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Post by troyjan95 on Nov 3, 2019 11:47:39 GMT -6
Yes - to the questions posed in this thread originally
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Post by trojans91 on Nov 4, 2019 0:00:51 GMT -6
No one quits their first year as a head coach no matter how bad the year is. No one is going to fire him either because that’s just bad form. That would also mean the university made a mistake, heaven forbid. That will never happen. The coaching staff hint it might be responsible? Yeah. Right. The rest of the season and going into next year will be faulted completely upon injuries, new system glitches and fans over expectations. In my industry, I can fire an employee simply over the way he wears his clothes, and I have. Coaching is a different animal, however. So here’s to the 2020 season motto; We promise to suck less! Agree. We have him at least two more seasons. He isn't resigning and he will not be fired. Hard to watch us burn.
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Post by crawlspace13 on Nov 4, 2019 5:23:26 GMT -6
No one quits their first year as a head coach no matter how bad the year is. No one is going to fire him either because thatâs just bad form. That would also mean the university made a mistake, heaven forbid. That will never happen. The coaching staff hint it might be responsible? Yeah. Right. The rest of the season and going into next year will be faulted completely upon injuries, new system glitches and fans over expectations. In my industry, I can fire an employee simply over the way he wears his clothes, and I have. Coaching is a different animal, however. So hereâs to the 2020 season motto; We promise to suck less! Agree. We have him at least two more seasons. He isn't resigning and he will not be fired. Hard to watch us burn. If they can get the defense working better, we'll be at least respectable next year. Maybe not leave players hanging for a play call with an extra man on the field. And game management. Our previous coach learned early in his OC career about the importance game management. (The HC we don’t speak of) needs to stop thinking entirely like an OC and understand balance in all phases. And that the whole thing is his baby. I don't feel he understood that coming in. Hopefully the experience this year taught him things and he's not just writing off the lessons. Next year should be better just for gained staff experience (because we're stuck with them for now).
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 4, 2019 7:23:26 GMT -6
Now I certainly think we need a different DC (in the military if things are not going well they change commanders not all new soldiers) With that said, we are a few plays from being at least 5-3 instead of 3-5. Maybe even better. My point (and this is the one that I may get some push back on) When Neal began changing things around that first 10 win season had some real close ones and we had some the 11 win season too. We have blown out the three terrible teams as we should but even there we had flaws visible. I will be there next Saturday and I hope all of us will be screaming and cheering cause our players need it. The program needs it. None of are happy with look of our play at this point but the fine line of where we should be and where we could be has not gone our way. I do not know what the players think of their coaches but even if (The HC we don’t speak of) is not a fireball to us I would like to know what the faith in their HC is like at this point. The recruits coming sound pretty good and those young guys in our D back field can only be better. Next years schedule looks very tough and it may not be a lot better but the DC position is clear from any perspective that it must be changed. In my business when you see something totally wrong and don't change it then that is negligence. Hall maybe a great guy but I can guarantee you Neal did not have to worry about his DC doing the best job possible. Dear (The HC we don’t speak of): Make the change it costs you very little but the fans and AD should all support what has been to this point an abject failure in that wing of our team. YES other areas may have problems but they are not the majority of reason of where we are.
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Post by chasin170 on Nov 4, 2019 7:43:48 GMT -6
A lot West Virginia fans are pretty depressed about their new hire as well.........Nobody know how to hire nobody no more.
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Post by crawlspace13 on Nov 4, 2019 8:22:10 GMT -6
A lot West Virginia fans are pretty depressed about their new hire as well.........Nobody know how to hire nobody no more. Difference in the direction the programs were going. Neal didn't quit to keep from being fired and (The HC we don’t speak of) didn't have years of lazy recruiting/coaching to clean up. Though I get their disappointment. Had hoped they'd do better up there in year 1. I fully expected us to do better.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Nov 4, 2019 8:34:49 GMT -6
A lot West Virginia fans are pretty depressed about their new hire as well.........Nobody know how to hire nobody no more. Difference in the direction the programs were going. Neal didn't quit to keep from being fired and (The HC we don’t speak of) didn't have years of lazy recruiting/coaching to clean up. Though I get their disappointment. Had hoped they'd do better up there in year 1. I fully expected us to do better. From what I've seen, their fans are pretty elated at the fact that they almost beat the #9 team in the country, and are seeing improvement. WVU had 12 TFL, 8 sacks, and 3 forced fumbles against Baylor.
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Post by The Cardinal Rule on Nov 4, 2019 8:46:41 GMT -6
I have some lingering questions: Once (The HC we don’t speak of) took over the helm at Troy about 7 players immediately entered the transfer porthole why? I know maybe a couple had no chance of playing but there were starters among that group as well. So why the exodus? How many players have suffered serious injuries this year? I get football is a physical game but when multiple people go down I'm curious is to why, is it bad luck or training issues?
Also to poke a hole in another argument I see floating on the boards is Neil Brown in his first year. Yes, Brown only won us 4 games but he had to pick up the smoldering wreckage that was our program following the final Blakeney years and we saw improvement in year two. (The HC we don’t speak of) inherited one of the better teams Troy has fielded and now we're sitting at 3 wins in November. This would be like Nick Saban retires at Alabama a new guy takes over with all the 5 star recruits and returning seniors and goes on a losing streak. They wouldn't be able to argue... well, it's my first year.
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Post by troyfan on Nov 4, 2019 9:00:26 GMT -6
Difference in the direction the programs were going. Neal didn't quit to keep from being fired and (The HC we don’t speak of) didn't have years of lazy recruiting/coaching to clean up. Though I get their disappointment. Had hoped they'd do better up there in year 1. I fully expected us to do better. From what I've seen, their fans are pretty elated at the fact that they almost beat the #9 team in the country, and are seeing improvement. WVU had 12 TFL, 8 sacks, and 3 forced fumbles against Baylor. That is the difference in Neal's first year and (The HC we don’t speak of)'s first year. Improvement from week 1. Even though his first year was 4-8 he got better each week and won 2 of the last 3 I believe. (The HC we don’t speak of)'s first year, dare I say, has gotten worse from week 1.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 4, 2019 9:04:00 GMT -6
Difference in the direction the programs were going. Neal didn't quit to keep from being fired and (The HC we don’t speak of) didn't have years of lazy recruiting/coaching to clean up. Though I get their disappointment. Had hoped they'd do better up there in year 1. I fully expected us to do better. From what I've seen, their fans are pretty elated at the fact that they almost beat the #9 team in the country, and are seeing improvement. WVU had 12 TFL, 8 sacks, and 3 forced fumbles against Baylor. My physical therapist rehabing my shoulder surgery is a WVU alumni and huge fan. The fans and him are very happy with Neal and the direction of the program. Also remember when he took the Troy job they were able to recruit a signing class. He didn't get to do that a WVU except for maybe a few left overs after early signing period. You will see a huge difference there in year two, not confident in all we will see that at Troy
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Post by crawlspace13 on Nov 4, 2019 9:46:08 GMT -6
From what I've seen, their fans are pretty elated at the fact that they almost beat the #9 team in the country, and are seeing improvement. WVU had 12 TFL, 8 sacks, and 3 forced fumbles against Baylor. That is the difference in Neal's first year and (The HC we don’t speak of)'s first year. Improvement from week 1. Even though his first year was 4-8 he got better each week and won 2 of the last 3 I believe. (The HC we don’t speak of)'s first year, dare I say, has gotten worse from week 1. Credit where it's due, there has been some improvement as younger players have gotten experience and the running game came back. But overall things have been stagnant. Both sides of the ball struggle the same way each game against moderately good to very good teams even with individual improvement.
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Post by Hemi Man on Nov 4, 2019 11:17:42 GMT -6
A lot West Virginia fans are pretty depressed about their new hire as well.........Nobody know how to hire nobody no more. Nah. I would say the majority of the fanbase is happy with the progress they have made this season. They had low expectations.
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Post by Hemi Man on Nov 4, 2019 11:38:29 GMT -6
I have some lingering questions: Once (The HC we don’t speak of) took over the helm at Troy about 7 players immediately entered the transfer porthole why? I know maybe a couple had no chance of playing but there were starters among that group as well. So why the exodus? How many players have suffered serious injuries this year? I get football is a physical game but when multiple people go down I'm curious is to why, is it bad luck or training issues? Also to poke a hole in another argument I see floating on the boards is Neil Brown in his first year. Yes, Brown only won us 4 games but he had to pick up the smoldering wreckage that was our program following the final Blakeney years and we saw improvement in year two. (The HC we don’t speak of) inherited one of the better teams Troy has fielded and now we're sitting at 3 wins in November. This would be like Nick Saban retires at Alabama a new guy takes over with all the 5 star recruits and returning seniors and goes on a losing streak. They wouldn't be able to argue... well, it's my first year. Players leave for different reasons. Usually some uniqueness in each situation. I do think you bring up a good point with the injuries. Is there an issue with the Strength and Conditioning coach/staff? My biggest concern is with the culture of the locker room? Has it changed drastically with the staff change? From the outside in it feels very different. Is the ATD still there?
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 4, 2019 11:50:32 GMT -6
Smooth knows these answers. I do not know him but some on here do.
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Post by jonesoxygen on Nov 4, 2019 12:19:55 GMT -6
Smooth knows these answers. I do not know him but some on here do. Smooth is the man
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 4, 2019 12:41:47 GMT -6
Dear FSU, Please hire (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) as your new head coach.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 4, 2019 12:54:05 GMT -6
Dear FSU, Please hire (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) as your new head coach. I'm not Sure Ferris State University, Fayettville State University, or Fairmont State University would want him let alone Florida State University
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 4, 2019 13:06:28 GMT -6
Dear FSU, Please hire (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) as your new head coach. I'm not Sure Ferris State University, Fayettville State University, or Fairmont State University would want him let alone Florida State University It's more of a wish.
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Post by trojanocean on Nov 4, 2019 13:32:51 GMT -6
A lot West Virginia fans are pretty depressed about their new hire as well.........Nobody know how to hire nobody no more. This is woefully incorrect. Generally the WVU fanbase (granted, there are always those unhappy with everything) and admin are very wide-eyed and excited about what they have in CNB. I have many WVU connections, much higher than you'd expect for a guy living in Florida, and though every loss hurts, they can see in Neal the mind and attitude of a leader capable of taking the program to an incredible place with passion and intention. You might have just bumped into a few of their Troystets. They aren't all like that.
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Post by troyjan95 on Nov 4, 2019 19:39:10 GMT -6
WVU situation right now and Troy situation - very different. WVU is trending UP UP UP - Troy is trending down and I mean straight down.
And nothing is going to be done about this year.
Going to be one heck of a tailgate Saturday! I can't wait to tailgate.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 4, 2019 20:21:04 GMT -6
WVU situation right now and Troy situation - very different. WVU is trending UP UP UP - Troy is trending down and I mean straight down. And nothing is going to be done about this year. Going to be one heck of a tailgate Saturday! I can't wait to tailgate. I really believe you are to something. For the rest of the season numb and cheering is probably better than sober and cheering. I will have two young guys with me so option number one is not an option
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Post by cornhole on Nov 4, 2019 20:22:13 GMT -6
WVU situation right now and Troy situation - very different. WVU is trending UP UP UP - Troy is trending down and I mean straight down. And nothing is going to be done about this year. Going to be one heck of a tailgate Saturday! I can't wait to tailgate. #1) WVU- agree and... #2) Happy for Neal and the gang. Sadness abounds in Trojain't heart. #3) This year? We'll wait and see. #4) Hope that's NOT Kool Ade in that pitcher! Party on....
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Post by chasin170 on Nov 4, 2019 21:34:53 GMT -6
Great News!WV trending up with a four game losing streak.....That’s almost one tick for every consecutive loss.Evil Genius is smart enough to lose out to a contract extension
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Post by cornhole on Nov 4, 2019 21:46:52 GMT -6
Great News!WV trending up with a four game losing streak.....That’s almost one tick for every consecutive loss.Evil Genius is smart enough to lose out to a contract extension Yessir, sometimes it's a challenge to see the forest for the trees. Where does cornhole mail these glasses??
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Post by saintflorian on Nov 9, 2019 12:45:23 GMT -6
A lot West Virginia fans are pretty depressed about their new hire as well.........Nobody know how to hire nobody no more. Difference in the direction the programs were going. Neal didn't quit to keep from being fired and (The HC we don’t speak of) didn't have years of lazy recruiting/coaching to clean up. Though I get their disappointment. Had hoped they'd do better up there in year 1. I fully expected us to do better. In other news, (3-5) WVU is down at halftime to (3-5)Texas Tech at home, 35-10. Power 5 schools are a lot less forgiving (see FSU). Really hope CNB turns it around in Year 2. He a good guy but it will be good for the Trojans for him to succeed.
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