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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 8:39:21 GMT -6
We are done. Almost Time to put 2020 in the rear view.
As many do on here, it almost time to recharge the batteries in The Keys and Belize and disengage. The Saint has to tend to his flock at the family homesteads in warmer climates.
But been analyzing what our future holds. As Saintâs bees have informed him, (The HC we don’t speak of) looking he gets his contracted third year. (although, itâs not 100%, some thorns still around) For this post we assume (The HC we don’t speak of) coaches 2021. If not and a full reach around occurs, this post is null and void. And we start a new thread and fight over who the new coach should be.
2021, talent is here, on campus, enrolled. Can anyone say we donât have the talent to compete for a Sun Belt title ? If there is an argument that we donât I would love to hear your opinion and give my thoughts back.
Coaching. Letâs just be polite and say (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay got off on the wrong foot here in Troy. Question is: if we win a lot in 2021 what happens going forward with (The HC we don’t speak of) ? And what is the threshold of âa lotâ ? A SB title ? 10 wins ? 9 wins? Does it matter, are all the bridges burned up ? Is he dead man walking ? This is literally a million dollar question.
My 2: if he wins SB, he gets new contract. 3 years max. Low buyout. They wonât get burnt twice. 8 wins or less: he gone at Thanksgiving. 9 or 10 wins: man, I donât know.
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Post by peewee26 on Dec 17, 2020 12:29:02 GMT -6
We are done. Almost Time to put 2020 in the rear view. As many do on here, it almost time to recharge the batteries in The Keys and Belize and disengage. The Saint has to tend to his flock at the family homesteads in warmer climates. But been analyzing what our future holds. As Saintâs bees have informed him, (The HC we don’t speak of) looking he gets his contracted third year. (although, itâs not 100%, some thorns still around) For this post we assume (The HC we don’t speak of) coaches 2021. If not and a full reach around occurs, this post is null and void. And we start a new thread and fight over who the new coach should be. 2021, talent is here, on campus, enrolled. Can anyone say we donât have the talent to compete for a Sun Belt title ? If there is an argument that we donât I would love to hear your opinion and give my thoughts back. Coaching. Letâs just be polite and say (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay got off on the wrong foot here in Troy. Question is: if we win a lot in 2021 what happens going forward with (The HC we don’t speak of) ? And what is the threshold of âa lotâ ? A SB title ? 10 wins ? 9 wins? Does it matter, are all the bridges burned up ? Is he dead man walking ? This is literally a million dollar question. My 2: if he wins SB, he gets new contract. 3 years max. Low buyout. They wonât get burnt twice. 8 wins or less: he gone at Thanksgiving. 9 or 10 wins: man, I donât know. Interesting. And thought provoking. Iâll have to ponder. Thanks for posting it.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 12:35:49 GMT -6
We are done. Almost Time to put 2020 in the rear view. As many do on here, it almost time to recharge the batteries in The Keys and Belize and disengage. The Saint has to tend to his flock at the family homesteads in warmer climates. But been analyzing what our future holds. As Saintâs bees have informed him, (The HC we don’t speak of) looking he gets his contracted third year. (although, itâs not 100%, some thorns still around) For this post we assume (The HC we don’t speak of) coaches 2021. If not and a full reach around occurs, this post is null and void. And we start a new thread and fight over who the new coach should be. 2021, talent is here, on campus, enrolled. Can anyone say we donât have the talent to compete for a Sun Belt title ? If there is an argument that we donât I would love to hear your opinion and give my thoughts back. Coaching. Letâs just be polite and say (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay got off on the wrong foot here in Troy. Question is: if we win a lot in 2021 what happens going forward with (The HC we don’t speak of) ? And what is the threshold of âa lotâ ? A SB title ? 10 wins ? 9 wins? Does it matter, are all the bridges burned up ? Is he dead man walking ? This is literally a million dollar question. My 2: if he wins SB, he gets new contract. 3 years max. Low buyout. They wonât get burnt twice. 8 wins or less: he gone at Thanksgiving. 9 or 10 wins: man, I donât know. Interesting. And thought provoking. Iâll have to ponder. Thanks for posting it. Look forward to your input kind sir.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 17, 2020 12:47:05 GMT -6
Just my opinion but if CL does coach 2021 the results probably aren't going to be any different. Currently App St and ULL our way ahead of us as 2019 (both humiliated us) and 2020 (App again kills us). Coastal just signed their coach to a big extension and has a team that knows how to win (like them or not they have answered the bell every single time so far this season) something we could not do even with NB. Ark St and USA got quality HC hires so both will be different squads. We will see but if he hasn't produced so far, year three IMO won't either
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 12:59:24 GMT -6
Just my opinion but if CL does coach 2021 the results probably aren't going to be any different. Currently App St and ULL our way ahead of us as 2019 (both humiliated us) and 2020 (App again kills us). Coastal just signed their coach to a big extension and has a team that knows how to win (like them or not they have answered the bell every single time so far this season) something we could not do even with NB. Ark St and USA got quality HC hires so both will be different squads. We will see but if he hasn't produced so far, year three IMO won't either Agree, based on history, CL will not get to that 9+ win mark. But the non conference schedule is very manageable. At a lot of our tough conference games are at home. If he pulls it out and wins a lot, it will be EXTREMELY interesting at the end of next year. Jack, Brent and company could be boxed in.
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 17, 2020 13:30:15 GMT -6
Just my opinion but if CL does coach 2021 the results probably aren't going to be any different. I agree. I think we’ll be improved but so will everyone else. Therefore, outcome will be similar to this year (6-6 season, maybe 7-5 and many close games. So basically, 6-7 wins and some moral victories).
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 14:04:45 GMT -6
Just my opinion but if CL does coach 2021 the results probably aren't going to be any different. I agree. I think we’ll be improved but so will everyone else. Therefore, outcome will be similar to this year (6-6 season, maybe 7-5 and many close games. So basically, 6-7 wins and some moral victories). If that does occur, his Thanksgiving holiday will be consumed looking for an OC job somewhere.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 14:15:44 GMT -6
SATURDAY, SEP 4 Southern
SATURDAY, SEP 11 Liberty
SATURDAY, SEP 18 at Southern Miss
SATURDAY, OCT 2 at South Carolina
2021 Sun Belt Games
DATE TBA at Coastal Carolina
DATE TBA at Georgia State
DATE TBA Georgia Southern
DATE TBA Appalachian State
DATE TBA Louisiana
DATE TBA South Alabama
DATE TBA at ULM
DATE TBA at Texas State
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Post by Possum on Dec 17, 2020 14:27:41 GMT -6
I see 4 wins next year... 5 maybe.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 17, 2020 15:01:18 GMT -6
Southern- Win Liberty- loss So. Carolina- loss So. Miss- Toss up Caoastal- Loss Ga, State- toss up Ga. Southern- toss up App. State loss ULL- loss South AL- toss up
Best Case 6-6 Worst Case- 1-11
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 15:18:12 GMT -6
Southern- Win Liberty- loss So. Carolina- loss So. Miss- Toss up Caoastal- Loss Ga, State- toss up Ga. Southern- toss up App. State loss ULL- loss South AL- toss up Best Case 6-6 Worst Case- 1-11 ULM ? Texas State ?
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Post by Troystet on Dec 17, 2020 15:31:39 GMT -6
Southern- Win Liberty- loss So. Carolina- loss So. Miss- Toss up Caoastal- Loss Ga, State- toss up Ga. Southern- toss up App. State loss ULL- loss South AL- toss up Best Case 6-6 Worst Case- 1-11 ULM ? Texas State ? Opps forgot those. ULM- new coach but should be a win Tx St - Win Best case 8-4 Worst Case 3-9
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Post by trojanexplosion on Dec 17, 2020 15:39:44 GMT -6
I think either way (The HC we don’t speak of) is gone after next season. We either have a similar year to the last two and do not win very many games, and (The HC we don’t speak of) does not get an extension and is let go. Or somehow we have a "good" season (maybe 7+ wins, maybe make a bowl game), and he takes the first HC job that is sent his way. We can't forget, that (The HC we don’t speak of)'s track record is to never stay in one place too long.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 15:43:35 GMT -6
Opps forgot those. ULM- new coach but should be a win Tx St - Win Best case 8-4 Worst Case 3-9 4 of the teams next year will have new coaches. 2 more teams next year could have new coaches. After relooking at our season and next year’s schedule, With our talent level, wins can happen. Defense massively improved and see no reason why it can’t continue to. Granted all of this hinders on CL having to have a Cinderella type transformation. But I am truly very intrigued if ole CL gets 10 wins, what will happen. Crazy.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 15:47:07 GMT -6
I think either way (The HC we don’t speak of) is gone after next season. We either have a similar year to the last two and do not win very many games, and (The HC we don’t speak of) does not get an extension and is let go. Or somehow we have a "good" season (maybe 7+ wins, maybe make a bowl game), and he takes the first HC job that is sent his way. We can't forget, that (The HC we don’t speak of)'s track record is to never stay in one place too long. Interesting. Say he gets 8 wins and into a bowl, who is going to offer him a HC job ? Just donât think that is a viable options. Still believe the path I laid out in OP are the option. The only question is that 9 and 10 win scenario (maybe 8)
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Post by trojanexplosion on Dec 17, 2020 16:19:30 GMT -6
I think either way (The HC we don’t speak of) is gone after next season. We either have a similar year to the last two and do not win very many games, and (The HC we don’t speak of) does not get an extension and is let go. Or somehow we have a "good" season (maybe 7+ wins, maybe make a bowl game), and he takes the first HC job that is sent his way. We can't forget, that (The HC we don’t speak of)'s track record is to never stay in one place too long. Interesting. Say he gets 8 wins and into a bowl, who is going to offer him a HC job ? Just donât think that is a viable options. Still believe the path I laid out in OP are the option. The only question is that 9 and 10 win scenario (maybe 8) I definitely do not disagree with your OP. (The HC we don’t speak of) definitely has to win a lot of games in order to get off the hot seat in the eyes of Troy fans and the administration, if he does plan on staying past his initial contract term, which might be a first in his career. I think we'll just have to wait and see what next year's coaching carousel look's like. If we have a 9+ win season, he very well could draw some comparisons to what Chadwell did at CC this year (in terms of few wins in their first couple years, and "turning it around" and winning a lot the next). Obviously a stretch, especially considering how well CC has done this year, and how much national media attention that their program has gotten. But I think it will be possible (The HC we don’t speak of)'s name would get mentioned for some vacancies, depending on how well we do next season. More than likely at a G5 school who's coach had left for a different gig, definitely do not think he would be in the realm of consideration for an SEC job, but maybe somebody in the American would hire him. So maybe it will be up to other schools looking to fill HC vacancies to determine how many wins is enough. But again, that is all predicated on (The HC we don’t speak of) actually winning ballgames next year.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 16:25:53 GMT -6
Interesting. Say he gets 8 wins and into a bowl, who is going to offer him a HC job ? Just donât think that is a viable options. Still believe the path I laid out in OP are the option. The only question is that 9 and 10 win scenario (maybe 8) I definitely do not disagree with your OP. (The HC we don’t speak of) definitely has to win a lot of games in order to get off the hot seat in the eyes of Troy fans and the administration, if he does plan on staying past his initial contract term, which might be a first in his career. I think we'll just have to wait and see what next year's coaching carousel look's like. If we have a 9+ win season, he very well could draw some comparisons to what Chadwell did at CC this year (in terms of few wins in their first couple years, and "turning it around" and winning a lot the next). Obviously a stretch, especially considering how well CC has done this year, and how much national media attention that their program has gotten. But I think it will be possible (The HC we don’t speak of)'s name would get mentioned for some vacancies, depending on how well we do next season. More than likely at a G5 school who's coach had left for a different gig, definitely do not think he would be in the realm of consideration for an SEC job, but maybe somebody in the American would hire him. So maybe it will be up to other schools looking to fill HC vacancies to determine how many wins is enough. But again, that is all predicated on (The HC we don’t speak of) actually winning ballgames next year. Yes, everything is centered on how many wins he gets next year. Ummm, yea an SEC job for CL in 2022 has the same chance as Troy winning back to back national football championships. I think the only coaching job CL could possibly get in 2022 is DII or high school. Given that, CL is riding or dying with Troy University. If he wins 10 games next year, would you keep him ?
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Post by trojanexplosion on Dec 17, 2020 17:00:41 GMT -6
I definitely do not disagree with your OP. (The HC we don’t speak of) definitely has to win a lot of games in order to get off the hot seat in the eyes of Troy fans and the administration, if he does plan on staying past his initial contract term, which might be a first in his career. I think we'll just have to wait and see what next year's coaching carousel look's like. If we have a 9+ win season, he very well could draw some comparisons to what Chadwell did at CC this year (in terms of few wins in their first couple years, and "turning it around" and winning a lot the next). Obviously a stretch, especially considering how well CC has done this year, and how much national media attention that their program has gotten. But I think it will be possible (The HC we don’t speak of)'s name would get mentioned for some vacancies, depending on how well we do next season. More than likely at a G5 school who's coach had left for a different gig, definitely do not think he would be in the realm of consideration for an SEC job, but maybe somebody in the American would hire him. So maybe it will be up to other schools looking to fill HC vacancies to determine how many wins is enough. But again, that is all predicated on (The HC we don’t speak of) actually winning ballgames next year. Yes, everything is centered on how many wins he gets next year. Ummm, yea an SEC job for CL in 2022 has the same chance as Troy winning back to back national football championships. I think the only coaching job CL could possibly get in 2022 is DII or high school. Given that, CL is riding or dying with Troy University. If he wins 10 games next year, would you keep him ? If we won 10 games, I would say it would be hard not to keep him, much as that pains me to say. It would be tough to answer questions of why you fired your HC after a 10-win season, especially that season included the SBC championship game and a bowl win. I would also assume there is some sort of automatic extension based upon a conference championship, so if that were to happen then we might not have a choice. I think 9 wins would be a little murky, but I agree back to your OP and would say 8 wins would probably be the line in the sand. But you know what they say... Winning solves a lot of problems.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 17, 2020 17:00:47 GMT -6
I definitely do not disagree with your OP. (The HC we don’t speak of) definitely has to win a lot of games in order to get off the hot seat in the eyes of Troy fans and the administration, if he does plan on staying past his initial contract term, which might be a first in his career. I think we'll just have to wait and see what next year's coaching carousel look's like. If we have a 9+ win season, he very well could draw some comparisons to what Chadwell did at CC this year (in terms of few wins in their first couple years, and "turning it around" and winning a lot the next). Obviously a stretch, especially considering how well CC has done this year, and how much national media attention that their program has gotten. But I think it will be possible (The HC we don’t speak of)'s name would get mentioned for some vacancies, depending on how well we do next season. More than likely at a G5 school who's coach had left for a different gig, definitely do not think he would be in the realm of consideration for an SEC job, but maybe somebody in the American would hire him. So maybe it will be up to other schools looking to fill HC vacancies to determine how many wins is enough. But again, that is all predicated on (The HC we don’t speak of) actually winning ballgames next year. Yes, everything is centered on how many wins he gets next year. Ummm, yea an SEC job for CL in 2022 has the same chance as Troy winning back to back national football championships. I think the only coaching job CL could possibly get in 2022 is DII or high school. Given that, CL is riding or dying with Troy University. If he wins 10 games next year, would you keep him ? Well even if we donât agree it would be a much better debate than what we have now
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 17:06:57 GMT -6
Yes, everything is centered on how many wins he gets next year. Ummm, yea an SEC job for CL in 2022 has the same chance as Troy winning back to back national football championships. I think the only coaching job CL could possibly get in 2022 is DII or high school. Given that, CL is riding or dying with Troy University. If he wins 10 games next year, would you keep him ? If we won 10 games, I would say it would be hard not to keep him, much as that pains me to say. It would be tough to answer questions of why you fired your HC after a 10-win season, especially that season included the SBC championship game and a bowl win. I would also assume there is some sort of automatic extension based upon a conference championship, so if that were to happen then we might not have a choice. I think 9 wins would be a little murky, but I agree back to your OP and would say 8 wins would probably be the line in the sand. But you know what they say... Winning solves a lot of problems. I agree with this 100%. Sad we are here but we are.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 17:08:06 GMT -6
Yes, everything is centered on how many wins he gets next year. Ummm, yea an SEC job for CL in 2022 has the same chance as Troy winning back to back national football championships. I think the only coaching job CL could possibly get in 2022 is DII or high school. Given that, CL is riding or dying with Troy University. If he wins 10 games next year, would you keep him ? Well even if we don’t agree it would be a much better debate than what we have now What don’t you agree with ? And yes, a much better conversation.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Dec 17, 2020 17:45:20 GMT -6
A friendly bit of info, you dont have to repost quotes of quotes of quotes. With just a moment of your time you can edit out quotes you don't need.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 17:47:21 GMT -6
A friendly bit of info, you dont have repost quotes of quotes of quotes. With just a moment of your time you can edit out quotes you don't need. A friendly bit of info, you dont have repost quotes of quotes of quotes. With just a moment of your time you can edit out quotes you don't need. A friendly bit of info, you dont have repost quotes of quotes of quotes. With just a moment of your time you can edit out quotes you don't need. Thanks ! I’ll get the hang of this thing eventually.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 17, 2020 17:49:32 GMT -6
How in the heck does "What if (The HC we don’t speak of) wins 10" even come up?
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 17, 2020 17:52:05 GMT -6
How in the heck does "What if (The HC we don’t speak of) wins 10" even come up? To recap: an interesting thought based on multiple factors currently and projected analysis. Relook at this thread, some decent thoughts. You have any thoughts on the subject ? I need a subject to chew on before I winter in the sunshine.
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