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Post by buzzlightyear on Feb 13, 2021 17:18:45 GMT -6
Please get vaccinated when you can. 1) The only thing sped up in their development was the bureaucratic side. This committee and that one were condensed. They basically spent all their time looking at the data simultaneously. 2) The technology for Messenger RNA development is actually about 20 years old. So much of the work was already done. 3) The genome (how the virus is put together was actually known before the end of 2019.
What about those getting Covid after being fully vaccinated? There is data even with the South African type that the people getting it are asymptomatic and or mild disease 100% so far. That is impossible to continue because NOTHING in medicine is 100% 4 cases talked about in Oregon today were two weeks out from their second vaccine. ALL 4 MILD OR ASYMPTOMATIC 1) What we already know about RNA virus has been pretty consistent with this one. We seem to not want to make assumptions based on that WELL KNOWN information. 2) Those people in Oregon may not have had much of a reaction after the second shot. TYPICALLY the more a reaction the more immunity is being INDUCED. This is NOT 100% but it is MUCH more likely the case. ….if those individuals were "mild shot responders" the great news is that they still have mild disease or are asymptomatic.
. We have experience with other RNA virus that the immunity from the disease is lessened at around 3 months and may be gone...………………..HOWEVER, seldom is the disease that may follow again as significant as the first disease due to our wonderful immune systems memory.
It is very likely that 9 months to a year that for now there will be a booster. . Other topics about this. If you had the disease and get the shot and have a several day reaction to it...………………...HOLD off on the second shot...………….YOU are ok...…………...THE CDC will eventually get around to changing this officially. If you had the disease you are probably pretty good shape till after 5 months even if turning up positive again...……………….Again this is not 100% but if you are younger and have trouble getting the shot you are in pretty good shape from the native disease. ……………………………….BUT IF YOU WERE ONLY ASYMPTOMATIC this could still be true but not in as high a percentage. . . If you qualify under EAU (emergency authorization utilization) and contract the disease get GET the Bamlanivimab as early as you can.. If you receive the BAM BAM you will have to wait until 90 days to get the vaccine. WE DO NOT KNOW THIS PART for certain. They are using 5 x the terminal half life of the monoclonal antibody,. (That is the slowest that it takes to degenerate to 1/2 the original amount.) Typically for a drug or something entirely there is 5 to 6 half lives of that drug. There is absolutely no knowledge if the vaccine would react to a little of it left or even a lot of it left. Since the half life may average 10 days or 12 days then the potential for RISK as a vulnerable person would be after 30 to 60 days after BAM BAM (meaning as early as 30 days) So PLEASE BE CAREFUL
To once again be normal we will have to have vaccination as a huge part of program. I know all of you are exhausted by experts. I am a pediatrician with just a strong interest into epidemiology. 90% of what we see are virus diseases and we immunize huge numbers of people (some of them older the just young kids).
I am not so smart but the non-sense that I hear on TV or in the press would scare the average person. The numbers have been much more predictable over time without an agenda. God is in charge and He helped us develop these vaccines (along with every other medicine in my opinion)
. If any of you have any questions you could PM and I would be happy to talk about your situation . Vaccines are good. I have directed to date some 500,000 of them to be given.
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Feb 15, 2021 9:59:07 GMT -6
Got mine a Southeast Hospital in Dothan. Whole process took less than 30 minutes and 15 of that was waiting after I got the shot for an adverse reaction. they had four lanes going,, I think they copied Chick filet
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Feb 15, 2021 15:57:54 GMT -6
Got mine a Southeast Hospital in Dothan. Whole process took less than 30 minutes and 15 of that was waiting after I got the shot for an adverse reaction. they had four lanes going,, I think they copied Chick filet We administered 6073 doses of vaccine last week over 5 days. That's a lot of shots in a 40 hour week.
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Post by cornhole on Feb 15, 2021 16:41:53 GMT -6
Got mine a Southeast Hospital in Dothan. Whole process took less than 30 minutes and 15 of that was waiting after I got the shot for an adverse reaction. they had four lanes going,, I think they copied Chick filet We administered 6073 doses of vaccine last week over 5 days. That's a lot of shots in a 40 hour week. Can cornhole get in line? Was offered a May 6th date at Pike County AL Health dept. 68++ years old, chronic bronchitis, asthma threat... go figure.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Feb 15, 2021 17:12:46 GMT -6
We administered 6073 doses of vaccine last week over 5 days. That's a lot of shots in a 40 hour week. Can cornhole get in line? Was offered a May 6th date at Pike County AL Health dept. 68++ years old, chronic bronchitis, asthma treat... go figure. Yes, BUT...we are about to transition ALL of our electronic medical records info to a new system. Go live date is this Saturday. Until the transition is complete, vaccine appointments have been suspended. There will be a new vaccine appoint link available once the transition is complete (hopefully, next week). I’ve included the link to our website, a link to vaccine info is on the homepage. www.southeasthealth.org
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Post by buzzlightyear on Feb 15, 2021 18:23:37 GMT -6
I have not checked today’s report but as of yesterday the vaccine roll out was about 10% of population in florida had received one or two shots but it varies between counties Alachua 15% Gainesville area Bay 10% Panama City area Dade 8.5% Miami Duval 10% Jacksonville Jackson 13% Marianna Two very small population counties of Dixie and Calhoun both 10 percent Then there is Polk county (Cornhole original land) Lakeland 6.3% kind of makes you wonder what is going on there. My wife also being from there with friends still there trying to get their elderly parents even on a list. The elder person must go on site and choose a time to come for an apt. It does not give them times to choose. Fill out multiple questions and then submit. Then notice that time they chose is not available and then they start again and fill out forms again. There has to be a different system.!!! I kind of doubt everyone has the same system. This is odd since other places work better. Like Southeast I hope that that system they have is scraped soon because like Cornhole I doubt many are picking a Tuesday afternoon in late May at this point
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Feb 15, 2021 19:49:30 GMT -6
I have not checked today’s report but as of yesterday the vaccine roll out was about 10% of population in florida had received one or two shots but it varies between counties Alachua 15% Gainesville area Bay 10% Panama City area Dade 8.5% Miami Duval 10% Jacksonville Jackson 13% Marianna Two very small population counties of Dixie and Calhoun both 10 percent Then there is Polk county (Cornhole original land) Lakeland 6.3% kind of makes you wonder what is going on there. My wife also being from there with friends still there trying to get their elderly parents even on a list. The elder person must go on site and choose a time to come for an apt. It does not give them times to choose. Fill out multiple questions and then submit. Then notice that time they chose is not available and then they start again and fill out forms again. There has to be a different system.!!! I kind of doubt everyone has the same system. This is odd since other places work better. Like Southeast I hope that that system they have is scraped soon because like Cornhole I doubt many are picking a Tuesday afternoon in late May at this point The "system" we are scrapping is our EMR system. We are dumping Mckesson's Paragon and implementing EPIC. It will encompass EVERY function of the hospital and is fully integrated. We will be able to open a patient's chart, a patient who has been there for 6 months, and find any info we need...in one centralized location. Labs, orders, procedure notes, nurses notes, physicians's consults...you name, it will be accessible with the click of a mouse.
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Feb 15, 2021 20:07:54 GMT -6
If the health professionals want to improve the procedure they can. 6,000 in a week! I'm sure that info is available to be distributed. All it takes is a phone call to ask what are you doing so that we can do better.
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Post by cornhole on Feb 15, 2021 20:10:26 GMT -6
If the health professionals want to improve the procedure they can. 6,000 in a week! I'm sure that info is available to be distributed. All it takes is a phone call to ask what are you doing so that we can do better. A phone call? That's just to archaic. If its' not a tweet, text or instagram who bothers anymore!!
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Post by buzzlightyear on Feb 15, 2021 21:06:59 GMT -6
If the health professionals want to improve the procedure they can. 6,000 in a week! I'm sure that info is available to be distributed. All it takes is a phone call to ask what are you doing so that we can do better. A phone call? That's just to archaic. If its' not a tweet, text or instagram who bothers anymore!! Absolutely no human interaction. Now if I could only remember my 33 ever changing passwords and user names I could be so much more efficient. But you guys are right. The best systems are being worked out. No need to reinvent ones that are better at distribution and procedures (like actually giving the shot). Oh but that is real interaction and they (government) likes computers and zoom. Maybe we can get Cornhole to back his bottom up to his computer screen!!!
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Post by Troystet on Feb 16, 2021 10:28:49 GMT -6
We administered 6073 doses of vaccine last week over 5 days. That's a lot of shots in a 40 hour week. Can cornhole get in line? Was offered a May 6th date at Pike County AL Health dept. 68++ years old, chronic bronchitis, asthma threat... go figure. Removing the bag when we get a new coach will really help with the breathing issues. Thought you could use some positive news
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Post by buzzlightyear on Mar 19, 2021 7:00:44 GMT -6
Two nights ago I was watching ABC Nightly News with David Muir and their lead story was that 15 states had greater than 10% in increases in their rolling weekly averages and that 6 had more than 25% increase. I turned to my wife and said "I doubt that this is true but I will look." I did and YEP it is a lie. The attachment is the true data. . As to the exchange between Rand Paul and Dr Fauci yesterday on Capital Hill: The quoting of some infected people in South Africa infected with that variant after having had Covid appears to be those who had incidental Covid or longer time ago (over 5 months) and they are to date appears to be around 2%. If you did not have any illness with your Covid or it has been over 5 months, please get vaccinated. The "second round" appears to be like a second shot. A stronger reaction. Immunity works that way. Disease + shot equals booster= good immunity IN VAST majority!!! Shot 1 + Shot 2 (not J&J) = immunity IN VAST MAJORITY If you get vaccinated and after second shot have NO REACTION you are LIKELY to NOT have mounted a strong immune response and would be in the SMALL group who could CONTRACT covid BUT even then probably have less severe Covid. The numbers are simply not large enough to have an ABSOLUTE but nothing in medicine is absolute. Lastly, for those who look at the NUMBERS and STORIES of anaphylaxis with shots! The rate of children taking PERTUSSIS vaccine (and nearly all do) is 1.35 per MILLION shots and 99.9% are treatable. This comes to about 5 kids a year in the US The number of anaphylaxis so appears to be about 135 in US. We have given over 110 million shots...…………………………….WOW a 1.35 rate per Million anaphylaxis and treatable almost always. There is always NO absolutes in medicine but those are facts. Last comment. Because we do not have definitive information on transmissions after disease (first few months and likely more of those who were sick at least some sickness) and for those vaccinated with transmission that is where Fauci is coming from at present. This is equivalent to being up by 45 points in football with 3 mins to go in the ball game...…………………….YES WE ARE SURE...………….PLUS we are surveilling and we will know. YOU ARE OK WITHOUT A MASK......IF you have some reaction to the shot would be a good guide to follow!!! . I will send the last couple of attachments and the attachment about the lead ABC News Story. Upswing in 15 states uptick in Covid.docx (15.21 KB) Febuary 28th to March 6th update.docx (17.31 KB) March 7th to March 13 th 2021 update.docx (18.53 KB)
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Post by buzzlightyear on Mar 19, 2021 7:07:11 GMT -6
To make it simple at the end of the second two attachments are information about what strict mitigation prior to vaccines has accomplished along with at the end of the third one is a story about Europe and what it means in reality. Yes I spend too much time debunking stories I find.
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Post by cornhole on Mar 19, 2021 9:50:01 GMT -6
To make it simple at the end of the second two attachments are information about what strict mitigation prior to vaccines has accomplished along with at the end of the third one is a story about Europe and what it means in reality. Yes I spend too much time debunking stories I find. College athletics message boards just aren't a great venue for facts! But, But, But, thanks for the update. The US Media is a shambles of a news source.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Mar 19, 2021 12:05:41 GMT -6
To make it simple at the end of the second two attachments are information about what strict mitigation prior to vaccines has accomplished along with at the end of the third one is a story about Europe and what it means in reality. Yes I spend too much time debunking stories I find. College athletics message boards just aren't a great venue for facts! But, But, But, thanks for the update. The US Media is a shambles of a news source. I started this thread because of out rage with the biggest story medically in 50 years. So thought again, I would add the latest nut job stuff to it. Really probably is not the best spot but as our infectious disease director for the hospital asked: "Which news source is the best?" Told her none of them all though there are some factual folks that show up here and there. Science being hijacked by what ever the heck is going on in this country was the impetus.
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Mar 20, 2021 11:38:36 GMT -6
It is now a political disease. Once that happens the facts are manipulated to suit agendas.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Mar 21, 2021 14:45:05 GMT -6
It is now a political disease. Once that happens the facts are manipulated to suit agendas. Lead story on my Yahoo feed (at One time today) was Romania with ICU’s filled. It is simple math and can be played where ever there is not the following in countries or states/provinces: 1) lots and lots of testing (about 4% of your population per week) the end point will be around 14,000-15,000 per hundred thousand. Those guys will have about 3x that that are unknown. Thus 45,000 per hundred K population suspected having been infected and unknown. THEN when reaches 20% of population vaccinated then that is around 80% of population. 2) testing average (about 3% of population) then there will be about 4x the number that are infected and unknown. With around 12,000 per hundred K x 4 brings that number to 48k and then the 20% vaccinated that brings to 80% 3) low testing ( 2% of population per week) then around 10,000 per hundred K x 5 times equal to 50 and 10 and the added 20% that comes to 80% The simple math is if you have 5,000 per hundred thousand population of known infections and you are testing average and then only 10% of population vaccinated you are then way behind the curve. Even if having 5 x your known for these folks it comes to 40%. They just don’t have 6 weeks in the middle of a surge to slow it down. Look for this 10,000 per 100k in your community and approaching 20% vaccinated you are good. Half of that like Europe you have problems. Politics has ruined everything but you can take this to the bank on why stuff happening as it is currently.
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