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Post by Mr. Ho on Nov 27, 2014 23:40:06 GMT -6
.....announcement Monday
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Post by Possum on Nov 28, 2014 0:29:02 GMT -6
Couldn't have happened to a better team... Lol.
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Post by trojan2003 on Nov 28, 2014 1:33:21 GMT -6
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Post by doc71 on Nov 28, 2014 3:07:25 GMT -6
players, yes. Coach, no.
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Post by theredwave on Nov 28, 2014 6:30:29 GMT -6
If this is indeed the case, then we could bring CLARK and three of our own back home. What a story.
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Post by jonesoxygen on Nov 28, 2014 7:29:19 GMT -6
Why would you say no to the coach? Let's look at the facts. Chuck Dunn - LB coach, former student assistant and then GA at Troy. Born and raised in pike county. Loved by everyone in this county Duwan Walker - Defensive coordinator former player for coach Blakeney in the 90's. Ask coach about him, he thinks the world of him. Cornelius Williams- WR coach. Former trojan who again, ask LB about him. Bryant Vincent- offensive coordinator. Former OC at Charles Henderson. Very well liked in Troy. Proven winner Bill Clark-all he does is win. Start at the beginning. Look where Prattville was when he got there and where they are now. He did as much or more to build USA as Joey jones did, he put Jax state back on the map in 1 year and he had people excited about freaking UAB football. If you can win there.... My gosh. Make the call now!!!!! We all want an instant impact. We have some great candidates, but where else can we find some of our own with a head coach that doesn't lose who can immediately bring players in to fill holes and have us bowling in 1 year. I beg you to tell my why this can't work. We blew our chance 5 years ago to have him as DC. Don't blow this now. Let's take care of out people.
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Post by theredwave on Nov 28, 2014 7:53:40 GMT -6
Why would you say no to the coach? Let's look at the facts. Chuck Dunn - LB coach, former student assistant and then GA at Troy. Born and raised in pike county. Loved by everyone in this county Duwan Walker - Defensive coordinator former player for coach Blakeney in the 90's. Ask coach about him, he thinks the world of him. Cornelius Williams- WR coach. Former trojan who again, ask LB about him. Bryant Vincent- offensive coordinator. Former OC at Charles Henderson. Very well liked in Troy. Proven winner Bill Clark-all he does is win. Start at the beginning. Look where Prattville was when he got there and where they are now. He did as much or more to build USA as Joey jones did, he put Jax state back on the map in 1 year and he had people excited about freaking UAB football. If you can win there.... My gosh. Make the call now!!!!! We all want an instant impact. We have some great candidates, but where else can we find some of our own with a head coach that doesn't lose who can immediately bring players in to fill holes and have us bowling in 1 year. I beg you to tell my why this can't work. We blew our chance 5 years ago to have him as DC. Don't blow this now. Let's take care of out people. Could not be a better story. All of them are winners! This needs to happen now!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 28, 2014 8:00:38 GMT -6
The assistants look like great ideas and Clark as a DC would be good. But he's basically a proven High School coach!!! He was a controversial hire here at JSU because he had so little College experience ... he even said that when he was introduced, that they had "taken a chance" on him. He did win at JSU (weak conference) ... by bringing in several SEC guys. (even still John Grass has had better season with the same players!!) I know several profs at JSU who works with athletics ... many of the guys Clark brought in didn't meet academic standards (retiring AD and Pres allowed it). Now, they say JSU will be hit hard by the graduation rate deal. He's won some at UAB .. with Garrick's players. (I didn't make this year's game, but the last few years, UAB Looked much better than us on paper and with the eyeball test). So, yes, he's done OK at UAB this season. I have now doubt Clark is a good coach ... but he has almost no DI College experience! He's only recruited to USA? I would much rather "take a chance" on someone with proven DI credentials. Or, if we're looking at hiring a sitting Head Coach, Steve Campbell is overwhelmingly more qualified than Clark ... and is a Troy guy!! If you you say all Clark does is win ... man, compare his record to Campbell's!!! Before Steve got to Delta or MGCCC, neither school had won for years!!! He built winners there!! So again, nothing against Clark ... but not as our Head Coach right now. DC, certainly we could give him a look there. ucasports.com/custompages/campbell%20graphic%20II.jpg
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Post by theredwave on Nov 28, 2014 8:42:30 GMT -6
The assistants look like great ideas and Clark as a DC would be good. But he's basically a proven High School coach!!! He was a controversial hire here at JSU because he had so little College experience ... he even said that when he was introduced, that they had "taken a chance" on him. He did win at JSU (weak conference) ... by bringing in several SEC guys. (even still John Grass has had better season with the same players!!) I know several profs at JSU who works with athletics ... many of the guys Clark brought in didn't meet academic standards (retiring AD and Pres allowed it). Now, they say JSU will be hit hard by the graduation rate deal. He's won some at UAB .. with Garrick's players. (I didn't make this year's game, but the last few years, UAB Looked much better than us on paper and with the eyeball test). So, yes, he's done OK at UAB this season. I have now doubt Clark is a good coach ... but he has almost no DI College experience! He's only recruited to USA? I would much rather "take a chance" on someone with proven DI credentials. Or, if we're looking at hiring a sitting Head Coach, Steve Campbell is overwhelmingly more qualified than Clark ... and is a Troy guy!! If you you say all Clark does is win ... man, compare his record to Campbell's!!! Before Steve got to Delta or MGCCC, neither school had won for years!!! He built winners there!! So again, nothing against Clark ... but not as our Head Coach right now. DC, certainly we could give him a look there. ucasports.com/custompages/campbell%20graphic%20II.jpgClark has done great things at UAB. Look at attendance. One win away from bowl eligibility. I agree Campbell would be excellent, however he has not received a call or even a courtesy letter. We have a huge opportunity to save our own, hire winners and cherry pick the best players UAB has. They could make an immediate impact. This staff knows what they are getting themselves into. They know the politics, they know the fan base and the community would ignite behind them.
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Post by jonesoxygen on Nov 28, 2014 8:49:51 GMT -6
Don't forget any recruits they are working now....would be pulled to Troy.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Nov 28, 2014 8:56:40 GMT -6
Even if UAB drops football I don't see clark coming. We will see.
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Post by theredwave on Nov 28, 2014 9:05:43 GMT -6
Even if UAB drops football I don't see clark coming. We will see. Oh Clark would take the job alright ! It's almost too easy. No buyout, NCAA releases student athletes to transfer at once ....dang it's a beautiful script.
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Post by Mark Gainey on Nov 28, 2014 9:06:44 GMT -6
Any source for this bit of news? It's too late in the game to get Clark. I definitely hope we get Duwan back, though. Maybe some others.
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Post by theredwave on Nov 28, 2014 9:07:02 GMT -6
The assistants look like great ideas and Clark as a DC would be good. But he's basically a proven High School coach!!! He was a controversial hire here at JSU because he had so little College experience ... he even said that when he was introduced, that they had "taken a chance" on him. He did win at JSU (weak conference) ... by bringing in several SEC guys. (even still John Grass has had better season with the same players!!) I know several profs at JSU who works with athletics ... many of the guys Clark brought in didn't meet academic standards (retiring AD and Pres allowed it). Now, they say JSU will be hit hard by the graduation rate deal. He's won some at UAB .. with Garrick's players. (I didn't make this year's game, but the last few years, UAB Looked much better than us on paper and with the eyeball test). So, yes, he's done OK at UAB this season. I have now doubt Clark is a good coach ... but he has almost no DI College experience! He's only recruited to USA? I would much rather "take a chance" on someone with proven DI credentials. Or, if we're looking at hiring a sitting Head Coach, Steve Campbell is overwhelmingly more qualified than Clark ... and is a Troy guy!! If you you say all Clark does is win ... man, compare his record to Campbell's!!! Before Steve got to Delta or MGCCC, neither school had won for years!!! He built winners there!! So again, nothing against Clark ... but not as our Head Coach right now. DC, certainly we could give him a look there. ucasports.com/custompages/campbell%20graphic%20II.jpg Doc, those things take place at every university...every day.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Nov 28, 2014 9:08:24 GMT -6
We all assume, correctly or not, the new head coach will be announced no later than Monday. Here is my question. If, for the last 6 weeks, Clark hasn't been the #1 choice and the administration hasn't been willing to buy out his contract, how does an announcement on Monday that UAB is discontinuing football impact this decision? If Clark isn't the guy on tap to be announced already, what do we do? Do we tell Coach X, "hey dude, I know we had an agreement but Clark is going to be available at noon on Monday, so we're going with him"? I trust our administration is more ethical than this.
Ethics aside, what happens when we have to go back to square one in negotiating with a new candidate. Instead of having a new coach as early as Monday, it could be as long as several weeks before things are finalized and announced. This would negatively impact recruiting as well as, I feel, the image of the university.
Bill Clark may well be the best candidate for the job, this post isn't about that. If he is the man and plans are for him to be in Troy Monday for the anouncement, great. If those plans are not already in place and plans have been made to hire someone else, It's too late in the process to consider him. We will win with whomever is announced Monday.
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Post by theredwave on Nov 28, 2014 9:15:30 GMT -6
His buyout was only 500k. Now it is ZERO.
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Post by doug4troy on Nov 28, 2014 9:25:18 GMT -6
Don't see a source for this info... just stirring the pot?
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Post by Troystet on Nov 28, 2014 10:01:04 GMT -6
Clark is more qualified than the RB coach at LSU or Texas, that much is certain.
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Post by theredwave on Nov 28, 2014 10:06:36 GMT -6
Don't see a source for this info... just stirring the pot? Doug, cannot reveal sources. They are multiple. There have been conversations.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Nov 28, 2014 10:11:11 GMT -6
Don't see a source for this info... just stirring the pot? Doug, cannot reveal sources. They are multiple. There have been conversations. You think we are in talks with Clark?
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Post by troyjan95 on Nov 28, 2014 10:22:05 GMT -6
your source Ho?
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Post by troyjan95 on Nov 28, 2014 10:22:46 GMT -6
Clark called us about the job, that is fact!!!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 28, 2014 10:30:31 GMT -6
Clark is more qualified than the RB coach at LSU or Texas, that much is certain. As I've mentioned before, technically every coach we've mentioned on here is "qualified" ... I don't think we posted this position with certain "required" qualifications. If they're a coach and showed interest ... then they were in the Pool. But, I do believe that JH and and Comm stated that the #1 preferred qualification is experience recruiting DI talent. Also, fit, etc. So, given that "preference" ... Wilson and/or Robinson are much more "qualified" than Clark (a highly successful High School Coach ... who I'm sure recruited well at Prattville, but that doesn't count! If, however they put "preference" on experience coordinating and/or running a program and being a "winner", then yes, Clark would be a bit more "qualified"! But, that was not the priority set by JH and/or the comm. (Of course, Campbell's record makes Clark look bush league!!) I have concerns about who JH will be standing next to on the podium Sunday, Monday, or whenever. Again, I believe Wilson is JH's #1 ... not real excited about the prospect. But, I'll support whomever ... I support TROY!!
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Post by Hemi Man on Nov 28, 2014 10:44:21 GMT -6
I get the feeling some names are being floated around to distract attention from other names.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 28, 2014 10:48:01 GMT -6
I'm not at all excited about Wilson. Career RB coach and my German Shepherd could be the recruiting coordinator at LSU. If he's hired, I will support him but I have concerns
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