the nail in the coffin. He never even got a serious look and I know that for a fact. Could he have beat out Brandon? who knows but he was never even given a chance I made about 1/3 of all the spring practices that spring.I also set next to Gardner's dad most every time he was there as we shared some friends.Not one single practice did I ever think Gardner COULD beat out Silvers for the job.I watched half his games when he transferred to NWCC and I never thought he could come back to Troy and start.Some players simply do not pop of the page until they get in the perfect system for their skill set.I've watched and played football more than most Troy dads and so proud that Gardner was able to capitalize on his unique skillset,but no fault of Troy or Neal Brown's staff that I know of (I heard every reason) other than some miscommunication. I thought the world of NB and still do but we never reached our offensive potential while he was here nor did our qb's and it is glaringly evident during his tenure at WVU. VK won us more games than our offense did and maybe NB knew this because he would go stone cold conservative if we had a lead. Now, I admit I was not impressed with Gardner in the Spring although he didn't get a ton of reps either. IMO we never developed Brandon to his potential either. All it took for Gardner was Mike Leach. Imagine Brandon playing one season for Leach what he might have done
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Post by joshboutwell on Apr 10, 2022 20:37:27 GMT -6
Is Quayde Hawkins a dual threat QB? Or purely a passer?
It's been encouraging to see that he's been competing for the starting spot at QB.
I wouldn't call him a dual threat. He's definitely a solid scrambler and will run if he has to, but he keeps his eyes down field looking to throw. Not a QB you would run much read-option with, though. Gunnar is still way ahead of him, in my eyes, though.
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Post by chasin170 on Apr 25, 2022 9:39:47 GMT -6
I made about 1/3 of all the spring practices that spring.I also set next to Gardner's dad most every time he was there as we shared some friends.Not one single practice did I ever think Gardner COULD beat out Silvers for the job.I watched half his games when he transferred to NWCC and I never thought he could come back to Troy and start.Some players simply do not pop of the page until they get in the perfect system for their skill set.I've watched and played football more than most Troy dads and so proud that Gardner was able to capitalize on his unique skillset,but no fault of Troy or Neal Brown's staff that I know of (I heard every reason) other than some miscommunication. I thought the world of NB and still do but we never reached our offensive potential while he was here nor did our qb's and it is glaringly evident during his tenure at WVU. VK won us more games than our offense did and maybe NB knew this because he would go stone cold conservative if we had a lead. Now, I admit I was not impressed with Gardner in the Spring although he didn't get a ton of reps either. IMO we never developed Brandon to his potential either. All it took for Gardner was Mike Leach. Imagine Brandon playing one season for Leach what he might have done I can agree to that,but Brandon was a really good tough kid and I thought did everything HCNB asked him to do.He was never going to lose the job to Minshew no matter the coach,IMO.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Apr 25, 2022 11:17:25 GMT -6
There were a butt load of teams that wished they had Brandon Silvers at QB. We were not only fine but pretty dang good while he was here. There all kind of could be or would be scenarios but the bottom line Silvers was pretty dang good while here. I liked what I saw out of Hawkins let’s just see how Craddock develops the two we have with a butt load of route runs between them and receivers over the summer in their workouts. Timing was not great last Saturday but I think we will be at least Ok for the season even if others don’t magically show up. I always go back to Florida from Tebow to Trask did not have a guy who could of played a series at Troy compared to our guys. QB is an odd position.
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Post by Troystet on Apr 25, 2022 11:23:38 GMT -6
There were a butt load of teams that wished they had Brandon Silvers at QB. We were not only fine but pretty dang good while he was here. There all kind of could be or would be scenarios but the bottom line Silvers was pretty dang good while here. I liked what I saw out of Hawkins let’s just see how Craddock develops the two we have with a butt load of route runs between them and receivers over the summer in their workouts. Timing was not great last Saturday but I think we will be at least Ok for the season even if others don’t magically show up. I always go back to Florida from Tebow to Trask did not have a guy who could of played a series at Troy compared to our guys. QB is an odd position. My best friend is a UF alum and season ticket holder and he always said "how in the world can UF not recruit a qb" Does make you wonder
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Post by troydadfl on Apr 25, 2022 12:55:57 GMT -6
There were a butt load of teams that wished they had Brandon Silvers at QB. We were not only fine but pretty dang good while he was here. There all kind of could be or would be scenarios but the bottom line Silvers was pretty dang good while here. I liked what I saw out of Hawkins let’s just see how Craddock develops the two we have with a butt load of route runs between them and receivers over the summer in their workouts. Timing was not great last Saturday but I think we will be at least Ok for the season even if others don’t magically show up. I always go back to Florida from Tebow to Trask did not have a guy who could of played a series at Troy compared to our guys. QB is an odd position. My best friend is a UF alum and season ticket holder and he always said "how in the world can UF not recruit a qb" Does make you wonder I’m pretty a lot of fans are thinking how is Troy not recruiting a transfer portal QB right now??
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Post by joshboutwell on Apr 25, 2022 13:36:43 GMT -6
My best friend is a UF alum and season ticket holder and he always said "how in the world can UF not recruit a qb" Does make you wonder I’m pretty a lot of fans are thinking how is Troy not recruiting a transfer portal QB right now?? Sumrall hinted at another QB being added during the summer following the spring game.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Apr 25, 2022 14:27:44 GMT -6
I’m pretty a lot of fans are thinking how is Troy not recruiting a transfer portal QB right now?? Sumrall hinted at another QB being added during the summer following the spring game. We sure need it. Watson still can't throw an accurate deep ball consistently. Same issue he's had the past two seasons.
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Post by troydadfl on Apr 25, 2022 15:17:37 GMT -6
Sumrall hinted at another QB being added during the summer following the spring game. We sure need it. Watson still can't throw an accurate deep ball consistently. Same issue he's had the past two seasons. Truth is no one wants to say it like it is and that’s if any college football team in general expects to win games or at least have a legitimate chance you going to need athletic QB in today’s game,, someone who can extend plays and not just a traditional drop back QB those days are gone.
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Post by peewee26 on Apr 25, 2022 20:04:49 GMT -6
We sure need it. Watson still can't throw an accurate deep ball consistently. Same issue he's had the past two seasons. Truth is no one wants to say it like it is and that’s if any college football team in general expects to win games or at least have a legitimate chance you going to need athletic QB in today’s game,, someone who can extend plays and not just a traditional drop back QB those days are gone. I was impressed with the effort and discipline that the team showed Saturday. It was very clean and physical. I was also impressed that not many blown assignments appeared in the scrimmage. However, our QB play leaves a lot to be a desired. I am sure they are great kids, but they didn’t produce on Saturday. Q has the better chance, but it’s still questionable. Watson threw two picks that should have been 3. And there were many other bad throws and locked in targets. I’m not bashing the fella, but production is all that really matters on the field. Neither threw the long ball accurately. The things that appear to be missing don’t seem to me to be coachable. Agree with Hemi that there are other thin spots, but it starts at QB. In fact, the QB production was such that when asked about the new coach and team, I said “it’s hard for judge given the lack of QB production.” To end on a more positive note, there was vast improvement in discipline, effort, energy, and assignment knowledge. There were many positives actually. The running back situation is amazingly strong - no pun intended. We have some studs in the backfield. And the crowd involvement and program building stuff was off the charts good. Go Trojans!
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Post by troydadfl on Apr 25, 2022 20:35:35 GMT -6
Truth is no one wants to say it like it is and that’s if any college football team in general expects to win games or at least have a legitimate chance you going to need athletic QB in today’s game,, someone who can extend plays and not just a traditional drop back QB those days are gone. I was impressed with the effort and discipline that the team showed Saturday. It was very clean and physical. I was also impressed that not many blown assignments appeared in the scrimmage. However, our QB play leaves a lot to be a desired. I am sure they are great kids, but they didn’t produce on Saturday. Q has the better chance, but it’s still questionable. Watson threw two picks that should have been 3. And there were many other bad throws and locked in targets. I’m not bashing the fella, but production is all that really matters on the field. Neither threw the long ball accurately. The things that appear to be missing don’t seem to me to be coachable. Agree with Hemi that there are other thin spots, but it starts at QB. In fact, the QB production was such that when asked about the new coach and team, I said “it’s hard for judge given the lack of QB production.” To end on a more positive note, there was vast improvement in discipline, effort, energy, and assignment knowledge. There were many positives actually. The running back situation is amazingly strong - no pun intended. We have some studs in the backfield. And the crowd involvement and program building stuff was off the charts good. Go Trojans! I 100 percent agree 👊🏻👊🏻. I believe they are great young men as well, unfortunately as far as his last two seasons and production etc it appears Watson is very subject to throw INT,,,
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Post by Mr E 205 Legion on Apr 25, 2022 21:54:04 GMT -6
I’m pretty a lot of fans are thinking how is Troy not recruiting a transfer portal QB right now?? Sumrall hinted at another QB being added during the summer following the spring game. JUST a friendly reminder ... troytrojans.com/sports/football/roster/tucker-kilcrease/9815Watch some of his videos showing his ability/willingness to be mobile and his downfield throwing, remember HE chose Troy, and forget about the word "Portal". Gut feeling that this is the personification of CJS's "hint". Depending on how well he studies film and the playbook, he could be the next QB1 to play multiple seasons for us. We have the staff in place to strengthen him and actually instruct/teach him, it is up to Tucker to determine which of the predecessors examples he follows ... Watson, Barker, Silvers, so many others!
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Post by buzzlightyear on Apr 26, 2022 4:34:18 GMT -6
There was a coach at the evening event who did talk of the freshman coming in. I too think he may have some talent. We shall see.
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Post by cornhole on Apr 26, 2022 7:34:12 GMT -6
Is Quayde Hawkins a dual threat QB? Or purely a passer?
It's been encouraging to see that he's been competing for the starting spot at QB.
I wouldn't call him a dual threat. He's definitely a solid scrambler and will run if he has to, but he keeps his eyes down field looking to throw. Not a QB you would run much read-option with, though. Gunnar is still way ahead of him, in my eyes, though. Just based on T-Day observation I won’t write this young man off as others seem to have done. Saw a lot of promise in his play. Hasn’t played a real game yet, still plenty time to work on his game..
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Post by Troystet on Apr 26, 2022 7:45:40 GMT -6
Sumrall hinted at another QB being added during the summer following the spring game. JUST a friendly reminder ... troytrojans.com/sports/football/roster/tucker-kilcrease/9815Watch some of his videos showing his ability/willingness to be mobile and his downfield throwing, remember HE chose Troy, and forget about the word "Portal". Gut feeling that this is the personification of CJS's "hint". Depending on how well he studies film and the playbook, he could be the next QB1 to play multiple seasons for us. We have the staff in place to strengthen him and actually instruct/teach him, it is up to Tucker to determine which of the predecessors examples he follows ... Watson, Barker, Silvers, so many others! Anything is possible but he his going to have a huge shock adjusting to the speed of the game and especially coming out of 1A or 2A whatever Brantley is in. I came from a small school also and it was a big adjustment. If he can do it give him the ball. UCF gave the ball to a true freshman and he produced magic. One thing is glaring....we have to find a qb and subpar to average isn't going to cut it.
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Post by Troystet on Apr 26, 2022 7:47:36 GMT -6
I wouldn't call him a dual threat. He's definitely a solid scrambler and will run if he has to, but he keeps his eyes down field looking to throw. Not a QB you would run much read-option with, though. Gunnar is still way ahead of him, in my eyes, though. Just based on T-Day observation I won’t write this young man off as others seem to have done. Saw a lot of promise in his play. Hasn’t played a real game yet, still plenty time to work on his game.. Game players and practice players. Never forget Levi Brown was 3rd team starting 2008. He didn't impress in practice but he produced in the games
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Post by buzzlightyear on Apr 26, 2022 10:20:40 GMT -6
My college coach called it: 4:00 Super Star! Constantly telling us: That’s nice …do that this Saturday!!!
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Post by Troystet on Apr 26, 2022 13:17:40 GMT -6
My college coach called it: 4:00 Super Star! Constantly telling us: That’s nice …do that this Saturday!!! I still wonder what happens in 2008 if Jamie Hampton didn't go down? One thing is certain, we were a different team after words. We were awful at evaluating qb talent from 2008 on. I will say this till forever but Deon Anthony should have been the qb in 2012-13. He started two games and went 2-0 while we went 4-8 and 5-7
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Post by jonesoxygen on Apr 26, 2022 20:43:00 GMT -6
Speaking of the portal. We’ve had 4 guys enter in the last few days, there will be more. Do not panic! Remember players agave until 5/1 to put their names in the portal or they have to stay wherever they are. I don’t know a single bit of secret info, all 4 of these were announced on twitter. As has been said before, the portal giveth and the portal taketh away.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Apr 26, 2022 21:30:24 GMT -6
My college coach called it: 4:00 Super Star! Constantly telling us: That’s nice …do that this Saturday!!! I still wonder what happens in 2008 if Jamie Hampton didn't go down? One thing is certain, we were a different team after words. We were awful at evaluating qb talent from 2008 on. I will say this till forever but Deon Anthony should have been the qb in 2012-13. He started two games and went 2-0 while we went 4-8 and 5-7 Deon Anthony had so much talent. Troy definitely didn't give him the fair shot he deserved. I think he could've been great... he sometimes reminded me of Omar Haugabook with his size and throwing motion.
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Post by AUGTrojan on Apr 27, 2022 5:39:23 GMT -6
Speaking of the portal. We’ve had 4 guys enter in the last few days, there will be more. Do not panic! Remember players agave until 5/1 to put their names in the portal or they have to stay wherever they are. I don’t know a single bit of secret info, all 4 of these were announced on twitter. As has been said before, the portal giveth and the portal taketh away. Who's the fourth? I saw Finch, Griffin-Isom, and Schultz had via Twitter. Was it Brooks Weeks?
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Post by cornhole on Apr 27, 2022 7:20:38 GMT -6
Speaking of the portal. We’ve had 4 guys enter in the last few days, there will be more. Do not panic! Remember players agave until 5/1 to put their names in the portal or they have to stay wherever they are. I don’t know a single bit of secret info, all 4 of these were announced on twitter. As has been said before, the portal giveth and the portal taketh away. Who's the fourth? I saw Finch, Griffin-Isom, and Schultz had via Twitter. Was it Brooks Weeks? 04/19/22 Updates
Pos Eligibility Status Transfer / Prediction Brooks Weeks
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Apr 27, 2022 10:33:07 GMT -6
So it sounds like it was guys that probably would've gotten very little playing time this coming season?
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Apr 27, 2022 13:26:48 GMT -6
I am not saying this is the reason and I have no real information... BUT from my experience in the real world, if leadership and culture changes are made, there are some folks that take it as a sign to move on. I think we can all agree that in general terms, we are transitioning from a program with loose requirements and expectations to a program with discipline and specific goals. I'm sure there are some that will resist the change. That being said however, if I could offer some advice to young men from a middle age man... discipline and goals are the keys to success. Take a look around in this world at the successful people and I think you will find they share some of the fundamental values that Troy football is teaching you. Stay at Troy and become a great student and a great athlete. When you are an old man, you can look back with no regrets.
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Post by cornhole on Apr 27, 2022 15:21:29 GMT -6
I am not saying this is the reason and I have no real information... BUT from my experience in the real world, if leadership and culture changes are made, there are some folks that take it as a sign to move on. I think we can all agree that in general terms, we are transitioning from a program with loose requirements and expectations to a program with discipline and specific goals. I'm sure there are some that will resist the change. That being said however, if I could offer some advice to young men from a middle age man... discipline and goals are the keys to success. Take a look around in this world at the successful people and I think you will find they share some of the fundamental values that Troy football is teaching you. Stay at Troy and become a great student and a great athlete. When you are an old man, you can look back with no regrets. Sage advice but not sure these transfers had a choice. We likely need the scholarships for recruiting.
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