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Post by jonesoxygen on Nov 5, 2019 8:57:45 GMT -6
So the question is, who do you hire?
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Post by saintflorian on Nov 5, 2019 9:08:51 GMT -6
So the question is, who do you hire? Might as well put it out there before all the jokers sign in Jeremy Rowell
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Nov 5, 2019 9:47:45 GMT -6
I am firmly against in-season firings, but if one is to be made at DC, the only person on staff capable of managing it is Bam.
Post season, you have to at least make a call to Sumrall or Lesley. Doubt either would return, but they are both in the ballpark affordable and know the culture of the program.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 5, 2019 10:22:45 GMT -6
Al Pogue has been suggested.
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Post by crawlspace13 on Nov 5, 2019 10:46:49 GMT -6
I am firmly against in-season firings, but if one is to be made at DC, the only person on staff capable of managing it is Bam. Post season, you have to at least make a call to Sumrall or Lesley. Doubt either would return, but they are both in the ballpark affordable and know the culture of the program. I know some really liked him for the job, so honest question in regards to Sumrall, even if it's not likely he comes back. Offer him DC with promise of HC job when (The HC we don’t speak of) goes? I'm not sure about his experience level at either position, and that would make me hesitate, just because we know without doubt (The HC we don’t speak of) will be gone within a year or two regardless of the state of the program. Al Pogue could be interesting. But would he leave the WV job so quickly for a DC title here?
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 5, 2019 10:56:15 GMT -6
Interim would have to be someone on staff but as far as leaving for a coordinator job. In a heartbeat for almost all coaches.
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Post by ksdtrojan on Nov 5, 2019 11:51:58 GMT -6
Just me wondering without any research at all...
Derrick Ansley but he's at Tennessee as DC so that might not be an option.
Maybe as HC eventually
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Post by jonesoxygen on Nov 5, 2019 11:57:52 GMT -6
I am firmly against in-season firings, but if one is to be made at DC, the only person on staff capable of managing it is Bam. Post season, you have to at least make a call to Sumrall or Lesley. Doubt either would return, but they are both in the ballpark affordable and know the culture of the program. I know some really liked him for the job, so honest question in regards to Sumrall, even if it's not likely he comes back. Offer him DC with promise of HC job when (The HC we don’t speak of) goes? I'm not sure about his experience level at either position, and that would make me hesitate, just because we know without doubt (The HC we don’t speak of) will be gone within a year or two regardless of the state of the program. Al Pogue could be interesting. But would he leave the WV job so quickly for a DC title here? If Mark Stoops really is the top guy for FSU, I would expect Jon to remain at UK become their next DC. Would he be my first choice.... of course. Another guy that has been forgotten is former Trojan Duwan Walker. Look him up.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Nov 5, 2019 12:13:36 GMT -6
That's a fantastic question. Id like to see Sumrall and Lesley back like TAD said but as HC and DC. It would take serious money probably.
Bottom line is we might now be in what Lance Griffins show this morning called "Wondering through the wilderness". Programs like Miami, Tennessee, Michigan, ect. have all been there and it took years, sometimes decades, to recover from one total $hit of the bed hire. Hell Tennessee has been there 12 years.
We are not big time enough to keep stellar staffs long term but we must turn around and make wise decisions. Shooting for a household name that is a AuBarn leftover reject was a mistake and will be again if we ever do it a 2nd time.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 5, 2019 12:18:36 GMT -6
That's a fantastic question. Id like to see Sumrall and Lesley back like TAD said but as HC and DC. It would take serious money probably. Bottom line is we might now be in what Lance Griffins show this morning called "Wondering through the wilderness". Programs like Miami, Tennessee, Michigan, ect. have all been there and it took years, sometimes decades, to recover from one total $hit of the bed hire. Hell Tennessee has been there 12 years. We are not big time enough to keep stellar staffs long term but we must turn around and make wise decisions. Shooting for a household name that is a AuBarn leftover reject was a mistake and will be again if we ever do it a 2nd time. Maybe study North Dakota St. They have went through two head coaching changes and never miss a beat. I don't care if it is FCS, there is something they are doing that works
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Post by skeeter on Nov 5, 2019 12:28:31 GMT -6
I am firmly against in-season firings, but if one is to be made at DC, the only person on staff capable of managing it is Bam. Post season, you have to at least make a call to Sumrall or Lesley. Doubt either would return, but they are both in the ballpark affordable and know the culture of the program. Great Post,
Bam is a great coach and he would do as good or better job (In a pinch) than what we have now, but I don't see him as a DC. Now with that said both Sumrall and Lesley could do the job and If I had to pick one, it would be Sumrall due to he could fall right in when (The HC we don’t speak of) decides to jump ship. The question is who is the better coach for the DC job out of the two of them and I would have to say Lesley but and I mean but, he still has way to much of that East Mississippi JUCO coaching (belittling and browbeating) in him for my taste. Now, this is just me saying, If I wanted to see footprint placed on the turf for along term answer I would go with Sumrall every time. Remember this is just me saying
Again good post!
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Post by trojantexan on Nov 5, 2019 12:29:38 GMT -6
I’d love to see a defensive assistant from Baylor end up as our DC. I’ve really been impressed with the Job Matt Rhule has done there. Those guys play defense, while still running a passing offense. Their numbers aren’t inflated by playing keep away like an option team does.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Nov 5, 2019 12:35:16 GMT -6
That's a fantastic question. Id like to see Sumrall and Lesley back like TAD said but as HC and DC. It would take serious money probably. Bottom line is we might now be in what Lance Griffins show this morning called "Wondering through the wilderness". Programs like Miami, Tennessee, Michigan, ect. have all been there and it took years, sometimes decades, to recover from one total $hit of the bed hire. Hell Tennessee has been there 12 years. We are not big time enough to keep stellar staffs long term but we must turn around and make wise decisions. Shooting for a household name that is a AuBarn leftover reject was a mistake and will be again if we ever do it a 2nd time. Maybe study North Dakota St. They have went through two head coaching changes and never miss a beat. I don't care if it is FCS, there is something they are doing that works Those boys haven't missed a beat in many years.
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Post by trojans09 on Nov 5, 2019 13:22:21 GMT -6
I’d love to see a defensive assistant from Baylor end up as our DC. I’ve really been impressed with the Job Matt Rhule has done there. Those guys play defense, while still running a passing offense. Their numbers aren’t inflated by playing keep away like an option team does. Hall was a defensive assistant at Troy under Vic...so you have to be careful to assume a defensive assistant on a good staff is the way to go. It's a gamble...they may or may not be ready for the job.
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Post by jonesoxygen on Nov 5, 2019 13:33:04 GMT -6
I’d love to see a defensive assistant from Baylor end up as our DC. I’ve really been impressed with the Job Matt Rhule has done there. Those guys play defense, while still running a passing offense. Their numbers aren’t inflated by playing keep away like an option team does. Hall was a defensive assistant at Troy under Vic...so you have to be careful to assume a defensive assistant on a good staff is the way to go. It's a gamble...they may or may not be ready for the job. Good point, with that said, is it possible that Nick Saban could be the DC right now and with the injuries we have, have any different results?
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Nov 5, 2019 14:31:45 GMT -6
Hall was a defensive assistant at Troy under Vic...so you have to be careful to assume a defensive assistant on a good staff is the way to go. It's a gamble...they may or may not be ready for the job. Good point, with that said, is it possible that Nick Saban could be the DC right now and with the injuries we have, have any different results? Injuries are huge right now. Transfers like Tron even bigger to the overall picture.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 5, 2019 14:35:56 GMT -6
Hall was a defensive assistant at Troy under Vic...so you have to be careful to assume a defensive assistant on a good staff is the way to go. It's a gamble...they may or may not be ready for the job. Good point, with that said, is it possible that Nick Saban could be the DC right now and with the injuries we have, have any different results? Yes. Go watch replays. Our defense is constantly out of position especially in the pass defense.
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Post by trojanocean on Nov 5, 2019 14:49:01 GMT -6
I know some really liked him for the job, so honest question in regards to Sumrall, even if it's not likely he comes back. Offer him DC with promise of HC job when (The HC we don’t speak of) goes? I'm not sure about his experience level at either position, and that would make me hesitate, just because we know without doubt (The HC we don’t speak of) will be gone within a year or two regardless of the state of the program. Al Pogue could be interesting. But would he leave the WV job so quickly for a DC title here? If Stoops really is the top guy for FSU, I would expect Jon to remain at UK become their next DC. Would he be my first choice.... of course. Another guy that has been forgotten is former Trojan Duwan Walker. Look him up. Stoops has told FSU he isn't interested.
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Post by Hemi Man on Nov 5, 2019 15:11:33 GMT -6
If Stoops really is the top guy for FSU, I would expect Jon to remain at UK become their next DC. Would he be my first choice.... of course. Another guy that has been forgotten is former Trojan Duwan Walker. Look him up. Stoops has told FSU he isn't interested. That’s Bob.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Nov 6, 2019 13:54:22 GMT -6
Ask Sumrall. Pay him more then he’s getting at UK.
Make him HC in waiting
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Nov 6, 2019 14:21:11 GMT -6
Ask Sumrall. Pay him more then he’s getting at UK. Make him HC. There. Fixed it for you.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Nov 6, 2019 15:02:47 GMT -6
Ask Sumrall. Pay him more then he’s getting at UK. Make him HC. There. Fixed it for you. Wouldn’t be opposed. I wanted him from the start
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Post by trojans09 on Nov 6, 2019 15:10:17 GMT -6
Ask Sumrall. Pay him more then he’s getting at UK. Make him HC in waiting Sumrall is making $525,000 in his first year, and $550,000 in 2020.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Nov 6, 2019 15:12:17 GMT -6
Ask Sumrall. Pay him more then he’s getting at UK. Make him HC in waiting Sumrall is making $525,000 in his first year, and $550,000 in 2020. Pay him 350-400 and he might take a cut for Head DC/Assistant HC role on his resume.
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Post by saintflorian on Nov 6, 2019 16:03:53 GMT -6
Sumrall is making $525,000 in his first year, and $550,000 in 2020. Pay him 350-400 and he might take a cut for Head DC/Assistant HC role on his resume. Not sure if serious post.
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