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Post by trojan2003 on Sept 10, 2017 4:53:18 GMT -6
* @mods: Please move thread to FB section. Thanks *
So, 605 total yds, 345 yds passing, 32/40 completion.
So why am I still not sold on our OFF being a high scoring offense?? Because we scored merely 4 TDs (no passing TD) vs a lesser opponent.
The running game is improved, Henderson is very talented, Jernigan-type of talent, Chunn and Anderson played solid as usual... however not sure about the passing game though. I am not impressed. We have so many weapons, and we don't seem to utilize them effectively. We are trying to get the RBs heavily involved in the passing game, but I am not sure this will work vs tougher opponents... however this is not what concerns me the most because I trust the coaches. However, it's the lack of ernergy in certain situations. In crucial situations, there is no focus, no energy, no leadership on the field. CNB doesn't seem to be happy either...
Btw,
Wash St vs Boise St, 47-44 in 3OT Akron vs UAPB, 52-3
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Sept 10, 2017 6:24:59 GMT -6
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Post by Possum on Sept 10, 2017 6:24:59 GMT -6
The offensive line isn't very good, so that is affecting play calling.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Sept 10, 2017 11:56:45 GMT -6
Matt Moore has worked miracles before. The o-line started 2015 in rough shape and turned out to be really good. He'll have to do that again. We're just not blocking well all around including TE's and receivers. The game was never in doubt, but this should have been a Savannah State type performance. The offense doesn't play with as much fire as the defense. I think they may have been feeling themselves during the off-season.
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 10, 2017 12:04:33 GMT -6
Matt Moore has worked miracles before. The o-line started 2015 in rough shape and turned out to be really good. He'll have to do that again. We're just not blocking well all around including TE's and receivers. The game was never in doubt, but this should have been a Savannah State type performance. The offense doesn't play with as much fire as the defense. I think they may have been feeling themselves during the off-season. I tend to agree on your assessment. My term last night was "the offense was anemic"! Something is missing and it may be multiple issues but how many deep passes were thrown and how many deep in the middle of the field? With all our great power runners, we seem to run a LOT east to west. Maybe that's because there's little faith in opening holes against defenses straight ahead so they try to get outside. Given the opponent, I expected our guy's to be able to get open often but it didn't happen. Where's our outside speed so talked about in the off season? I saw fire on the part of some defensive players but not much on offense. I'm glad we won but we won't play a weaker opponent this season!
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Post by cornhole on Sept 10, 2017 14:51:14 GMT -6
Yes sir, agree all of this. . and with a Sr. experienced QB.
Where's the leadership? Where's the check-offs, progression reads, etc? You and I could have made that pik6 as it was telegraphed as the ball was snapped. All against a worthy, Div II opponent.
Could be a long season for Neal Brown and the O. (The running studs are awesome!!)
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Sept 10, 2017 17:36:40 GMT -6
Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 10, 2017 17:36:40 GMT -6
I too tend to agree with assessments as already offered. The term I used to describe the offense, and their play, last night was "uninspired". We ran all over the field, racked up over 600 yds offense, and only scored 34 pts. scoring only 4 TDs while gaining over 600 yds offense is hard to comprehend. That said, I have a question for us to ponder.
Could the the lack of imagination in the game plan (not energy on the field) be due in part to an unwillingness to open the play book for all the world to see in a game we should win handily with a 3 yds and a cloud of dust plan? If so, I understand that but I think it's a risky move. Two weeks have come and gone, and now, if we've been intentionally conservative, we have to find a way to crank up the intensity, find energy, and execute a game plan unlike the previous two. I could see where there could be some complacency that will be hard to overcome in one week.
Thoughts?
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Sept 10, 2017 19:02:20 GMT -6
Post by Troystet on Sept 10, 2017 19:02:20 GMT -6
I too tend to agree with assessments as already offered. The term I used to describe the offense, and their play, last night was "uninspired". We ran all over the field, racked up over 600 yds offense, and only scored 34 pts. scoring only 4 TDs while gaining over 600 yds offense is hard to comprehend. That said, I have a question for us to ponder. Could the the lack of imagination in the game plan (not energy on the field) be due in part to an unwillingness to open the play book for all the world to see in a game we should win handily with a 3 yds and a cloud of dust plan? If so, I understand that but I think it's a risky move. Two weeks have come and gone, and now, if we've been intentionally conservative, we have to find a way to crank up the intensity, find energy, and execute a game plan unlike the previous two. I could see where there could be some complacency that will be hard to overcome in one week. Thoughts? Then what was the reason for the horid play calling against Boise? That was a game that we needed to win
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Sept 10, 2017 19:27:12 GMT -6
Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 10, 2017 19:27:12 GMT -6
I too tend to agree with assessments as already offered. The term I used to describe the offense, and their play, last night was "uninspired". We ran all over the field, racked up over 600 yds offense, and only scored 34 pts. scoring only 4 TDs while gaining over 600 yds offense is hard to comprehend. That said, I have a question for us to ponder. Could the the lack of imagination in the game plan (not energy on the field) be due in part to an unwillingness to open the play book for all the world to see in a game we should win handily with a 3 yds and a cloud of dust plan? If so, I understand that but I think it's a risky move. Two weeks have come and gone, and now, if we've been intentionally conservative, we have to find a way to crank up the intensity, find energy, and execute a game plan unlike the previous two. I could see where there could be some complacency that will be hard to overcome in one week. Thoughts? Then what was the reason for the horid play calling against Boise? That was a game that we needed to win Entire press conference: 14:20 mark...
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 10, 2017 21:01:00 GMT -6
I too tend to agree with assessments as already offered. The term I used to describe the offense, and their play, last night was "uninspired". We ran all over the field, racked up over 600 yds offense, and only scored 34 pts. scoring only 4 TDs while gaining over 600 yds offense is hard to comprehend. That said, I have a question for us to ponder. Could the the lack of imagination in the game plan (not energy on the field) be due in part to an unwillingness to open the play book for all the world to see in a game we should win handily with a 3 yds and a cloud of dust plan? If so, I understand that but I think it's a risky move. Two weeks have come and gone, and now, if we've been intentionally conservative, we have to find a way to crank up the intensity, find energy, and execute a game plan unlike the previous two. I could see where there could be some complacency that will be hard to overcome in one week. Thoughts? You might be onto to something. The coaches have regularly mentioned how important it is to win the conference games. That's not to say they aren't trying to win the other games, but they aren't going to show off the entire playbook. With better execution they would have won at Boise. Play calling could also be limited by the struggles on the offensive line.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 11, 2017 7:56:40 GMT -6
So, I have a question along these same lines. With this being the first conference game, do you go ahead and crack open the playbook now or wait until after Akron and LSU? I have this feeling about this revisit to LSU by NB that I'm ever-so slightly excited by. I think they get the kitchen sink thrown at them.
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Sept 11, 2017 10:24:48 GMT -6
Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 11, 2017 10:24:48 GMT -6
So, I have a question along these same lines. With this being the first conference game, do you go ahead and crack open the playbook now or wait until after Akron and LSU? I have this feeling about this revisit to LSU by NB that I'm ever-so slightly excited by. I think they get the kitchen sink thrown at them. We need to beat NM State. Though it would be possible to recover from a loss to them, we don't need to fight that battle. That said, I game plan using the entire playbook but I would use only those portions required to secure the win. The more things we can surprise LSU with, the better.
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Sept 11, 2017 10:26:41 GMT -6
Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Sept 11, 2017 10:26:41 GMT -6
So, I have a question along these same lines. With this being the first conference game, do you go ahead and crack open the playbook now or wait until after Akron and LSU? I have this feeling about this revisit to LSU by NB that I'm ever-so slightly excited by. I think they get the kitchen sink thrown at them. We need to beat NM State. Though it would be possible to recover from a loss to them, we don't need to fight that battle. That said, I game plan using the entire playbook but I would use only those portions required to secure the win. The more things we can surprise LSU with, the better. Crack open the playbook this weekend. NMSU is being considered the best team in the Sun Belt at this point. They were thrashing a good New Mexico team until the final moments, but still won the game.
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Sept 11, 2017 13:27:11 GMT -6
Post by trojan2003 on Sept 11, 2017 13:27:11 GMT -6
Akron is also no pushover. The entire team is very experienced.
If we continue playing like this we will lose the next three games...
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Sept 11, 2017 13:34:55 GMT -6
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Sept 11, 2017 13:34:55 GMT -6
Strangely enough, I'd say the Week 3 version of the 2016 Trojans would beat the Week 3 version of the 2017 Trojans.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 11, 2017 14:28:58 GMT -6
I get a good chuckle out of doom and gloom threads.
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 12, 2017 11:01:38 GMT -6
So, I have a question along these same lines. With this being the first conference game, do you go ahead and crack open the playbook now or wait until after Akron and LSU? I have this feeling about this revisit to LSU by NB that I'm ever-so slightly excited by. I think they get the kitchen sink thrown at them. We need to beat NM State. Though it would be possible to recover from a loss to them, we don't need to fight that battle. That said, I game plan using the entire playbook but I would use only those portions required to secure the win. The more things we can surprise LSU with, the better. I would NEVER leave plays in the locker room that might make winning this game a certainty just to keep them from LSU scouts. I would love to beat LSU but the conference championship should be goal #1!
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Post by whyohwhy2017 on Sept 14, 2017 6:40:04 GMT -6
Yes sir, agree all of this. . and with a Sr. experienced QB. Where's the leadership? Where's the check-offs, progression reads, etc? You and I could have made that pik6 as it was telegraphed as the ball was snapped. All against a worthy, Div II opponent. Could be a long season for Neal Brown and the O. (The running studs are awesome!!) Exactly. But a senior experienced quarterback does not necessarily equate to performance, though he's certainly performed in the past. Perhaps standing on the sideline for a while watching a highly talented and motivated sophomore do his job would be his motivation to perform and lead again. No one thinks twice when this is done at any other position. An "offensive genius" as head coach running something more than a bland vanilla offense might inspire an outstanding offense to amaze us and give the remaining opponents something to lose sleep over. Completely open the playbook and make them wonder what the heck is coming next. I hope our focus is winning the entire schedule, not just eight conference games and one so called "gimme".
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Sept 14, 2017 7:56:20 GMT -6
Post by Trojanfan2 on Sept 14, 2017 7:56:20 GMT -6
I don't believe coaches are afraid of the next team seeing what plays they ran and therefor must hide plays and save them for conference play. I the opponents want to see all of Troy's plays there are tapes of not only the last game but all the games for the last X years.
I can only speak from my experience but the coaches put in the plays and game plan to win the next game. New things were tried early in the season, and if they worked expect to see them again. I've never heard of a coach saying -- "this is a great play but we won't use it until conference play starts." You have fundamental sets, plays, formations that is Troy football. Hopefully the fundamentals you pick as a coach are ingrained in the talent you have. Then as you prepare for the next team you incorporate variations of those fundamentals that your opponent isn't prepared for.
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Sept 14, 2017 14:15:49 GMT -6
I'm confused, we gain over 600 yards, score 34 points (and left at least 17 on the field with penalties and poor FG execution), and we are destined to lose more than we win?
As a good friend Of mine said in Boise, as several fans were SCREAMING, "throw it DEEP, open up the play book, COME ON", "these folks think we are playing in the X-box League", throw it deep, throw it deep!
Then we amass 600+ yards, take what the D is giving, run and pass everywhere and some folks think our offense is anemic??
Has Brandon had trouble getting into a rhythm? Yes, at times. Has the YOUNG O Line struggled? Yes. Has our play been sub-par at times? Yes. Two games in, we are 1-1, and hopefully we've worked out the kinks.
Now our real test starts, can we 1. Travel across the country and come out prepared and focused? 2. Can we execute, run the correct route (see pick 6)? 3. Can we control the line of scrimmage? 4. Can our D continue to make plays? 5. Has special teams corrected completely? We will see on Saturday!!!!!
H A V O C!!!
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 14, 2017 19:37:56 GMT -6
I'm confused, we gain over 600 yards, score 34 points (and left at least 17 on the field with penalties and poor FG execution), and we are destined to lose more than we win? As a good friend Of mine said in Boise, as several fans were SCREAMING, "throw it DEEP, open up the play book, COME ON", "these folks think we are playing in the X-box League", throw it deep, throw it deep! Then we amass 600+ yards, take what the D is giving, run and pass everywhere and some folks think our offense is anemic?? Has Brandon had trouble getting into a rhythm? Yes, at times. Has the YOUNG O Line struggled? Yes. Has our play been sub-par at times? Yes. Two games in, we are 1-1, and hopefully we've worked out the kinks. Now our real test starts, can we 1. Travel across the country and come out prepared and focused? 2. Can we execute, run the correct route (see pick 6)? 3. Can we control the line of scrimmage? 4. Can our D continue to make plays? 5. Has special teams corrected completely? We will see on Saturday!!!!! H A V O C!!! Nice post.
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Sept 15, 2017 6:13:57 GMT -6
Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 15, 2017 6:13:57 GMT -6
I'm confused, we gain over 600 yards, score 34 points (and left at least 17 on the field with penalties and poor FG execution), and we are destined to lose more than we win? As a good friend Of mine said in Boise, as several fans were SCREAMING, "throw it DEEP, open up the play book, COME ON", "these folks think we are playing in the X-box League", throw it deep, throw it deep! Then we amass 600+ yards, take what the D is giving, run and pass everywhere and some folks think our offense is anemic?? Has Brandon had trouble getting into a rhythm? Yes, at times. Has the YOUNG O Line struggled? Yes. Has our play been sub-par at times? Yes. Two games in, we are 1-1, and hopefully we've worked out the kinks. Now our real test starts, can we 1. Travel across the country and come out prepared and focused? 2. Can we execute, run the correct route (see pick 6)? 3. Can we control the line of scrimmage? 4. Can our D continue to make plays? 5. Has special teams corrected completely? We will see on Saturday!!!!! H A V O C!!! Isn't that the definition of the "Air Raid" offense? He did say they were going to do that when he took the job. Is it too much to ask to have that expectation to see it thrown deep every now-and-again?
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 15, 2017 6:44:41 GMT -6
I'm confused, we gain over 600 yards, score 34 points (and left at least 17 on the field with penalties and poor FG execution), and we are destined to lose more than we win? As a good friend Of mine said in Boise, as several fans were SCREAMING, "throw it DEEP, open up the play book, COME ON", "these folks think we are playing in the X-box League", throw it deep, throw it deep! Then we amass 600+ yards, take what the D is giving, run and pass everywhere and some folks think our offense is anemic?? Has Brandon had trouble getting into a rhythm? Yes, at times. Has the YOUNG O Line struggled? Yes. Has our play been sub-par at times? Yes. Two games in, we are 1-1, and hopefully we've worked out the kinks. Now our real test starts, can we 1. Travel across the country and come out prepared and focused? 2. Can we execute, run the correct route (see pick 6)? 3. Can we control the line of scrimmage? 4. Can our D continue to make plays? 5. Has special teams corrected completely? We will see on Saturday!!!!! H A V O C!!! Isn't that the definition of the "Air Raid" offense? He did say they were going to do that when he took the job. Is it too much to ask to have that expectation to see it thrown deep every now-and-again? I used the term "anemic" in my description because of just what this poster said, we touted an "Air Raid" offense running played a torrid pace. When we do that we seem to move the ball well. I keep looking for that type offense scheme to appear this year but it hasn't and I suppose I assumed if it were ever going to be our trademark in reality this was the year. They stand and look at the sideline waiting A LOT and I wonder why. It was a generalization I chose of what I felt after Saturdays game against a WEAK opponent. With that being said, all those yards was against a team our third team could have beaten. They had just lost to TUSKEEGEE so don't put too much stock in those stats from the ASU game. I'm very excited about these guys and what they could possibly accomplish and I want them to live up to the hype for 2017! I just struggle understanding why throws deep across the middle are so rare? It would keep the LB's and safeties honest. It's much easier to cover the sideline and we throw into double coverage a lot there. In MY OPINION that's because teams realize we don't throw over the middle deep often so they can afford to put safeties to help on sideline coverage. We have a stable of running backs so it would seem to me that a rapid fire offense would wear out their defenses long before our offense if we chose to run "NASCAR". It's all just opinions on my part and what I see this site being about. No negatives intended, just observations. We will find out Saturday where we really stack up in the Belt this year.
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Sept 15, 2017 7:16:37 GMT -6
Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 15, 2017 7:16:37 GMT -6
Isn't that the definition of the "Air Raid" offense? He did say they were going to do that when he took the job. Is it too much to ask to have that expectation to see it thrown deep every now-and-again? I used the term "anemic" in my description because of just what this poster said, we touted an "Air Raid" offense running played a torrid pace. When we do that we seem to move the ball well. I keep looking for that type offense scheme to appear this year but it hasn't and I suppose I assumed if it were ever going to be our trademark in reality this was the year. They stand and look at the sideline waiting A LOT and I wonder why. It was a generalization I chose of what I felt after Saturdays game against a WEAK opponent. With that being said, all those yards was against a team our third team could have beaten. They had just lost to TUSKEEGEE so don't put too much stock in those stats from the ASU game. I'm very excited about these guys and what they could possibly accomplish and I want them to live up to the hype for 2017! I just struggle understanding why throws deep across the middle are so rare? It would keep the LB's and safeties honest. It's much easier to cover the sideline and we throw into double coverage a lot there. In MY OPINION that's because teams realize we don't throw over the middle deep often so they can afford to put safeties to help on sideline coverage. We have a stable of running backs so it would seem to me that a rapid fire offense would wear out their defenses long before our offense if we chose to run "NASCAR". It's all just opinions on my part and what I see this site being about. No negatives intended, just observations. We will find out Saturday where we really stack up in the Belt this year. Agreed. I think some of that is timing. With the O line under-performing, to a certain extent, may not have allowed those seam, deep crossing, or post patterns. Hopefully, with Bama St in the rearview, there is more confidence and cohesion upfront to allow for the bombs to fly. Hard to argue with the run game, too. Troy's offense has quite a few "toys" or weapons to be either run-based or pass-happy. An awesome problem to have! #Havoc! #LetSlipTheDogsOfWar
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 15, 2017 7:29:30 GMT -6
I used the term "anemic" in my description because of just what this poster said, we touted an "Air Raid" offense running played a torrid pace. When we do that we seem to move the ball well. I keep looking for that type offense scheme to appear this year but it hasn't and I suppose I assumed if it were ever going to be our trademark in reality this was the year. They stand and look at the sideline waiting A LOT and I wonder why. It was a generalization I chose of what I felt after Saturdays game against a WEAK opponent. With that being said, all those yards was against a team our third team could have beaten. They had just lost to TUSKEEGEE so don't put too much stock in those stats from the ASU game. I'm very excited about these guys and what they could possibly accomplish and I want them to live up to the hype for 2017! I just struggle understanding why throws deep across the middle are so rare? It would keep the LB's and safeties honest. It's much easier to cover the sideline and we throw into double coverage a lot there. In MY OPINION that's because teams realize we don't throw over the middle deep often so they can afford to put safeties to help on sideline coverage. We have a stable of running backs so it would seem to me that a rapid fire offense would wear out their defenses long before our offense if we chose to run "NASCAR". It's all just opinions on my part and what I see this site being about. No negatives intended, just observations. We will find out Saturday where we really stack up in the Belt this year. Agreed. I think some of that is timing. With the O line under-performing, to a certain extent, may not have allowed those seam, deep crossing, or post patterns. Hopefully, with Bama St in the rearview, there is more confidence and cohesion upfront to allow for the bombs to fly. Hard to argue with the run game, too. Troy's offense has quite a few "toys" or weapons to be either run-based or pass-happy. An awesome problem to have! #Havoc! #LetSlipTheDogsOfWar Yes it is a good problem! I love our running game possibilities. Wear them out on defense with our big 4! I also agree that the offensive lines lack of experience may be a hold up on the fast offense scheme until they learn the ropes but that needs to happen soon and I believe it will!
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Sept 15, 2017 8:25:45 GMT -6
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Sept 15, 2017 8:25:45 GMT -6
NASCAR isn't about running plays as fast as possible. It is designed to get to the line quickly in order to keep the defense from subbing and making big adjustments in between plays.
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