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Post by Hemi Man on Nov 29, 2021 9:02:17 GMT -6
Using Hemi’s logic/parameters the answer is the same and confirms: Every hire is a roll of the dice. To answer your question, he used to coach at Troy, that is ultimately why he is a major candidate, the administration is comfortable with him. It is disappointing that the AD did not perform the exhaustive national search as promised, but went with what was comfortable and easy. AD 100% not using the criteria that the next coach has to have e Troy ties but kinda has. Now if it works out, then he is a genius and deserves the credit. It’s kinda like going for 4th and 12 on your own 30 yard line, if you get it your hero but if you don’t, we all suffer the continued pain of the last three years. Due to this, will JS be successful? Only time will tell. Hope and pray he does. Every assistant/coordinator ever hired to be head coach is the same in that aspect of the unknown. He is the same as 20 other assistants around the country. Don't get me wrong, I been around the program for the last 30 years and personally spoke too AD Brent Jones at homecoming. I also work as a hiring consultant and this is the most important hire our beloved University going to make. Over the last 10 years, we have had only 4 winning seasons and we were considered one of the Best G5 Programs during those 4 years. I understand CJS has been here before, same as CNB and CCL. From my understanding, he is bringing back CSR who has been here twice and left after 1 year both times. So my point, I really think we should explore our BEST Options and if CJS is the Best Option, so be it. I love Troy University as we all do. Spot on this is the hire they shapes the future for several years. Just to correct you Reagan was a GA and left with Neal to go to Texas Tech. He was then at Troy from 2011-18 in w couple of different roles. We all want the best for Troy. What the best means isn’t about X’s and O’s. It goes far beyond that. I think we can all agree on that.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 29, 2021 9:05:44 GMT -6
Let's face it App State has probably had about the best run of new coaches in a line that anyone has had. There mode of operation has been within the program guys but I am assuming that this too will eventually disappoint. My guess is that we will get someone who at least does not leave most with a putrid taste in their mouths as our last coach hire did. He was given benefit of doubt but literally no one (maybe one or two of his relatives) thought it was a good hire. Having the attitude that "maybe things will not be the same with him now that he is a head coach" is a terrible way to start someone's tenure. I realize we must move on but the candidates being considered are overall much much much much much much mucn more palatable than the last hire. Then if preparation meets opportunity we will be ok.
So here is to moving on.....and good luck to whomever we hire because while we expect the best.........the bar for now is set pretty low so you should be given a pretty good shot at righting the ship.
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Post by cornhole on Nov 29, 2021 9:20:04 GMT -6
I'm happy with D.A. or J.S. and their ability to recruit. Putting a staff together is another story...although I know a former Wide Receivers Coach that would have an instant impact on recruiting. Corn was and could be a fine addition to the new staff.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Nov 29, 2021 9:34:37 GMT -6
I understand CJS has been here before, same as CNB and CCL. From my understanding, he is bringing back CSR who has been here twice and left after 1 year both times. Regan was Co-Offensive Coordinator and QB Coach at Troy... and we had some fun offenses and pretty great QB play.
I'll take that.
I know NB was the playcaller on offense, but Regan obviously would bring that same sort of playcalling scheme and mindset, which I'm all for. Getting Jon Sumrall as HC and Sean Regan as OC/QB coach would be a slam dunk. Could get Cornelius Williams back as WR coach. Plus possibly keeping DC Brandon Hall and the other defensive assistants.... the future would seemingly be very bright, and I'd guess the majority of us would be very excited.
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Post by Troy_Fan_15 on Nov 29, 2021 9:40:54 GMT -6
I’ve heard something interesting… I hear Jon is a strong candidate at Troy but there’s a snag if Stoops leaves UK which is very possible. Stoops to OU makes a lot of sense and already being discussed. Are you implying that Sumrall would take the UK job? I personally think this could be the job to lure Brent Venables away from Clemson to begin his HC career. OU is still one of the top teams and it should be easy to step in and win there
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Post by Troystet on Nov 29, 2021 10:25:01 GMT -6
Current APP State coach is a App Guy. He played there and he coached there so he won't be going anywhere
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 29, 2021 10:33:28 GMT -6
till they win consistently and then he will just like Drink and dude at Louisville (I think). The consistent winning they are doing right now will not go on forever till he too is lured by big money.
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Post by ksdtrojan on Nov 29, 2021 10:42:06 GMT -6
Using Hemi’s logic/parameters the answer is the same and confirms: Every hire is a roll of the dice. To answer your question, he used to coach at Troy, that is ultimately why he is a major candidate, the administration is comfortable with him. It is disappointing that the AD did not perform the exhaustive national search as promised, but went with what was comfortable and easy. AD 100% not using the criteria that the next coach has to have e Troy ties but kinda has. Now if it works out, then he is a genius and deserves the credit. It’s kinda like going for 4th and 12 on your own 30 yard line, if you get it your hero but if you don’t, we all suffer the continued pain of the last three years. Due to this, will JS be successful? Only time will tell. Hope and pray he does. Every assistant/coordinator ever hired to be head coach is the same in that aspect of the unknown. He is the same as 20 other assistants around the country. There are no guarantees. with any choice no matter the experience Hire a winner who knows how to win is your best bet.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 29, 2021 10:44:21 GMT -6
with any choice no matter the experience Hire a winner who knows how to win is your best bet. There are intangibles needed to be a HC at Troy. This was brought up multiple times in the letter winners zoom call
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Post by ksdtrojan on Nov 29, 2021 10:45:21 GMT -6
with any choice no matter the experience Hire a winner who knows how to win is your best bet. There are intangibles needed to be a HC at Troy. This was brought up multiple times in the letter winners zoom call agreed Simply saying that you can’t base the choice on previous HC experience or OC/DC experience alone. The biggest question I would want to know the answer to is this: What is your plan to build a successful football program? All aspects.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 29, 2021 10:54:31 GMT -6
There are intangibles needed to be a HC at Troy. This was brought up multiple times in the letter winners zoom call agreed Simply saying that you can’t base the choice on previous HC experience or OC/DC experience alone. The biggest question I would want to know the answer to is this: What is your plan to build a successful football program? All aspects. Smart assistant coaches take their job and program as a mentorship. They learn from what that HC does that works. That was Chips problem, he never learned squat
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Post by saintflorian on Nov 29, 2021 10:55:31 GMT -6
There are intangibles needed to be a HC at Troy. This was brought up multiple times in the letter winners zoom call agreed Simply saying that you can’t base the choice on previous HC experience or OC/DC experience alone. The biggest question I would want to know the answer to is this: What is your plan to build a successful football program? All aspects. "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson Agree, a detailed plan is a requirement know a days. The biggest thing and biggest concern with JS and DA is how they can lead, adjust and overcome when you get “punched in the mouth”. Some have committed that this is the issue with JS and DA. Those same folks inside the program say Neal Brown was light years away in this aspect when he got hired. And he proved it.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 29, 2021 11:57:17 GMT -6
Those same folks inside the program say Neal Brown was light years away in this aspect when he got hired. And he proved it.
Neal learned from LB, Tubberville and Stoops. He took in what made them successful plus he was a man of character. We need that again. That is what makes Saban assistants that learn from him successful. There is a formula that works when applied. Discipline, accountability, competition etc....things NB put in. Ask his former players. Everything was a competition, classroom to field
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Post by biggtroy on Nov 29, 2021 13:09:23 GMT -6
Are you implying that Sumrall would take the UK job? I personally think this could be the job to lure Brent Venables away from Clemson to begin his HC career. OU is still one of the top teams and it should be easy to step in and win there How? He's already making over 2 million a year as DC at Clemson. If he wants to be a HC he can hold out for the one he wants.
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Post by Troy_Fan_15 on Nov 29, 2021 13:43:47 GMT -6
I personally think this could be the job to lure Brent Venables away from Clemson to begin his HC career. OU is still one of the top teams and it should be easy to step in and win there How? He's already making over 2 million a year as DC at Clemson. If he wants to be a HC he can hold out for the one he wants. He would make more as the head coach at OU than DC at Clemson. That's why I said it could lure him away. It's a great job to take. (I replied to the wrong post so I didn't mean for it to attach to the Sumrall/UK comment in my first response.
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Post by Troy_Fan_15 on Nov 29, 2021 13:45:14 GMT -6
Those same folks inside the program say Neal Brown was light years away in this aspect when he got hired. And he proved it. Neal learned from LB, Tubberville and Stoops. He took in what made them successful plus he was a man of character. We need that again. That is what makes Saban assistants that learn from him successful. There is a formula that works when applied. Discipline, accountability, competition etc....things NB put in. Ask his former players. Everything was a competition, classroom to field Bingo. CL learned nothing from anyone and never even was really that successful before Troy.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 29, 2021 13:46:38 GMT -6
How? He's already making over 2 million a year as DC at Clemson. If he wants to be a HC he can hold out for the one he wants. He would make more as the head coach at OU than DC at Clemson. That's why I said it could lure him away. It's a great job to take. (I replied to the wrong post so I didn't mean for it to attach to the Sumrall/UK comment in my first response. In my opinion, it would have to be quite a bit more money for me (a nobody message board dummy) to leave a 2mil a year job at Clemson. Clemson has been recruiting well for years and will be in a position to win the ACC. OU is soon to be just another SECw job and that is a tough division. I'd expect at least 4 mil a year.
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Post by troyjan95 on Nov 29, 2021 13:59:24 GMT -6
If I were OU - I go get Kiffin
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 29, 2021 14:12:36 GMT -6
If I were OU - I go get Kiffin If I were OU I would puke on Kiffin. However, that is just my disgusted opinion of this myxomycophyta (slime mold fungus)
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Post by Pete on Nov 29, 2021 14:24:44 GMT -6
If I were OU - I go get Kiffin Ansley to Troy As a defensive guy, he has studied offenses and knows about Offense coordinators. The main job of hiring a new staff is hiring capable people. I am sure DA will take the job to task. Gees, this guy is a good coach.
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Post by ksdtrojan on Nov 29, 2021 14:27:37 GMT -6
If I were OU - I go get Kiffin Ansley to Troy As a defensive guy, he has studied offenses and knows about Offense coordinators. The main job of hiring a new staff is hiring capable people. I am sure DA will take the job to task. Gees, this guy is a good coach. I really like DA. Not sure who we get. If the powers know already they aren’t leaking info. Unless we have a holdout here 😜. I will support whoever it is. And between DA and JS I’ll be ecstatic either way.
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Post by trojanempire on Nov 29, 2021 14:40:36 GMT -6
Using Hemi’s logic/parameters the answer is the same and confirms: Every hire is a roll of the dice. To answer your question, he used to coach at Troy, that is ultimately why he is a major candidate, the administration is comfortable with him. It is disappointing that the AD did not perform the exhaustive national search as promised, but went with what was comfortable and easy. AD 100% not using the criteria that the next coach has to have e Troy ties but kinda has. Now if it works out, then he is a genius and deserves the credit. It’s kinda like going for 4th and 12 on your own 30 yard line, if you get it your hero but if you don’t, we all suffer the continued pain of the last three years. Due to this, will JS be successful? Only time will tell. Hope and pray he does. Every assistant/coordinator ever hired to be head coach is the same in that aspect of the unknown. He is the same as 20 other assistants around the country. Don't get me wrong, I been around the program for the last 30 years and personally spoke too AD Brent Jones at homecoming. I also work as a hiring consultant and this is the most important hire our beloved University going to make. Over the last 10 years, we have had only 4 winning seasons and we were considered one of the Best G5 Programs during those 4 years. I understand CJS has been here before, same as CNB and CCL. From my understanding, he is bringing back CSR who has been here twice and left after 1 year both times. So my point, I really think we should explore our BEST Options and if CJS is the Best Option, so be it. I love Troy University as we all do. CSR?
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Post by psitech on Nov 29, 2021 14:51:38 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong, I been around the program for the last 30 years and personally spoke too AD Brent Jones at homecoming. I also work as a hiring consultant and this is the most important hire our beloved University going to make. Over the last 10 years, we have had only 4 winning seasons and we were considered one of the Best G5 Programs during those 4 years. I understand CJS has been here before, same as CNB and CCL. From my understanding, he is bringing back CSR who has been here twice and left after 1 year both times. So my point, I really think we should explore our BEST Options and if CJS is the Best Option, so be it. I love Troy University as we all do. CSR? Sean Reagan
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Post by troyjan95 on Nov 29, 2021 15:12:45 GMT -6
If I were OU - I go get Kiffin If I were OU I would puke on Kiffin. However, that is just my disgusted opinion of this myxomycophyta (slime mold fungus) And that is fair Buzz - but this is just business and Kiffin while not perfect has gotten better
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Post by biggtroy on Nov 29, 2021 15:52:32 GMT -6
Hearing an offer has been made but do not know to whom. Offer was supposedly $700,000. If Sumrall he is already making $675,000 this year at UK....that won't get him or most other P5 Assistants. Is probably our glorious leader JH trying to go on the cheap as usual.
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