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Post by Troystet on Oct 11, 2021 7:09:06 GMT -6
Serious question. I can tell you as a basically nobody former player that several " HIGH" profile former players can't stand him and have already formed a committee that is ready to go to help in a search committee for the University (Fact). The weakness I see in him aside from his off field character is a blah personality that does not drum excitement with students, fans, donors or former players. His offense is lack luster and boring and he doesn't make game or half time adjustments. His discipline and player development is lackluster, he has yet to beat a good team, has gotten blown out by great teams and has even lost to bad teams. Is going 6-6 or 7-5 and being Bowl eligible now the standard for Troy football?? I am seriously asking this administration or his supporters what gives him a contract extension or not getting dismissed at the end of this season??
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 11, 2021 7:18:45 GMT -6
Difficult to say this that people will believe. Keeping him is not in the cards unless 9 wins. If he is replaced right now bowl not out of question. If we wait HE is still gone but more Prozac and Prilosec for the fan base. If we act now I think we go to a bowl. Simply put ANYONE can call plays as well as (The HC we don’t speak of) and I mean almost anyone.
Oh, your title: Reasons to keep (The HC we don’t speak of) The answer to that is nothing.
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Post by cornhole on Oct 11, 2021 7:35:29 GMT -6
Serious question. I can tell you as a basically nobody former player that several " HIGH" profile former players can't stand him and have already formed a committee that is ready to go to help in a search committee for the University (Fact). The weakness I see in him aside from his off field character is a blah personality that does not drum excitement with students, fans, donors or former players. His offense is lack luster and boring and he doesn't make game or half time adjustments. His discipline and player development is lackluster, he has yet to beat a good team, has gotten blown out by great teams and has even lost to bad teams. Is going 6-6 or 7-5 and being Bowl eligible now the standard for Troy football?? I am seriously asking this administration or his supporters what gives him a contract extension or not getting dismissed at the end of this season?? Unfortunately, the present world of Hiring and firing most any staffers (Head coaches included) involves legal, contractural and financial issues beyond what us average Joe's (or even some if you self-ordained know-it-alls) would consider in making such an important change. Do you want ANOTHER knee-jerk, quik pik solution for Troy Football's Head Coach? Do you want to be in this same situation three years from now? Do you just sell a car for cash, hand your customer the key and say "Have a nice Day??" Nah, you have a sales agreement rife with pages of if's, ands and buts, arbitration and hold harmless clauses. Liability disclaimers etc, etc. Financing documents, bank forms. Florida State titles and transfers docs, takes time doesn't it?? Welcome to business in 2021. It is what it is and time will tell. "They" will let us know (or not) when "They" have covered all their a$$es. Not to mention planning for what happens tomorrow, and then where do we go from here? Sit back, relax it's just the new Sound of......
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Oct 11, 2021 8:11:10 GMT -6
DT does not want to but would gladly have the head scratcher for another season over making another trash hire or letting the Hawkins be involved again.
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Post by cornhole on Oct 11, 2021 8:25:58 GMT -6
DT does not want to but would gladly have the head scratcher for another season over making another trash hire or letting the Hawkins be involved again. Unfortunately, the Hawkins involvement is a given. It's just Troy University. Maybe they learned from this.
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Post by gator8 on Oct 11, 2021 8:35:18 GMT -6
DT does not want to but would gladly have the head scratcher for another season over making another trash hire or letting the Hawkins be involved again. Unfortunately, the Hawkins involvement is a given. It's just Troy University. Maybe they learned from this. I'm hoping so. If Hawkins pushed for (The HC we don’t speak of) so bad, it makes me wonder if that hire was a reaction to having his ego hurt by the Hartwell era. Hartwell cleaned house of so many people he loved (Blakeney, Maestri and especially Davis), and it makes me think Hawkins wanted to reassert his control â maybe prove he's still got "it" when it comes to running both academics and athletics. I know it's been years since Hartwell has been here, but Hartwell strongly suggested the McClain hire.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Oct 11, 2021 9:08:39 GMT -6
I suspect the only reason to keep him is financial. I hope that one of the “GEEKS” over at the business school realizes the loss of revenue is because of Fester and not blame the coof.
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Post by cb36353 on Oct 11, 2021 9:23:45 GMT -6
Not one!
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 11, 2021 10:14:58 GMT -6
Serious question. I can tell you as a basically nobody former player that several " HIGH" profile former players can't stand him and have already formed a committee that is ready to go to help in a search committee for the University (Fact). The weakness I see in him aside from his off field character is a blah personality that does not drum excitement with students, fans, donors or former players. His offense is lack luster and boring and he doesn't make game or half time adjustments. His discipline and player development is lackluster, he has yet to beat a good team, has gotten blown out by great teams and has even lost to bad teams. Is going 6-6 or 7-5 and being Bowl eligible now the standard for Troy football?? I am seriously asking this administration or his supporters what gives him a contract extension or not getting dismissed at the end of this season?? Unfortunately, the present world of Hiring and firing most any staffers (Head coaches included) involves legal, contractural and financial issues beyond what us average Joe's (or even some if you self-ordained know-it-alls) would consider in making such an important change. Do you want ANOTHER knee-jerk, quik pik solution for Troy Football's Head Coach? Do you want to be in this same situation three years from now? Do you just sell a car for cash, hand your customer the key and say "Have a nice Day??" Nah, you have a sales agreement rife with pages of if's, ands and buts, arbitration and hold harmless clauses. Liability disclaimers etc, etc. Financing documents, bank forms. Florida State titles and transfers docs, takes time doesn't it?? Welcome to business in 2021. It is what it is and time will tell. "They" will let us know (or not) when "They" have covered all their a$$es. Not to mention planning for what happens tomorrow, and then where do we go from here? Sit back, relax it's just the new Sound of...... Spot on Corn. There are âissuesâ with his contract. Itâs not just going into his office and say get out. CL getting fired is not a done deal. (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay getting a two year extension after this year is not out of the question. CL getting released Certainly is probable and the right thing for the program. But be on the lookout, If CL gets to 7 wins or maybe 6 wins and a bowl game, Hawkins might go with the two year deal with a giant cut in pay for CL. The Administration doesnât have to admit a bad hire and they get a huge break in cost. Which they love. And they hope as h*LL CL wins. Itâs not likely but possible, especially if the players give CL a vote of confidence. Hawkins love when the players do that. Just something to watch out for.....ð To answer Troystet OP, itâs time for CL to move on, his time is done.
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Post by trojanmatt on Oct 11, 2021 10:25:59 GMT -6
If we want to win there is no reason to keep (The HC we don’t speak of). It should be at least 9 wins to determine whether he is here next year . Unless we win out that is not happening but I have heard that anything less than 7-5 is the number that sends him packing. Unfortunately that gives him an opportunity to lose 3 more before he is let go.
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Post by trojans09 on Oct 11, 2021 14:05:13 GMT -6
Serious question. I can tell you as a basically nobody former player that several " HIGH" profile former players can't stand him and have already formed a committee that is ready to go to help in a search committee for the University (Fact). The weakness I see in him aside from his off field character is a blah personality that does not drum excitement with students, fans, donors or former players. His offense is lack luster and boring and he doesn't make game or half time adjustments. His discipline and player development is lackluster, he has yet to beat a good team, has gotten blown out by great teams and has even lost to bad teams. Is going 6-6 or 7-5 and being Bowl eligible now the standard for Troy football?? I am seriously asking this administration or his supporters what gives him a contract extension or not getting dismissed at the end of this season?? Unfortunately, the present world of Hiring and firing most any staffers (Head coaches included) involves legal, contractural and financial issues beyond what us average Joe's (or even some if you self-ordained know-it-alls) would consider in making such an important change. Do you want ANOTHER knee-jerk, quik pik solution for Troy Football's Head Coach? Do you want to be in this same situation three years from now? Do you just sell a car for cash, hand your customer the key and say "Have a nice Day??" Nah, you have a sales agreement rife with pages of if's, ands and buts, arbitration and hold harmless clauses. Liability disclaimers etc, etc. Financing documents, bank forms. Florida State titles and transfers docs, takes time doesn't it?? Welcome to business in 2021. It is what it is and time will tell. "They" will let us know (or not) when "They" have covered all their a$$es. Not to mention planning for what happens tomorrow, and then where do we go from here? Sit back, relax it's just the new Sound of...... If Troy wanted to fire him mid year they could do it. How many other schools fire coaches mid year. If his contract is that iron proof that we have to wait around to let time run out, then we screwed up from day 1.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Oct 11, 2021 14:11:44 GMT -6
Unfortunately, the present world of Hiring and firing most any staffers (Head coaches included) involves legal, contractural and financial issues beyond what us average Joe's (or even some if you self-ordained know-it-alls) would consider in making such an important change. Do you want ANOTHER knee-jerk, quik pik solution for Troy Football's Head Coach? Do you want to be in this same situation three years from now? Do you just sell a car for cash, hand your customer the key and say "Have a nice Day??" Nah, you have a sales agreement rife with pages of if's, ands and buts, arbitration and hold harmless clauses. Liability disclaimers etc, etc. Financing documents, bank forms. Florida State titles and transfers docs, takes time doesn't it?? Welcome to business in 2021. It is what it is and time will tell. "They" will let us know (or not) when "They" have covered all their a$$es. Not to mention planning for what happens tomorrow, and then where do we go from here? Sit back, relax it's just the new Sound of...... If Troy wanted to fire him mid year they could do it. How many other schools fire coaches mid year. If his contract is that iron proof that we have to wait around to let time run out, then we screwed up from day 1. I'm thinking this is the case.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 11, 2021 15:46:45 GMT -6
Is going 6-6 or 7-5 and being Bowl eligible now the standard for Troy football?? I think for many fans, unfortunately, it is. If you think, "A win is a win." then yeah, 7-5 is just fine.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 11, 2021 16:33:17 GMT -6
If Troy wanted to fire him mid year they could do it. How many other schools fire coaches mid year. If his contract is that iron proof that we have to wait around to let time run out, then we screwed up from day 1. I'm thinking this is the case. This is why you let Brandon be interim. Give him 100,000 K more if you can for rest of this year and a whole year next year..............which runs out in fiscal Sept 30th. Then you increase to X dollars as a trial. Put a good long search but knowing that your actual coach may well already be here. He gets a real shot. Festus is off to the side doing nothing and out of the way. Festus is a dead end and I don't care if he goes 7-5 he has shown nothing other than getting some pretty good players but I have been impressed with Hall's defense and he is right age and hungry.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 17, 2021 12:50:30 GMT -6
Ok so we sit 4-3 and not a one of us thinks we will go better than 7-5 and almost all of us think 4-8 to 6-6 is almost certain. So Right here and now will pledge to make a sign to resign (The HC we don’t speak of) if he can even go 8-4 the rest of regular season and will post it on a prominent thoroughfare in Troy. I know he should win 9 for (The HC we don’t speak of) to stay but if this dude can figure out a way of getting the team to 8-4 without Hall winning the game like Tejas State He will have shown an ability that he does not have in him.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 17, 2021 13:24:59 GMT -6
Please note the word I used.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 18, 2021 6:21:59 GMT -6
The #1 reason we will keep (The HC we don’t speak of) and That's The Bottom Line because Dear Leader said so!!
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Post by cornhole on Oct 18, 2021 9:38:20 GMT -6
Unfortunately, the Hawkins involvement is a given. It's just Troy University. Maybe they learned from this. I'm hoping so. If Hawkins pushed for (The HC we don’t speak of) so bad, it makes me wonder if that hire was a reaction to having his ego hurt by the Hartwell era. Hartwell cleaned house of so many people he loved (Blakeney, Maestri and especially Davis), and it makes me think Hawkins wanted to reassert his control â maybe prove he's still got "it" when it comes to running both academics and athletics. I know it's been years since Hartwell has been here, but Hartwell strongly suggested the McClain hire. Just my take on the Hartwell era. Troy Athletics were # last in the Conference Bubas Cup Standings at the time Chancellor Hawkins was Chairman of the Sunbelt Conference Governance Board. I presume that Chancellor Hawkins made the move to hire an objective outsider (Hartwell) to do the dirty work of cleaning house of the Chancellor's and Steve Dennis' coaching "friends" who were comfortable with Athletic mediocrity. I do not for a second think that Chancellor Hawkin's ego was affected by the Hartwell era; quite the opposite. It was a planned hire to take Troy University out of the cellar of the Conference Cup race. Just FYI, Troy currently stands #6 of 12 programs in the Conference Vic Bubas Cup. Details here > sunbeltsports.org/sports/2014/1/8/theBubasCup.aspx
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Post by Troystet on Oct 18, 2021 9:54:44 GMT -6
I'm hoping so. If Hawkins pushed for (The HC we don’t speak of) so bad, it makes me wonder if that hire was a reaction to having his ego hurt by the Hartwell era. Hartwell cleaned house of so many people he loved (Blakeney, Maestri and especially Davis), and it makes me think Hawkins wanted to reassert his control â maybe prove he's still got "it" when it comes to running both academics and athletics. I know it's been years since Hartwell has been here, but Hartwell strongly suggested the McClain hire. Just my take on the Hartwell era. Troy Athletics were # last in the Conference Bubas Cup Standings at the time Chancellor Hawkins was Chairman of the Sunbelt Conference Governance Board. I presume that Chancellor Hawkins made the move to hire an objective outsider (Hartwell) to do the dirty work of cleaning house of the Chancellor's and Steve Dennis' coaching "friends" who were comfortable with Athletic mediocrity. I do not for a second think that Chancellor Hawkin's ego was affected by the Hartwell era; quite the opposite. It was a planned hire to take Troy University out of the cellar of the Conference Cup race. Just FYI, Troy currently stands #6 of 12 programs in the Conference Vic Bubas Cup. Details here > sunbeltsports.org/sports/2014/1/8/theBubasCup.aspxThank God for Chandra and WBB scoring a 12 and Women's Indoor T/F scoring a 10 and Softball a 9. Football is a 5, Men's BB a big fat "1", Men's Golf a 2. Revenue sports for men are a "5" and "1". No Excuse for that kind of Mediocrity with arguably the best football facility and THE BEST basketball arena in the conference. Also we are ranked ahead of two schools that don't even play football. Take away UTA and ARLR and the only schools we are ahead of are App St, GATA, Georgia Comuter College and ULM
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Post by cornhole on Oct 18, 2021 10:31:00 GMT -6
Just my take on the Hartwell era. Troy Athletics were # last in the Conference Bubas Cup Standings at the time Chancellor Hawkins was Chairman of the Sunbelt Conference Governance Board. I presume that Chancellor Hawkins made the move to hire an objective outsider (Hartwell) to do the dirty work of cleaning house of the Chancellor's and Steve Dennis' coaching "friends" who were comfortable with Athletic mediocrity. I do not for a second think that Chancellor Hawkin's ego was affected by the Hartwell era; quite the opposite. It was a planned hire to take Troy University out of the cellar of the Conference Cup race. Just FYI, Troy currently stands #6 of 12 programs in the Conference Vic Bubas Cup. Details here > sunbeltsports.org/sports/2014/1/8/theBubasCup.aspxThank God for Chandra and WBB scoring a 12 and Women's Indoor T/F scoring a 10 and Softball a 9. Football is a 5, Men's BB a big fat "1", Men's Golf a 2. Revenue sports for men are a "5" and "1". No Excuse for that kind of Mediocrity with arguably the best football facility and THE BEST basketball arena in the conference. Also we are ranked ahead of two schools that don't even play football. Take away UTA and ARLR and the only schools we are ahead of are App St, GATA, Georgia Comuter College and ULM Unfortunately Hartwell did hire a "buddy" who failed to improve on the men's BB situation. cornhole has great hopes that Scott Cross be The One.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 21, 2021 20:03:46 GMT -6
Since there were no valid reasons given for (The HC we don’t speak of) still being a coach let alone the head coach, let us begin one word summations of his coaching abilities. Here is a few to start Pathetic Simpleton Non-existent
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Post by cornhole on Oct 22, 2021 6:39:56 GMT -6
Since there were no valid reasons given for (The HC we don’t speak of) still being a coach let alone the head coach, let us begin one word summations of his coaching abilities. Here is a few to start Pathetic Simpleton Non-existent "Peter". As in Peter Principle.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 22, 2021 7:00:06 GMT -6
These two will decide if (The HC we don’t speak of) stays or goes unfortunately
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 25, 2021 10:18:01 GMT -6
I have TWO possible ways I could still support (The HC we don’t speak of) into next year. First win out................................chances are probably 180,000 to 1 against PLUS if he did win out I would want to hear his take on halloween candies like Mike Leach did. I think he might need a teleprompter to do it but he would have to convince me something is actually running around up in that Great Pumpkin head of his.
If you have not watched Leach, he is at least entertaining.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 25, 2021 10:56:34 GMT -6
First win out................................chances are probably 180,000 to 1 against
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