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Post by trojanocean on Dec 25, 2023 19:01:53 GMT -6
I'm glad you are impressed by the title of Notre Dame OC. To quote Shania, that don't impress me much and that in no way means he'll be good at being THE man in the big chair. So, in that "pros" column wishlist of what I want vs. what I got and some possibilities I liked more before AND once I knew who the hire was (which will answer your question, Hemi). Proven success at leading a college football program |||||||||| Proven success at running an offense at a notable school. Bill Clark |||||||||| (The HC we donâÂÂt speak of) Lindsay
Rich Rodriguez Cadillac Williams*** Freddie Kitchens ***only an interim head coach but is currently more successful as interim than 0-6, particularly after each taking over a program basically in shambles. This is just to name a few of my preferables and they're not in order and don't include coaches we know but have no HC xp which would expand my very impromptu and short list WAY further and still wouldn't have Parker's name show up yet. Were I to include coaches without HC xp, I think I might could arrive at 20 names before I hit Parker's. Sean Reagan, Gasperano (spelling intentional), Charles Kelly, and Matt Moore just to name a quick few before I head to Christmas lunch. We could argue the merits of each of these candidates and I'm certain every fan on this board would have their own reasons on why each of these would or wouldn't be a good fit but that wasn't Hemi's question. And Parker might turn out to be better than our last coach! But to me, it is a complete roll of the dice on what is basically an unknown. The fact that (The HC we donât speak of) (The HC we donât speak of) is on your list, or on anyone else's list for that matter, speaks volumes. You've misunderstood. (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay is in the column of examples of people who's "pro" for them is they were hired because they were a successful OC at a noteworthy school.........so we see how that turned out. He is NOT and WAS not my choice back then, he was underwhelming and disappointing when he was announced as HC, and he fulfilled the prophecy. I'll be glad to be wrong this time; very, very glad. But so far this looks and feels like the same to me. I'm not alone, though I admit many have jumped on board in hope. I had too but my realist side is where I'm living from right now and not my hope-against-hope side. We'll see how it goes on the field. I don't owe him anything. He'll have to earn that. That's what he gets paid all those big bucks for to eventually move on for greener pastures so....let him earn it. I'm certain he'll be as loyal to me as I am to him and we all know how loyal these coaches are so...sorry, I don't give it away for free anymore.
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Post by trojanocean on Dec 25, 2023 19:06:35 GMT -6
I'm glad you are impressed by the title of Notre Dame OC. To quote Shania, that don't impress me much and that in no way means he'll be good at being THE man in the big chair.  So, in that "pros" column wishlist of what I want vs. what I got and some possibilities I liked more before AND once I knew who the hire was (which will answer your question, Hemi). Proven success at leading a college football program |||||||||| Proven success at running an offense at a notable school.  Bill Clark                                                               ||||||||||  (The HC we donât speak of) LindsayÂ
Rich Rodriguez Cadillac Williams*** Freddie Kitchens ***only an interim head coach but is currently more successful as interim than 0-6, particularly after each taking over a program basically in shambles.  This is just to name a few of my preferables and they're not in order and don't include coaches we know but have no HC xp which would expand my very impromptu and short list WAY further and still wouldn't have Parker's name show up yet. Were I to include coaches without HC xp, I think I might could arrive at 20 names before I hit Parker's. Sean Reagan, Gasperano (spelling intentional), Charles Kelly, and Matt Moore just to name a quick few before I head to Christmas lunch. We could argue the merits of each of these candidates and I'm certain every fan on this board would have their own reasons on why each of these would or wouldn't be a good fit but that wasn't Hemi's question.   And Parker might turn out to be better than our last coach! But to me, it is a complete roll of the dice on what is basically an unknown.  Clarkâs success is questionable at best at UAB. His success was built off of basically unlimited recruiting and minimal restrictions. You canât be serious about (The HC we don’t speak of). Rich Rod is a has been clinging on to his last hopes. Rich Rod 20 years ago? Bring him on. Im not sure Sean Reagan is ready to be head coach, but I would gladly take him as OC if we are in the market for one. Gasparado I think would have been a solid hire. Charles Kelly. No no no and never. Matt Moore I donât think will ever be a head coach. I think we had a legitimate search to find the man that best fits Troy and the Troy culture. That doesnât necessarily mean a Troy guy. Having said that your opinion carries the same weight as mine and everyone elseâs on here. The true judge of right and wrong will be measured in wins and losses. As I said, I'm certain everyone on here has their reasons for liking candidates and disliking candidates. I haven't really even exhausted my list of coaches before reaching the name "G. Parker" but this was simply to answer your question as to who I would want to consider prior to him. Shiel Wood is another, for example. But your last two sentences are spot on correct and I'll be the first in line for wanting me and my gut feeling on this hire to be incorrect.
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Post by Mark Gainey on Dec 25, 2023 19:29:12 GMT -6
It would take a lot to convince me we hired Parker because we really, really wanted to; meaning that he was in the 1) spot on that list Brent Jones keeps in his pocket. Or even in the top ten. Or was even ON the list until we burned through those who actually were on it and now we were down to the bottom of the barrel of who was left to pick from. It still makes zero sense to me. The only thing it seems he had going for him was he was in the camp of Brown and our last head coach. There was not anyone anywhere in the college football world who saw this Crazy Ivan move coming. And the reaction wasn't "WOW! Didn't expect that but now that we see it, WOW!" No, instead the reaction was MUCH the same as when we hired Fester. The faithful remnant swallowing hard, keeping it positive while keeping their reservations to themselves, and saying, "well, let's get behind it and hope for the best" and the OTHER faithful remnant scratching their heads and going "Really?...Seriously?...What just happened?" So, trouble hiring a coach at Troy? Yeah, I think that's definitely more than plausible. Are there a lot of coaches who would love to come to Troy? Sure! Are there a lot who would settle for what Troy has to offer when it's time to talk business? Well, I believe apparently not or someone else would be coaching at Troy. It is said that Texas A&M leaked Stoops name early before it was official to run it up the flagpole for the fanbase and see the reaction. The reaction was very sour and offer was withdrawn. We are not TX A&M. So we have to settle for a PR campaign from previous coaches and others to try to cajole support for our hire when the reaction from many has again been, "really?...seriously?...what just happened? Make a "pros" wishlist of what you would want in a head coach and compare that to the actual pros list we're getting with Parker and it would in NO way be an inspiring exercise. We have trouble hiring the coach we want at Troy. We have no trouble hiring any coach we can get at Troy. Even if this one seems like a Troy-Kinda-Guy. You can definitely have that opinion, but it's based on assumptions that are false. He was the absolute #1 on the list. If you've met the guy or spent any time around him, you understand why.
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Post by jonesoxygen on Dec 25, 2023 20:24:32 GMT -6
Spot onâ¦â¦The Sun Belt Conference is the gateway to future stout contractsâ¦â¦Malzahn,Freeze,Harsin,Drinkwitz,Brown,Sumrall,Cignetti,Satterfield all profited handsomely by taking sun belt jobs. Fans thinking we were scraping the bottom of the barrel to hire Notre Dameâs OC seems misguided I'm glad you are impressed by the title of Notre Dame OC. To quote Shania, that don't impress me much and that in no way means he'll be good at being THE man in the big chair. So, in that "pros" column wishlist of what I want vs. what I got and some possibilities I liked more before AND once I knew who the hire was (which will answer your question, Hemi). Proven success at leading a college football program |||||||||| Proven success at running an offense at a notable school. Bill Clark |||||||||| (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay
Rich Rodriguez Cadillac Williams*** Freddie Kitchens ***only an interim head coach but is currently more successful as interim than 0-6, particularly after each taking over a program basically in shambles. This is just to name a few of my preferables and they're not in order and don't include coaches we know but have no HC xp which would expand my very impromptu and short list WAY further and still wouldn't have Parker's name show up yet. Were I to include coaches without HC xp, I think I might could arrive at 20 names before I hit Parker's. Sean Reagan, Gasperano (spelling intentional), Charles Kelly, and Matt Moore just to name a quick few before I head to Christmas lunch. We could argue the merits of each of these candidates and I'm certain every fan on this board would have their own reasons on why each of these would or wouldn't be a good fit but that wasn't Hemi's question. And Parker might turn out to be better than our last coach! But to me, it is a complete roll of the dice on what is basically an unknown. Remove Bill Clark from the conversation. He’s loving retirement life. He’d lose his retirement dollars and he’s been out of the game two years with no interest in coming back right now. Wasted internet space.
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Post by pctrojan16 on Dec 25, 2023 21:27:08 GMT -6
The guy literally hasn’t coached a game yet Jesus Christ! Sone of yall sound like you need sone happiness in your life
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Post by Possum on Dec 25, 2023 21:53:20 GMT -6
GP was not on my radar… he stinks of the bald headed one we don’t mention, but I’m willing to give him a chance, unlike fester. Let’s see what he can do… we may prevail under him or fall flat on our face… All in all it’s the legacy of ADBJ that’s on the line…
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 25, 2023 22:30:19 GMT -6
Here's what I am tripping on. For those of you that are skeptical about HCGP, is that going to prevent you from buying tickets, gear, or donating?
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Post by foulpolephenom on Dec 26, 2023 8:09:49 GMT -6
GP was not on my radar⦠he stinks of the bald headed one we donât mention, but Iâm willing to give him a chance, unlike fester. Letâs see what he can do⦠we may prevail under him or fall flat on our face⦠All in all itâs the legacy of ADBJ thatâs on the line⦠He doesnât stink of (The HC we don’t speak of). This guy wasnât hired because he is an offensive guru. He was hired because heâs a leader.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 26, 2023 21:45:16 GMT -6
Here's what I am tripping on. For those of you that are skeptical about HCGP, is that going to prevent you from buying tickets, gear, or donating? Not for anyone on this board. For the casual fan, GP means little. They will stay/jump on the train if Troy continues to win championships. If GP goes 6-6 yea they will jump off.
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Post by fltrojan on Dec 27, 2023 5:06:44 GMT -6
Here's what I am tripping on. For those of you that are skeptical about HCGP, is that going to prevent you from buying tickets, gear, or donating? Not for anyone on this board. For the casual fan, GP means little. They will stay/jump on the train if Troy continues to win championships. If GP goes 6-6 yea they will jump off. Absolute truth. I remember sitting in the stands at the end of the season in.2014 (App St game if I remember correctly) and there couldn't have been more that 2,000 actual buts in the stands. Move to 2016 and we were back to 20,000-23,000 actual buts in stands. People love winners but it's especially true at Troy. I've been in the stands when we won 3 games and 12 games and as soon as you don't dominate at Troy the casual fan goes back to Bama and the Cow College. I'll always root for Troy no matter what. ** Legal disclosure. I much prefer the winning also. Go Trojans
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Post by trojanocean on Dec 27, 2023 7:57:44 GMT -6
Here's what I am tripping on. For those of you that are skeptical about HCGP, is that going to prevent you from buying tickets, gear, or donating? Honestly, yes. I love Troy football and will always be a fan. However, for me - on the list of "passion priorities" in my life - meaning things that matter, college football is low on that list. If it's donate to Trojan Warriors, buy season tickets, or fund the backpack program at my local alternative school which puts food in the mouth of kids on the weekend who otherwise are told at home by whomever happens to be their guardian at the time (it changes with the weather) "we can't afford to feed you", then my resources are spent in order of priority. Troy makes the list at times but it's only when I feel the desire to go above and beyond my "usual" circumstances. I wish I made the money some of you guys make but I don't, so budgeting and prioritizing is a thing for me. And it's not just financial resources but also time. For me, it's a 5 hr commitment of JUST driving 6+ Saturdays in the fall on the one day my wife and I have to "do nothing". She comes occasionally but is not a football fan at all really. Add in the Trojan Walk and the game and it's basically a 12 hr event commitment to justify buying season tickets. Plus, we dog-sit on the side. We have 8 dogs on average during the week and sometimes up to 12 on the weekend. And it's rare that I'm going to leave them by themselves all day on Saturday, so she'll stay with them while I go to the game. If they're mostly low-energy, older "lay-around" dogs then we'll axe the Trojan Walk and just come up for the game but that's still a long commitment. OR we choose not to take clients on that weekend. That's 12 x $30 x 3 days (Fri/Sat/Sun but honestly it's usually Thurs-Mon). That's saying no to $1080. All to show my loyalty to a football team. So is there a point of decision when it comes to these things? Absolutely there is. It's football. That'll absolutely take a backseat to buying clothes and food for the school kid who's dad sexually abused him for 4 years and his mother wants nothing to do with him because of her relationship with meth, so he's living with a grandma whose own life is nothing but a hurricane of chaos, doesn't really want him, and treats him like a throw-away (he sleeps in the garage...not the enclosed, climate-controlled garage but a lean-to with plywood walls 3/4 around). This isn't virtue-signaling or anything. It's a true story and his name is Allen. And there's a school full of Allen's with stories that are some of them, better, and some of them even worse. Am I a bandwagon fan? I guess so because I'm on or off depending on circumstances but it's not how I WANT it to be; it's how it SHOULD be...for me, at least. So when I choose to take the greater hit and buy those season tickets, make those drives, and sacrifice that time; do I take it a little more on the chin when a coach says in a breath "I'm staying put" and in the next breath jumps ship? Yeah, I do. I'll get over it and every man has to make his calls but it stings a bit more for me. I'm sorry about that. And do I withhold my level of investment in the circumstances we find ourselves in? Yeah, but not out of spite but because I was fortunate to be invested at all in the first place. And as has been noted in other threads, with a school like Troy there are probably tons more in my circumstance than at your average college of engineering, etc.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 27, 2023 8:09:21 GMT -6
Bandwagon fans do exist. It is not reflected in individuals who do make other choices due to circumstances at hand. It is also not reflected in those who are not blessed to have expendable income. It is merely a mirror that we hold up to our fan base (or anyone's fan base) that shows a 50% reduction in attendance or a 40% increase in attendance due to the W versus L ratio. Indeed, it is more difficult to sit in the stands and watch a sub-par team (define that however you wish). I give you the example of Florida State. Attendance for years 85K something and then some hard years hit recently, and their attendance was 35-45K with a reality of about 80% of that with butts in the stands. Nearly every fan base is afflicted with a human emotion as follows: I like winning and want to be a part of it and I hate losing and I don't like spending money on it.
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Post by pctrojan16 on Dec 27, 2023 11:01:46 GMT -6
We will see, what we are seeing currently is a man who is doing what he believes is the best for us to win (staff wise) and players who may have a great opportunity at a P5 school (transfers) don’t be surprised if we get a ND kid or two. As some are loyal to XHC, some will be loyal to HCGP and come with him
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Post by troyfan on Dec 28, 2023 19:09:02 GMT -6
Here's what I am tripping on. For those of you that are skeptical about HCGP, is that going to prevent you from buying tickets, gear, or donating? I’m all in. Football excellence donations season tickets and several hundred dollars at the bookstore every game day!
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Post by trojanthreads on Dec 28, 2023 21:47:34 GMT -6
Here's what I am tripping on. For those of you that are skeptical about HCGP, is that going to prevent you from buying tickets, gear, or donating? I’m all in. Football excellence donations season tickets and several hundred dollars at the bookstore every game day! You can always shop local instead
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 29, 2023 0:24:33 GMT -6
I’m all in. Football excellence donations season tickets and several hundred dollars at the bookstore every game day! You can always shop local instead
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Post by troyfan on Dec 29, 2023 13:46:55 GMT -6
I’m all in. Football excellence donations season tickets and several hundred dollars at the bookstore every game day! You can always shop local instead Get some more variety and big boy sizes
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Post by pctrojan16 on Dec 29, 2023 13:54:48 GMT -6
You can always shop local instead Get some more variety and big boy sizes Uh I’m 6’5 330 and they have stuff for me so they have big boy and decent variety for being a local, fairly new store
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 29, 2023 16:25:20 GMT -6
You can always shop local instead Get some more variety and big boy sizes I do enjoy it when stores carry “Executive” (fat man) sizes.
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Post by trojanthreads on Dec 30, 2023 0:03:23 GMT -6
You can always shop local instead Get some more variety and big boy sizes We carry all the way up to 4XL/5XL in most items, have over 200 items in the store, 50 different style hats, and 12 different style of polos. We will be adding 20-25 new items just in January/February alone (Adding more kids, women, animals, shirts, hats, and polos).
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 30, 2023 3:17:24 GMT -6
Get some more variety and big boy sizes We carry all the way up to 4XL/5XL in most items, have over 200 items in the store, 50 different style hats, and 12 different style of polos. We will be adding 20-25 new items just in January/February alone (Adding more kids, women, animals, shirts, hats, and polos). Props to you guys! You’re crushing it!
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Post by pctrojan16 on Dec 30, 2023 16:05:37 GMT -6
Get some more variety and big boy sizes We carry all the way up to 4XL/5XL in most items, have over 200 items in the store, 50 different style hats, and 12 different style of polos. We will be adding 20-25 new items just in January/February alone (Adding more kids, women, animals, shirts, hats, and polos). BOOM
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Post by trojantke on Jan 3, 2024 11:27:47 GMT -6
Get some more variety and big boy sizes We carry all the way up to 4XL/5XL in most items, have over 200 items in the store, 50 different style hats, and 12 different style of polos. We will be adding 20-25 new items just in January/February alone (Adding more kids, women, animals, shirts, hats, and polos). Animals? Anything for fish and birds?
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