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Post by truetroyfan on Nov 9, 2021 14:24:21 GMT -6
This is the first post I've written despite my years looking through the site. And I have to say that all I see here is a bunch of whiners who don't understand what Troy football, let alone college football, is. Seeing some people on here expressing that they want the team to lose purely out of spite to (The HC we don’t speak of). These kids on the team don't deserve that, and it's crazy to see some of y'all wishing that on them. Now, (The HC we don’t speak of) has problems, but you're treating him like he's disrespecting one of the great programs of all time, when I'm sorry to say Troy is not. Neal Brown had a good stretch, but you're acting like he didn't start with a 4-8 record in a far easier Sun Belt conference compared to now. I grew up in the Blakeney days where a bowl appearance felt normal, but he's had years that were far worse than (The HC we don’t speak of). There is definite improvement here, and he finally is getting his own guys in here. These kids and coaches are doing good and I want this toxic site fanbase to know that.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Nov 9, 2021 14:52:07 GMT -6
I like a lot of what you've said, but I don't like the notion of a "true fan". It's entertainment, and people are allowed to experience it in whatever way they like. Some are more involved than others, and that's ok.
As far as getting his own players, I dunno man. He has the talent. He's done that with defense, but he made the absolute wrong choice for OC / OL coach. He made the wrong decision on who the QB should be, and didn't have the balls to go for it on 4th down vs Coastal. No killer instinct. I've given (The HC we don’t speak of) more time than most, and I'll always respect him and not call him by false names like others do, but he has done nothing to make me think year four will be any better.
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Post by saintflorian on Nov 9, 2021 15:12:33 GMT -6
This is the first post I've written despite my years looking through the site. And I have to say that all I see here is a bunch of whiners who don't understand what Troy football, let alone college football, is. Seeing some people on here expressing that they want the team to lose purely out of spite to (The HC we don’t speak of). These kids on the team don't deserve that, and it's crazy to see some of y'all wishing that on them. Now, (The HC we don’t speak of) has problems, but you're treating him like he's disrespecting one of the great programs of all time, when I'm sorry to say Troy is not. Neal Brown had a good stretch, but you're acting like he didn't start with a 4-8 record in a far easier Sun Belt conference compared to now. I grew up in the Blakeney days where a bowl appearance felt normal, but he's had years that were far worse than (The HC we don’t speak of). There is definite improvement here, and he finally is getting his own guys in here. These kids and coaches are doing good and I want this toxic site fanbase to know that. I 100% agree these kids do not deserve to have supporters root against them. I have been promoting hard that these kids and our program need/have/deserved to be supported. But, need to clarify some items on your other opinions. Neal Brown having a 4-8 season his first year was actually pretty damn good. Larry Blakeney, a true Troy legend, left the program a complete dumpster fire in talent, attitude and culture. Defense has improved every year. Offense is has been stale for three years. Sure, there are some good coaches on this staff but they are not being led. (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay, is a nice guy, I will not personally judge him simply because he sins differently than me. But he is the leader, the CEO of this program and has failed. He took over a talented program running on all cylinders and simply has not won. He is not a head football coach at this level. Itâs not who he is. Itâs out there for all to see and judge. This is the reality of FBS football where the Troy football coach makes $800k per year. Troy football needs a new leader.
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Post by bulldogtrojan on Nov 9, 2021 15:34:23 GMT -6
This is the first post I've written despite my years looking through the site. And I have to say that all I see here is a bunch of whiners who don't understand what Troy football, let alone college football, is. Seeing some people on here expressing that they want the team to lose purely out of spite to (The HC we don’t speak of). These kids on the team don't deserve that, and it's crazy to see some of y'all wishing that on them. Now, (The HC we don’t speak of) has problems, but you're treating him like he's disrespecting one of the great programs of all time, when I'm sorry to say Troy is not. Neal Brown had a good stretch, but you're acting like he didn't start with a 4-8 record in a far easier Sun Belt conference compared to now. I grew up in the Blakeney days where a bowl appearance felt normal, but he's had years that were far worse than (The HC we don’t speak of). There is definite improvement here, and he finally is getting his own guys in here. These kids and coaches are doing good and I want this toxic site fanbase to know that. I agree 100% that we should support the players, but to say Troy is not one of the great programs of all time is not correct either. No we haven't won a national championship but we are (were) a very recognizable brand. "Anyone, anytime, anywhere" giant-killing brand. Yes, Larry Blakeney did not finish well, but people knew who we were, because of his players, because of those "oh-so-sweet" victories against Miss. State, Missouri, Marshall, then LSU and Nebraska and even those "moral" victories. Neal reinvigorated the brand. For him and us, I think he left too soon. I saw (The HC we don’t speak of) at the Football 101 event in July. He seemed relaxed, he was more articulate than I had ever heard him. The players who participated in that event were excited and seemed to really be enjoying themselves and their team mates. And I thought, this is it. Hope is a fickle friend.
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Post by asacarter on Nov 9, 2021 15:49:16 GMT -6
True fans love their team no matter what. I would say for the most part that is just about everyone here. We all love Troy all sports all athletes. A true fan should also want their team to strive for the best. In college football that is wins. Plain and simple. Also college football is circular it all comes around. Except for Umess their terrible. Alabama was 3-8 before Saban. But Steven Alabama knew they're fans and supporters wanted a better team and they've done a wonderful job keeping their footing. Troy will be back on Top of the sun belt soon. It will not be under the current coach. We are Trojans one and all!!!
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Post by psitech on Nov 9, 2021 16:41:03 GMT -6
I don't think I've seen anyone here Not support the players. I personally feel the players deserve better. They get out there and play their tails off only to have poor decisions cost them close games. That's happened over and over for 3 years. While I respect your opinion, it's in poor form to jump in here with the True Fan mantra. I'd argue that anyone that takes the time to even visit this forum is a Troy die hard fan. I'll leave it at that.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 9, 2021 17:15:27 GMT -6
The players deserve better. The last few television broadcasts we have had, the analysts are dumbfounded by (The HC we don’t speak of)'s incompetence. Look back through the game threads. Also.. have we forgotten about the alleged conduct unbecoming? There are lots of reasons (The HC we don’t speak of) should move along and I will accept any that make it happen.
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Post by Possum on Nov 9, 2021 17:27:57 GMT -6
I don't think I've seen anyone here Not support the players. I personally feel the players deserve better. They get out there and play their tails off only to have poor decisions cost them close games. That's happened over and over for 3 years. While I respect your opinion, it's in poor form to jump in here with the True Fan mantra. I'd argue that anyone that takes the time to even visit this forum is a Troy die hard fan. I'll leave it at that. This.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 9, 2021 17:29:58 GMT -6
The players deserve better. The last few television broadcasts we have had, the analysts are dumbfounded by (The HC we don’t speak of)'s incompetence. Look back through the game threads. Also.. have we forgotten about the alleged conduct unbecoming? There are lots of reasons (The HC we don’t speak of) should move along and I will accept any that make it happen. Pre season and during the telecasts it has been pretty unanimous. Football guys are not impressed with the Dip.
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Post by trojanocean on Nov 9, 2021 18:52:09 GMT -6
I'm all in with supporting the players. They deserve it. You lose me at anything positive with the current coach. He had his chance. I don't see things getting better. I see things getting worse. Most of the games I've watched have been 2 bad teams playing each other. When we played any true tests of strengths, it was painfully obvious we have a high school calibre coach in over his head and getting schooled from the other sideline. It's hurting Troy, it's hurting players, it's hurting the fans, and he needs to go.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Nov 10, 2021 0:20:29 GMT -6
This is the first post I've written despite my years looking through the site. And I have to say that all I see here is a bunch of whiners who don't understand what Troy football, let alone college football, is. Seeing some people on here expressing that they want the team to lose purely out of spite to (The HC we don’t speak of). These kids on the team don't deserve that, and it's crazy to see some of y'all wishing that on them. Now, (The HC we don’t speak of) has problems, but you're treating him like he's disrespecting one of the great programs of all time, when I'm sorry to say Troy is not. Neal Brown had a good stretch, but you're acting like he didn't start with a 4-8 record in a far easier Sun Belt conference compared to now. I grew up in the Blakeney days where a bowl appearance felt normal, but he's had years that were far worse than (The HC we don’t speak of). There is definite improvement here, and he finally is getting his own guys in here. These kids and coaches are doing good and I want this toxic site fanbase to know that. White Knight detected. Did you feel better about yourself after you posted that? Did you break your arm patting yourself on the back? I want (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) to go because he's a losing coach. He doesn't know HOW to coach, and he gives almost everyone the impression (except to people who believe anyone with the title "coach" is always right) that he doesn't even really want to do the work involved in coaching a football team. In any other line of work, if you can't get the job done after a certain amount of time, you're out. (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) has had more than enough time.
"...you're acting like he didn't start with a 4-8 record..."
Neal Brown sure did, then he knocked out 3 straight 10-3 seasons, won every bowl, and gave Troy it's first AP Top 25 ranking, beat some P5s, one of them ranked, and was one corrupt no-call away from beating #2 Clemson. To contrast that, (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) has gone 5-7, 5-6, and is currently 5-4 which will most likely end at 5-7 with two of the strongest teams to go, and another that's most likely to beat us.
"There is definite improvement here, and he finally is getting his own guys in here."
Improvement from what, pray tell? From himself? Are you suggesting Neal Brown left him in a lurch somehow? Do you think ChipDip is fixing that dumpster fire of the Neal Brown era? A while back I said it's like giving a doctor credit for giving you a band aid after he shoots you in the foot, twice. And you tell other people they know nothing about college football.
It doesn't matter jack squat if Troy is the greatest football program in history or not. It's MY school, and it's MY team, god dammit! And the this team deserves better than (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of), A LOT better!
Before you take it upon yourself to decide who is and who isn't a true fan, look in the mirror and listen to yourself. People want (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) gone so we can win conference championships, beat some P5s, and win bowl games. You LOOOOOOVE (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) (just admit it, you do) because that picture with him holding hands with the team gave you warm fuzzies and no string of losing seasons is ever going to change that, and any excuse to keep him around is good enough.
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Post by Mr. Ho on Nov 10, 2021 7:48:25 GMT -6
There is a sharp difference between having low expectations and actively rooting against TMTDM. My expectations are pretty low at this point and it has ZERO to do with the players. We have talent. Lots of it. Those that seek pleasure at our expense are loser UA's B team clowns.
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Post by saintflorian on Nov 10, 2021 8:15:57 GMT -6
This is the first post I've written despite my years looking through the site. And I have to say that all I see here is a bunch of whiners who don't understand what Troy football, let alone college football, is. Seeing some people on here expressing that they want the team to lose purely out of spite to (The HC we don’t speak of). These kids on the team don't deserve that, and it's crazy to see some of y'all wishing that on them. Now, (The HC we don’t speak of) has problems, but you're treating him like he's disrespecting one of the great programs of all time, when I'm sorry to say Troy is not. Neal Brown had a good stretch, but you're acting like he didn't start with a 4-8 record in a far easier Sun Belt conference compared to now. I grew up in the Blakeney days where a bowl appearance felt normal, but he's had years that were far worse than (The HC we don’t speak of). There is definite improvement here, and he finally is getting his own guys in here. These kids and coaches are doing good and I want this toxic site fanbase to know that. truetroyfan, Do you believe (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay should be given an extension and be the HC for the next three years ? (FYI, Troy has paid (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay $2.4 million for the last three years, after taking over a multiple 10-win a year program)
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Post by Troystet on Nov 10, 2021 8:34:17 GMT -6
This is the first post I've written despite my years looking through the site. And I have to say that all I see here is a bunch of whiners who don't understand what Troy football, let alone college football, is. Seeing some people on here expressing that they want the team to lose purely out of spite to (The HC we don’t speak of). These kids on the team don't deserve that, and it's crazy to see some of y'all wishing that on them. Now, (The HC we don’t speak of) has problems, but you're treating him like he's disrespecting one of the great programs of all time, when I'm sorry to say Troy is not. Neal Brown had a good stretch, but you're acting like he didn't start with a 4-8 record in a far easier Sun Belt conference compared to now. I grew up in the Blakeney days where a bowl appearance felt normal, but he's had years that were far worse than (The HC we don’t speak of). There is definite improvement here, and he finally is getting his own guys in here. These kids and coaches are doing good and I want this toxic site fanbase to know that. truetroyfan, Do you believe (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay should be given an extension and be the HC for the next three years ? (FYI, Troy has paid (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay $2.4 million for the last three years, after taking over a multiple 10-win a year program) This guy is probably (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) or a relative. When he said that we are showing improvement and Neal Brown had it easier than (The HC we don’t speak of) he lost everyone
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Nov 10, 2021 8:58:07 GMT -6
truetroyfan , Do you believe (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay should be given an extension and be the HC for the next three years ? (FYI, Troy has paid (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay $2.4 million for the last three years, after taking over a multiple 10-win a year program) This guy is probably (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) or a relative. When he said that we are showing improvement and Neal Brown had it easier than (The HC we don’t speak of) he lost everyone Is (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) anywhere near as good as Neal Brown? No, not in the same universe. Is the Sun belt tougher now than it was then? Absolutely. Louisiana and Coastal were not nearly as good as they are now. Does it matter? No. (The HC we don’t speak of) has to rise to the occasion, and he has not. No excuses. Neal Brown has a much tougher schedule now, and he is struggling bad. No excuses. Neal was great for Troy, but I'm not so sure I'd be down for round two. Just not a fan of reigniting old flames.
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Post by trojantke on Nov 10, 2021 9:24:07 GMT -6
Is (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) anywhere near as good as Neal Brown? No, not in the same universe. Is the Sun belt tougher now than it was then? Absolutely. Louisiana and Coastal were not nearly as good as they are now. Does it matter? No. (The HC we don’t speak of) has to rise to the occasion, and he has not. No excuses. Neal Brown has a much tougher schedule now, and he is struggling bad. No excuses. Neal was great for Troy, but I'm not so sure I'd be down for round two. Just not a fan of reigniting old flames. You are a crazy person. If Coach Neal Harmon Brown agreed to come back to Troy I would walk to West Virginia and give he, Brooke, and the kids a bicycle gondola ride all the way back to God's Country.
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Post by trojanmatt on Nov 10, 2021 9:29:13 GMT -6
If you don’t agree with Biden right now or Trump previously does it make you unpatriotic? No. Some would argue that you are more patriotic because you care! No one here has been negative towards the players, but on the contrary the consensus is that we are winning on talent alone and if not for the high level of talent we would be in a much much worse position! We are a program with a great heritage having success at every level that we have ever competed on and I accept nothing less! Are we going to win a national championship? Probably not but we want to compete for conference championships, go bowling, and play anyone anywhere anytime.
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Post by foulpolephenom on Nov 10, 2021 11:00:54 GMT -6
If you don’t agree with Biden right now or Trump previously does it make you unpatriotic? No. Some would argue that you are more patriotic because you care! No one here has been negative towards the players, but on the contrary the consensus is that we are winning on talent alone and if not for the high level of talent we would be in a much much worse position! We are a program with a great heritage having success at every level that we have ever competed on and I accept nothing less! Are we going to win a national championship? Probably not but we want to compete for conference championships, go bowling, and play anyone anywhere anytime. If you wish for either to fail yes.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Nov 10, 2021 12:27:39 GMT -6
Is (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) anywhere near as good as Neal Brown? No, not in the same universe. Is the Sun belt tougher now than it was then? Absolutely. Louisiana and Coastal were not nearly as good as they are now. Does it matter? No. (The HC we don’t speak of) has to rise to the occasion, and he has not. No excuses. Neal Brown has a much tougher schedule now, and he is struggling bad. No excuses. Neal was great for Troy, but I'm not so sure I'd be down for round two. Just not a fan of reigniting old flames. You are a crazy person. If Coach Neal Harmon Brown agreed to come back to Troy I would walk to West Virginia and give he, Brooke, and the kids a bicycle gondola ride all the way back to God's Country. You're making the assumption that things would be exactly as they were. There's no indication that it would. Not sure if his staff would follow him back to Troy, or if we could get VK back on staff. There is some historical evidence to suggest retreads don't pan out. I like Neal Brown, love what he did at Troy, and think he's world's better than (The HC we don’t speak of). But if his record at WVU and inability win big games there follows him back to Troy, we'd have to give him the boot. It's worth noting that his time at WVU is a near mirror to (The HC we don’t speak of)'s time at Troy. WVU fans are sick of the terrible offensive playcalling. Defense is carrying that team, and it's very unlikely they will be bowl eligible. I'm sure I'd find a way to be excited about it if he came back to Troy if it actually did happen, but some of you are making it out to be a slam dunk, and I just don't think it is. I think my concerns are legitimate.
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Post by Troy_Fan_15 on Nov 10, 2021 12:52:16 GMT -6
You are a crazy person. If Coach Neal Harmon Brown agreed to come back to Troy I would walk to West Virginia and give he, Brooke, and the kids a bicycle gondola ride all the way back to God's Country. You're making the assumption that things would be exactly as they were. There's no indication that it would. Not sure if his staff would follow him back to Troy, or if we could get VK back on staff. There is some historical evidence to suggest retreads don't pan out. I like Neal Brown, love what he did at Troy, and think he's world's better than (The HC we don’t speak of). But if his record at WVU and inability win big games there follows him back to Troy, we'd have to give him the boot. It's worth noting that his time at WVU is a near mirror to (The HC we don’t speak of)'s time at Troy. WVU fans are sick of the terrible offensive playcalling. Defense is carrying that team, and it's very unlikely they will be bowl eligible. I'm sure I'd find a way to be excited about it if he came back to Troy if it actually did happen, but some of you are making it out to be a slam dunk, and I just don't think it is. I think my concerns are legitimate. I think NB and Frost are having similar experiences that winning in the G5 is more attainable than winning in the P5, especially with WVU. I definitely would have him back if he wanted to come back but I would also want him treated like any other coach. If we don't right the ship then he is gone. Troy will always be in the predicament that a coach won't make much more than $1M most likely even if they become real successful, i.e. like Napier.
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Post by pctrojan16 on Nov 10, 2021 14:02:15 GMT -6
Think the whole hate the sin love the sinner mentality needs to be had. Love and support Troy but dislike who is in charge. IMHO hold outs are just entitled children throwing a tantrum cause they did not get there way. These are kids, and every game I go to I see a former players face light up when he sees me at Trojan Walk, the athletes and institution are who I am behind
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 10, 2021 15:13:40 GMT -6
This thread is kind of all over the place but think about: Cam Newton (Auburn) Malik Willis (Liberty) Mackenzie Milton (UCF) What's his face (Coastal Carolina). The point being a team can really have a good year when you get those special guys heck even Gardner Menshew (Washington State) (oops was at Troy but we did ok in those years) A truly dynamic great college QB makes a 7-5 an 11-1 or something like that. Look at Joe Burrow (LSU) over and over. Most teams in conferences have some pretty equal talent at the top of the conference the difference is that dynamic quarterback. Last year What's his face beat us in the last minute basically and is the main reason why Coastal has had the last two seasons they have had. You can have all the mullets and antics you wish but having THAT guy at QB makes a BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG difference. Like said previously, even (The HC we don’t speak of) could win big with those guys............................................................well it is (The HC we don’t speak of) so............................go 8-4.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 10, 2021 15:25:59 GMT -6
This thread is kind of all over the place but think about: Cam Newton (Auburn) Malik Willis (Liberty) Mackenzie Milton (UCF) What's his face (Coastal Carolina). The point being a team can really have a good year when you get those special guys heck even Gardner Menshew (Washington State) (oops was at Troy but we did ok in those years) A truly dynamic great college QB makes a 7-5 an 11-1 or something like that. Look at Joe Burrow (LSU) over and over. Most teams in conferences have some pretty equal talent at the top of the conference the difference is that dynamic quarterback. Last year What's his face beat us in the last minute basically and is the main reason why Coastal has had the last two seasons they have had. You can have all the mullets and antics you wish but having THAT guy at QB makes a BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG difference. Like said previously, even (The HC we don’t speak of) could win big with those guys............................................................well it is (The HC we don’t speak of) so............................go 8-4. Nope. Fester has Watson but continues to play Powell. Tom Brady would ride the bench at Troy under Fester so Powell could start.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Nov 10, 2021 15:30:01 GMT -6
Nope. Fester has Watson but continues to play Powell. Curious as to what you mean by that.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Nov 10, 2021 15:37:53 GMT -6
This guy is probably (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) or a relative. When he said that we are showing improvement and Neal Brown had it easier than (The HC we don’t speak of) he lost everyone Is (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) anywhere near as good as Neal Brown? No, not in the same universe. Is the Sun belt tougher now than it was then? Absolutely. Louisiana and Coastal were not nearly as good as they are now. Does it matter? No. (The HC we don’t speak of) has to rise to the occasion, and he has not. No excuses. Neal Brown has a much tougher schedule now, and he is struggling bad. No excuses. Neal was great for Troy, but I'm not so sure I'd be down for round two. Just not a fan of reigniting old flames. Oh, I didn't realize that LSU, Nebraska, and Clemson were all in the Sun Belt in Neal Brown's time. That must be what made them so easy.
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