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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 27, 2021 8:02:20 GMT -6
I personally don't know Coach Sumrall, but apparently a lot of my Troy friends do. I remember on game days when they would leave the tailgate and say they were going to go chat with Coach Sumrall. I always wondered how the heck a coach had time to chat on game days, but apparently he made time visit a few tailgates and talk to the fans. It should also be said, that if we wanted a program modeled after XHCNB, then I think Sumrall could possibly be the guy to do it. I'm not campaigning for Coach Sumrall, I just wanted to share my limited memory of his time at Troy. Jon could connect with anyone, win you over without trying. His enthusiasm was contagious, and it showed in his players. Worked in HCNB system. Hindsight 20/20, three years hence, Troy Football forum not in meltdown mode 2.5 years later. Facts. Pesky ole facts.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 27, 2021 8:33:07 GMT -6
Jon could connect with anyone, win you over without trying. His enthusiasm was contagious, and it showed in his players. Worked in HCNB system. Hindsight 20/20, three years hence, Troy Football forum not in meltdown mode 2.5 years later. Facts. Pesky ole facts. JS nice guy. Good to talk to. But those are opinions, not facts. Just sayin’
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 27, 2021 8:35:28 GMT -6
No he shouldn’t have. There numerous better candidates both now and then. What is the fascination with this guy with some of y’all on this board ? He a nice guy and all but nothing he has done proves he can run a program. No. He needs to marinate where he is, prove himself. I don't get it either. Obviously he has some buddies here trying to position him for the job. Yes. That is the danger, pushing to hire your buddy instead of the right person at the right time has seen programs totally melt into disaster
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Post by cornhole on Sept 27, 2021 8:40:23 GMT -6
I don't get it either. Obviously he has some buddies here trying to position him for the job. Yes. That is the danger, pushing to hire your buddy instead of the right person at the right time has seen programs totally melt into disaster Repeat: honestly, yes. There are some guys here who have witnessed college ball for over half a century EACH and recognize a winner. sumrall is experienced, juiced, has the skillset and IS a winner. Just needs the opportunity somewhere. You'll read about his sucesss someday, hope that it's at troy.
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Post by foulpolephenom on Sept 27, 2021 8:40:35 GMT -6
I don't get it either. Obviously he has some buddies here trying to position him for the job. Yes. That is the danger, pushing to hire your buddy instead of the right person at the right time has seen programs totally melt into disaster But does anyone really know who the right person is? Many people think Jon is, and maybe he is. But you never know who the right person is until they come in and do a good job. Many didn't think Neal was the right person right away but he came in and changed people's minds.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 27, 2021 8:41:58 GMT -6
Yes. That is the danger, pushing to hire your buddy instead of the right person at the right time has seen programs totally melt into disaster Repeat: honestly, yes. There are some guys here who have witnessed college ball for over half a century EACH and recognize a winner. (INSERT ALOT OF COACHS NAME HERE) is experienced, juiced, has the skillset and IS a winner. Just needs the opportunity somewhere. You'll read about his sucesss someday, hope that it's at troy. Ok but you can say that about a lot of coaches. See above.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 27, 2021 8:44:03 GMT -6
Yes. That is the danger, pushing to hire your buddy instead of the right person at the right time has seen programs totally melt into disaster But does anyone really know who the right person is? Many people think Jon is, and maybe he is. But you never know who the right person is until they come in and do a good job. Many didn't think Neal was the right person right away but he came in and changed people's minds. For sure. Nothing is guaranteed, nobody can predict the future. People here, people in the Administration all have their own thoughts and opinions. Every Coaching hire at every school is a roll of the dice at some level.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 27, 2021 8:53:58 GMT -6
Curt Cignetti - James Madison. Look him up. Fit for Troy, good oleCan recruit like fire. Proven HEAD Coach, knows how to run an entire program. Agree let’s sit out the SEC coordinators this round 100% agree. Proven HC that wins and his players don't dress like hung over frat boys that woke up 5 minutes before Trojan Walk
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 27, 2021 8:58:18 GMT -6
Curt Cignetti - James Madison. Look him up. Fit for Troy, good oleCan recruit like fire. Proven HEAD Coach, knows how to run an entire program. Agree let’s sit out the SEC coordinators this round 100% agree. Proven HC that wins and his players don't dress like hung over frat boys that woke up 5 minutes before Trojan Walk View AttachmentYeah we have butted heads on this board but it’s damn Good to see you post again. 100% on Cignetti. Guy can recruit. Has turned programs around. Fact. Regardless of what you think about Saban, he knows how to run a program. Cignetti saw it, learned from it and had put it in practice. He is a winner.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 27, 2021 9:00:30 GMT -6
Curt Cignetti - James Madison. Look him up. Fit for Troy, good oleCan recruit like fire. Proven HEAD Coach, knows how to run an entire program. Agree let’s sit out the SEC coordinators this round 100% agree. Proven HC that wins and his players don't dress like hung over frat boys that woke up 5 minutes before Trojan Walk View AttachmentYeah we have butted heads on this board but it’s damn Good to see you post again. 100% on Cignetti. Guy can recruit. Has turned programs around. Fact. Regardless of what you think about Saban, he knows how to run a program. Cignetti saw it, learned from it and had put it in practice. He is a winner. And he's making $425,00 at JMU so we can afford him
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 27, 2021 9:07:47 GMT -6
Yeah we have butted heads on this board but it’s damn Good to see you post again. 100% on Cignetti. Guy can recruit. Has turned programs around. Fact. Regardless of what you think about Saban, he knows how to run a program. Cignetti saw it, learned from it and had put it in practice. He is a winner. And he's making $425,00 at JMU so we can afford him Paying CL $750-$800k. We could double Cignetti salary. And quickly compete for Sunbelt titles while having a program that is run right.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 27, 2021 9:13:55 GMT -6
And he's making $425,00 at JMU so we can afford him Paying CL $750-$800k. We could double Cignetti salary. And quickly compete for Sunbelt titles while having a program that is run right. Georgia Southern might go after him. They had great success with the same route when they hired Fritz
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Post by trojanmatt on Sept 27, 2021 9:32:49 GMT -6
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 4, 2021 15:05:25 GMT -6
I think another good strategy would be to find a red hot coach in the FCS ranks and bring them up. I'm kind of gun shy about bringing in another SEC coordinator with no head coaching experience. If we really want to find outside the box then we could get Billy Napier who used to coach at Louisiana he is the head coach at Gulf Shores High School or Phillip Rivers (yes, THAT Phillip Rivers) retired from the NFL and is now coaching at St. Michael Catholic in Fairhope. Phillip Rivers is not leaving Fairhope. Doesn’t need the money. Curt Cignetti - James Madison. Look him up. Fit for Troy, good oleCan recruit like fire. Proven HEAD Coach, knows how to run an entire program. Agree let’s sit out the SEC coordinators this round. Get Cignetti to Troy. Do it. Do it.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 4, 2021 15:09:54 GMT -6
Phillip Rivers is not leaving Fairhope. Doesn’t need the money. Curt Cignetti - James Madison. Look him up. Fit for Troy, good oleCan recruit like fire. Proven HEAD Coach, knows how to run an entire program. Agree let’s sit out the SEC coordinators this round. Get Cignetti to Troy. Do it. Do it.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 4, 2021 15:12:16 GMT -6
Hire this guy you win next year....GUARANTEED!! He turned two losing programs around right away and maintained excellence at JMU. Was Saban's recruiting coordinator for four years and played and coached under Johnny Majors. Proven Winner
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 4, 2021 15:31:11 GMT -6
View AttachmentHire this guy you win next year....GUARANTEED!! He turned two losing programs around right away and maintained excellence at JMU. Was Saban's recruiting coordinator for four years and played and coached under Johnny Majors. Proven Winner B,b,b,b,b,but...he's not an unproven SEC positions coach! He didn't play for Troy, does he even know where the Piggly Wiggly is? Has he even met Larry Blakeney? I bet he doesn't go to any tailgates before the game! Sorry, if he doesn't have "SEC" on his shirt it's a no-go.
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Post by billable on Oct 4, 2021 16:02:41 GMT -6
look up Shawn or Sean Lewis HC Kent state. has gotten a raise and still makes les than the ol'chipper. his teams have won at a place where it is impossible to win. Kent may have the worst football infrastructure in the country. He was a success as OC at Syracuse .We could get a coach with FBS experience that is within our price range.He lost to Iowa and Texas A&M but they moved the ball and made those teams earn every point.
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Post by Mr. Ho on Oct 4, 2021 19:07:32 GMT -6
View AttachmentHire this guy you win next year....GUARANTEED!! He turned two losing programs around right away and maintained excellence at JMU. Was Saban's recruiting coordinator for four years and played and coached under Johnny Majors. Proven Winner B,b,b,b,b,but...he's not an unproven SEC positions coach! He didn't play for Troy, does he even know where the Piggly Wiggly is? Has he even met Larry Blakeney? I bet he doesn't go to any tailgates before the game! Sorry, if he doesn't have "SEC" on his shirt it's a no-go. Pipe dream. Lateral move at best. Ansley will get a serious look and rightly so...and take out the fact he is TMTDM. He's paid his dues at the highest levels. Seriously, Gruden hired him and Brandon Staley hired him. Getting a major gig in the NFL no joke. Neither is their workload. I like the fact he is defensive minded too...let the OC take care of the Offense. We need attitude on the D-side of the ball. We have it sometimes, but not enough. We needed a stop last week and couldn't get it - granted, the offense and special teams gave up essentially 17pts..
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Post by troyfan on Oct 4, 2021 19:44:25 GMT -6
I personally don't know Coach Sumrall, but apparently a lot of my Troy friends do. I remember on game days when they would leave the tailgate and say they were going to go chat with Coach Sumrall. I always wondered how the heck a coach had time to chat on game days, but apparently he made time visit a few tailgates and talk to the fans. It should also be said, that if we wanted a program modeled after XHCNB, then I think Sumrall could possibly be the guy to do it. I'm not campaigning for Coach Sumrall, I just wanted to share my limited memory of his time at Troy. Again, a nice guy. At this point, We need a proven program builder / re-builder. New Brown was somewhat of lightning in a bottle but he had been running as OC and its responsibilities for 7 or 8 years, and his offense were good. Trying to recreate The Neal Brown experience at Troy with guy who was here while Neal Brown was here and is nice and visits tailgates before games is a mistake. Name a proven program builder? Bill Clark at uab. He's about the only one troy could afford. Was neal brown a proven program builder? No. I wasn't totally on the neal brown train at first but I saw in the first season some change. We took a chance on (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of). It was a bust and now we have to rebuild but honestly who is out there that is a proven program builder?
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Post by asacarter on Oct 4, 2021 19:52:58 GMT -6
Could have had bill Clark but we took NB which worked out. Deion Sanders?? Naw I'm just playing. Just no mess from Auburn
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 4, 2021 19:59:50 GMT -6
I had mentioned making Hall the interim coach now instead of staying the course with âThe great Pumpkinâ. At least you may have another choice if things did turn around. My fear is several fold if we donât do this. First would Hall stick around with another head coach? Second, Hallâs defense is pretty dang gone salty and he will probably get some offers with his trending. If either of those are to occur he is out of here and we start over on the D side of the ball. Not something I would look forward to at this juncture. So make him interim and see where your Chips fall! Keeping (The HC we don’t speak of) is loaded with bad juju. At present only rational thing to do if he truly is a goner and I believe he is.
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Post by asacarter on Oct 4, 2021 20:10:41 GMT -6
Many top assistants in Fbs make much more than we will pay. Now 600k in Troy is like 1.5 million somewhere else cost of living and such. Now the allure of having control and building Troy back to the winner it can be then make the jump is great. I think most of us feel chippy plan was that but he ruined it. I like the idea of Hall as an interim. We definitely cant wait until December to get chippy outta here.
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Post by trojany2k on Oct 4, 2021 23:32:35 GMT -6
B,b,b,b,b,but...he's not an unproven SEC positions coach! He didn't play for Troy, does he even know where the Piggly Wiggly is? Has he even met Larry Blakeney? I bet he doesn't go to any tailgates before the game! Sorry, if he doesn't have "SEC" on his shirt it's a no-go. Pipe dream. Lateral move at best. Ansley will get a serious look and rightly so...and take out the fact he is TMTDM. He's paid his dues at the highest levels. Seriously, Gruden hired him and Brandon Staley hired him. Getting a major gig in the NFL no joke. Neither is their workload. I like the fact he is defensive minded too...let the OC take care of the Offense. We need attitude on the D-side of the ball. We have it sometimes, but not enough. We needed a stop last week and couldn't get it - granted, the offense and special teams gave up essentially 17pts.. I tend to enjoy your post but your obsession with Ansley is just that, Obsessive! To say that we need “attitude” on the D-side of the ball is worrisome as well. We definitely don’t need to worry about the D-side right now.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 5, 2021 3:58:45 GMT -6
Do we want to gamble on a NFL db coach who we don't know has any intangibles for being a HC or building a staff? Maybe he does but it's a gamble. Hire the JMU coach and you know he has the intangibles. Nick Saban hired him and put him in charge of recruiting. Took two losing programs and turned them around and maintained excellence at JMU
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