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Post by troyalumni2003 on Sept 3, 2014 10:45:04 GMT -6
Doubt it but this thread is not about DT84. 90% chimed in with the same thoughts. We want change. Though its likely that change might be an Obama style bust we still want change. Look man I love you. Youre a funny @ss fella. But you see the big picture too much. Most football fans dont do that and that is ok. DT84 refuses to because as far as TU football goes its depressing. People are venting and not always trying to push personal beliefs. 10-48 vs. UAB will do that. Like I told you Saturday. The beer will still be cold. sFun_DeadHorse with all this logic and reasoning. Its no fun. Also, people just want to see more Pruitt. Its not a fix all but its fun. Hemi, I understand your point and agree that lots was blamed on Rowell , and you were at his defense as you are the school and coaches majority of the time. Besides the field house upgrades though, which I do agree need improvement, you appear to just go along with whatever as if the coaches have made the right decisions most of times. This forum is for a open discussion and you cannot honestly think or agree with it all. SO don't come out as a puppet for the university. No one is creating a depth chart. In fact most of us don't really know what should happen. We do know something is not right and change and not just financial change needs to happen and Saturday was embarrassing. For not just players, coaches, but us alumni as well. Also, why are you so against Pruitt , Tidwell or Brevard. You play your hand with that statement, considering Silvers had ZERO College plays before Saturday and now appear to be painting a picture of success. So please think for yourself unless you really think Saturday was that good. If you will review the threads from before the season my choice was Pruitt. However, it showed he wasn't fully comfortable in the offense in he second scrimmage. When it comes to thinking for myself I have no problems. It seems those that screamed for Rowell's firing and the deadbolt defense was back would have learned that it isn't as cut and dry as they once thought. Change may be exactly what we need or it may be the same ship with a new captain. I think I'll have a beer. I attempted to try and see what your saying, but the number of your post was so big, i did not know where to start. What made you go with Pruitt then? Just Curious? And forget scrimmage because we all now know, anything that happened in a scrimmage can be thrown out, because what I read on them had me very excited. Well that team did not show up Saturday if it ever existed. So did you not think that Saturday he should have been left out on the field? Your thoughts, not going along with what the coaches did. And if not why. You seem to be an insider or you sound or think you are, give us some insight on why Silvers , not Pruitt , Tidwell or the other.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 3, 2014 11:21:28 GMT -6
Certain people complained about the play calling for several years. I wish you knew just how vanilla really is. However, everyone's focus was on firings Rowell and how that would fix everything. Now some of you have come to the realization that we have problems all over. Maybe our talent on offense in the past made KE look better than he is? Maybe the talent that Bolt had the first time around made him look better than he is? All questions that are sure to be asked, but can anyone really answer them at this point? Maybe if everything is the coaches' fault, maybe we just out talented everyone back then? Maybe when other schools stepped up their recruiting, coaches, and facilities, we were left behind? The fact of the matter is that some on here are trying to make a depth chart based on Pruitt's 10 plays and Tidwell's handful of plays in his career. I think I'll have a beer. Yes Rowell was over demonized. But he was way over his head and needed to go. Terrible. Rowell' run was CLB fault. Bringing in Bolt, CLB fault. You can't keep your adopted son on and bring in your ole buddies just because you like them. CLB didn't promote hiring the best he keep around and brought in comfort. We are paying this price.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 3, 2014 11:21:46 GMT -6
Certain people complained about the play calling for several years. I wish you knew just how vanilla really is. However, everyone's focus was on firings Rowell and how that would fix everything. Now some of you have come to the realization that we have problems all over. Maybe our talent on offense in the past made KE look better than he is? Maybe the talent that Bolt had the first time around made him look better than he is? All questions that are sure to be asked, but can anyone really answer them at this point? Maybe if everything is the coaches' fault, maybe we just out talented everyone back then? Maybe when other schools stepped up their recruiting, coaches, and facilities, we were left behind? The fact of the matter is that some on here are trying to make a depth chart based on Pruitt's 10 plays and Tidwell's handful of plays in his career. I think I'll have a beer. Yes Rowell was over demonized. But he was way over his head and needed to go. Terrible. Rowell' run was CLB fault. Bringing in Bolt, CLB fault. You can't keep your adopted son on and bring in your ole buddies just because you like them. CLB didn't promote hiring the best he keep around and brought in comfort. We are paying this price.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 3, 2014 11:39:15 GMT -6
If you will review the threads from before the season my choice was Pruitt. However, it showed he wasn't fully comfortable in the offense in he second scrimmage. When it comes to thinking for myself I have no problems. It seems those that screamed for Rowell's firing and the deadbolt defense was back would have learned that it isn't as cut and dry as they once thought. Change may be exactly what we need or it may be the same ship with a new captain. I think I'll have a beer. I attempted to try and see what your saying, but the number of your post was so big, i did not know where to start. What made you go with Pruitt then? Just Curious? And forget scrimmage because we all now know, anything that happened in a scrimmage can be thrown out, because what I read on them had me very excited. Well that team did not show up Saturday if it ever existed. So did you not think that Saturday he should have been left out on the field? Your thoughts, not going along with what the coaches did. And if not why. You seem to be an insider or you sound or think you are, give us some insight on why Silvers , not Pruitt , Tidwell or the other. In camp I saw a spark from Pruitt that was exciting. His deep ball is a thing of beauty. Throws the ball on the move very accurately. The dorm side to me was he was hot and cold. Maybe that's from only a limited amount of time in the offense. Silvers will be very good, but I think he will go through growing pains that Corey didn't because Corey had a senior heavy, extremely talented group around him. I think we can win with either one. I don't think there's much of a gap between the two. Silvers runs much better than people realize, but he isn't elusive like Pruitt. I think Tidwell lacks confidence and gets down on himself too easily. His delivery hurts him as well and leads to a lot of balls batted down, which is bad for a 6'7" guy. I've never referred to myself as an insider not would I. I'm just a fan of Troy Athletics. The buzz people heard of things happening at Troy is no difference than any other university or any different than when Troy was winning conference titles. There's is just more focus on it now that we aren't successful. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 3, 2014 11:43:33 GMT -6
Certain people complained about the play calling for several years. I wish you knew just how vanilla really is. However, everyone's focus was on firings Rowell and how that would fix everything. Now some of you have come to the realization that we have problems all over. Maybe our talent on offense in the past made KE look better than he is? Maybe the talent that Bolt had the first time around made him look better than he is? All questions that are sure to be asked, but can anyone really answer them at this point? Maybe if everything is the coaches' fault, maybe we just out talented everyone back then? Maybe when other schools stepped up their recruiting, coaches, and facilities, we were left behind? The fact of the matter is that some on here are trying to make a depth chart based on Pruitt's 10 plays and Tidwell's handful of plays in his career. I think I'll have a beer. Yes Rowell was over demonized. But he was way over his head and needed to go. Terrible. Rowell' run was CLB fault. Bringing in Bolt, CLB fault. You can't keep your adopted son on and bring in your ole buddies just because you like them. CLB didn't promote hiring the best he keep around and brought in comfort. We are paying this price. You would probably be surprised at how smart Jeremy was when it came to defensive strategy. If you knew what you were talking about you would know that Bolt was option B. The money wasn't right for option A. Hence one of the many reasons I pimp the Trojan Warrior program every opportunity I get. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Sept 3, 2014 11:45:30 GMT -6
Yes Rowell was over demonized. But he was way over his head and needed to go. Terrible. Rowell' run was CLB fault. Bringing in Bolt, CLB fault. You can't keep your adopted son on and bring in your ole buddies just because you like them. CLB didn't promote hiring the best he keep around and brought in comfort. We are paying this price. Yes this seems to be the case. That's why DT84 says start over. Not one guy. Every single one outside of the strength dept.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 3, 2014 11:45:45 GMT -6
Yes Rowell was over demonized. But he was way over his head and needed to go. Terrible. Rowell' run was CLB fault. Bringing in Bolt, CLB fault. You can't keep your adopted son on and bring in your ole buddies just because you like them. CLB didn't promote hiring the best he keep around and brought in comfort. We are paying this price. You would probably be surprised at how smart Jeremy was when it came to defensive strategy. If you knew what you were talking about you would know that Bolt was option B. The money wasn't right for option A. Hence one of the many reasons I pimp the Trojan Warrior program every opportunity I get. I think I'll have a beer. Rowell is coaching in high school now right ? Actually Bolt was option C. Close though. Should have been option X.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 3, 2014 11:46:52 GMT -6
I hope we didn't just consider three coaches
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 3, 2014 11:53:52 GMT -6
Certain people complained about the play calling for several years. I wish you knew just how vanilla really is. However, everyone's focus was on firings Rowell and how that would fix everything. Now some of you have come to the realization that we have problems all over. Maybe our talent on offense in the past made KE look better than he is? Maybe the talent that Bolt had the first time around made him look better than he is? All questions that are sure to be asked, but can anyone really answer them at this point? Maybe if everything is the coaches' fault, maybe we just out talented everyone back then? Maybe when other schools stepped up their recruiting, coaches, and facilities, we were left behind? The fact of the matter is that some on here are trying to make a depth chart based on Pruitt's 10 plays and Tidwell's handful of plays in his career. I think I'll have a beer. I agree that any or all these senerios could be true. I also agree that Rowell showed no reasons to think he was not part of the problem during his tenure. Bolts present lack of success in no way invalidates Rowells steady decline. I'll be glad when we can get past that place in time and concentrate in what needs doing NOW! If fixing it is to replace Bolt or Edinfields then that's what needs doing, do it, then hopefully we won't lament over it for years. That's JH's job!! I'm sure there are bits of truths in everyone's varied opinions but that is getting us nowhere but interesting to read and think about.. Troy football is wallowing in sub mediocrity going nowhere observable and someone better find out answers and address them soon or support wise we will suffer greatly. Everybody's a great coach on Monday and sports are the only professional venture where all spectators are authorities on game day. If you don't believable that just attend any high school game and listen ESPECIALLY if you are losing. That's what makes sports unique, for a brief period every week everybody who chooses can be that great athlete they never were or that great coach they never were. It's the one profession (yes, people's lives are affected by resulting actions brought about by whatever/whomever) where evaluations from those who never even tried to participate in the activity can analysis and demand changes in something they know absolutely nothing about. What if that situation existed in all our professions. All hell would break loose. Once heard this reply from a guy who was always demanding the coach be fired when suddenly someone not associated with his company complained about HIS job performance and wanted HIM fired, "How dare consider his/her opinion of my job performance, he's never done it before nor does he have any idea what I do every day. If he'd had done my job before I would respect his opinions more"! That's why I love the sports. I remember once getting furious over a decision Lombardi made....then I realized, holy cow! I get as frustrated as the next guy and want changes made....right now but then I realize it's a complex process. I don't envy John Hartwells job. He has 100's of fans just like me that think we know more than him and some have never been a participant athletically at all but we still know what ought to be done. John has to deal with it through different criteria. I'm glad it's his job and not mine. We are all VERY frustrated but I'm hoping (and praying) that Saturday brings a brighter outlook because us "Indians" are restless! See y'all Saturday! It's time to "fish or cut bait"!
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 3, 2014 11:58:23 GMT -6
Certain people complained about the play calling for several years. I wish you knew just how vanilla really is. However, everyone's focus was on firings Rowell and how that would fix everything. Now some of you have come to the realization that we have problems all over. Maybe our talent on offense in the past made KE look better than he is? Maybe the talent that Bolt had the first time around made him look better than he is? All questions that are sure to be asked, but can anyone really answer them at this point? Maybe if everything is the coaches' fault, maybe we just out talented everyone back then? Maybe when other schools stepped up their recruiting, coaches, and facilities, we were left behind? The fact of the matter is that some on here are trying to make a depth chart based on Pruitt's 10 plays and Tidwell's handful of plays in his career. I think I'll have a beer. I agree that any or all these senerios could be true. I also agree that Rowell showed no reasons to think he was not part of the problem during his tenure. Bolts present lack of success in no way invalidates Rowells steady decline. I'll be glad when we can get past that place in time and concentrate in what needs doing NOW! If fixing it is to replace Bolt or Edinfields then that's what needs doing, do it, then hopefully we won't lament over it for years. That's JH's job!! I'm sure there are bits of truths in everyone's varied opinions but that is getting us nowhere but interesting to read and think about.. Troy football is wallowing in sub mediocrity going nowhere observable and someone better find out answers and address them soon or support wise we will suffer greatly. Everybody's a great coach on Monday and sports are the only professional venture where all spectators are authorities on game day. If you don't believable that just attend any high school game and listen ESPECIALLY if you are losing. That's what makes sports unique, for a brief period every week everybody who chooses can be that great athlete they never were or that great coach they never were. It's the one profession (yes, people's lives are affected by resulting actions brought about by whatever/whomever) where evaluations from those who never even tried to participate in the activity can analysis and demand changes in something they know absolutely nothing about. What if that situation existed in all our professions. All hell would break loose. Once heard this reply from a guy who was always demanding the coach be fired when suddenly someone not associated with his company complained about HIS job performance and wanted HIM fired, "How dare consider his/her opinion of my job performance, he's never done it before nor does he have any idea what I do every day. If he'd had done my job before I would respect his opinions more"! That's why I love the sports. I get as frustrated as the next guy and want changes made....right now but then I realize it's a complex process. I don't envy John Hartwells job. He has 100's of fans just like me that think we know more than him and some have never a participant athletically at all but we still know what ought to be done. John has to deal with it through different criteria. I'm glad it's his job and not mine. We are all VERY frustrated but I'm hoping (and praying) that Saturday brings a brighter outlook because us "Indians" are restless! See y'all Saturday! It's time to "fish of cut bait"! Well said. Discussion among fans is great. However you can only say fire this guy som many times before, you realize it has no bearing on the game or the team. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Sept 3, 2014 12:02:25 GMT -6
Like I said. Entire staff outside of strength program. Fed slap up.
Post crappy season of course.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 3, 2014 12:09:27 GMT -6
Like I said. Entire staff outside of strength program. Fed slap up. Post crappy season of course. Seen a poster state earlier that we were out of shape and that fell on Shaugensy. Guess he isn't safe either. I have never heard the strength coach critiqued. I figured most people didn't even know we had one.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 3, 2014 12:49:28 GMT -6
Redwaver, I know one thing and so does every a Troy supporter who gives money, we might not know everything about coaching or be NFL talent but EVERYONE knows wins and losses. This is now the 4th year of a whole lot of losses.
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 3, 2014 13:38:08 GMT -6
Redwaver, I know one thing and so does every a Troy supporter who gives money, we might not know everything about coaching or be NFL talent but EVERYONE knows wins and losses. This is now the 4th year of a whole lot of losses. Yep, you are right and I suppose every athletic program suffering through lousy seasons would turn those losses into wins if the answers were that easy. I am one of those who donate and am a member of the Shield Society and as much as I despise losing, my contributions to Troy University are in no way tied to any wins or losses. It also does not buy me the right to demand what I have no idea about. It DOES allow me to ask those in charge to establish a positive direction and do what is necessary yo accomplish that....but I can do that and not give a dime. I don't give with strings attached, litterly or figurative but that's my choice.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 3, 2014 13:41:27 GMT -6
Redwaver, I know one thing and so does every a Troy supporter who gives money, we might not know everything about coaching or be NFL talent but EVERYONE knows wins and losses. This is now the 4th year of a whole lot of losses. Yep, you are right and I suppose every athletic program suffering through lousy seasons would turn those losses into wins if the answers were that easy. I am one of those who donate and am a member of the Shield Society and as much as I despise losing, my contributions to Troy University are in no way tied to any wins or losses. It also does not buy me the right to demand what I have no idea about. It DOES allow me to ask those in charge to establish a positive direction and do what is necessary yo accomplish that....but I can do that and not give a dime. I don't give with strings attached, litterly or figurative but that's my choice. I understand your point and to a degree I am the same also. But maybe that is part of the problem with a Troy as compared to a Auburn or Bama. Boosters there expect and demand results for their money. Of course their boosters are much, much more wealthier than the two of us also flamingmad
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Post by doug4troy on Sept 3, 2014 17:54:44 GMT -6
Complain all you want on a message board, just get your back side to the stadium on game days (from kickoff, to all zeros at the end), and support the program all that you can. There are some programs that have great attendance and support even during the down years, Troy isn't one of them. If we want to be big time, we need to act like it and show those players and their families that the didn't make a mistake choosing Troy.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Sept 4, 2014 7:26:33 GMT -6
Complain all you want on a message board, just get your back side to the stadium on game days (from kickoff, to all zeros at the end), and support the program all that you can. There are some programs that have great attendance and support even during the down years, Troy isn't one of them. If we want to be big time, we need to act like it and show those players and their families that the didn't make a mistake choosing Troy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk DT84 + 9 others. Looking forward to the tailgate and maybe the game....Not real sure yet. Will get back to you on that around 6:15cst Friday September 6th.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 4, 2014 8:35:56 GMT -6
Me and the Mrs. Looking forward to seeing our daughter at a Trojan walk, tail gating at the T-Club tent, seeing old friends and teammates, seeing the sound of the south and lord willing a victory over Duke
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Post by Possum on Sept 4, 2014 9:05:29 GMT -6
I'll look for you Troystet... If I see you, I'll introduce myself.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Sept 4, 2014 9:12:02 GMT -6
DT84 might or might not still be welcome at the ECAA tailgate after Saturday evenings meltdown. 04-cheers smiley-eatdrink009
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Post by Troystet on Sept 4, 2014 9:14:42 GMT -6
I'll look for you Troystet... If I see you, I'll introduce myself. Would like to meet you also. Look for a 6"1 red headed guy at the T-Club tent. I will have a red/black striped Troy polo and will probably be the ugliest guy there lol. I'm hard to miss facebookthumbup
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Post by Possum on Sept 4, 2014 10:32:07 GMT -6
OK. Sounds good.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 4, 2014 10:45:04 GMT -6
DT84 might or might not still be welcome at the ECAA tailgate after Saturday evenings meltdown. 04-cheers smiley-eatdrink009 Nah. Just be sure and bring good beer. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Sept 4, 2014 11:29:12 GMT -6
DT84 might or might not still be welcome at the ECAA tailgate after Saturday evenings meltdown. 04-cheers smiley-eatdrink009 Nah. Just be sure and bring good beer. I think I'll have a beer. And you bring the good backwoods smart water.
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Post by ksdtrojan on Sept 6, 2014 9:12:26 GMT -6
Yes Rowell was over demonized. But he was way over his head and needed to go. Terrible. Rowell' run was CLB fault. Bringing in Bolt, CLB fault. You can't keep your adopted son on and bring in your ole buddies just because you like them. CLB didn't promote hiring the best he keep around and brought in comfort. We are paying this price. Yes this seems to be the case. That's why DT84 says start over. Not one guy. Every single one outside of the strength dept. DT84 I completely agree. Start with the HC and let whomever is that choice bring his guys. Don't reload the same old gun with rusty bullets. Get a new gun with new ammo.
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