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Post by doug4troy on Jun 5, 2014 18:01:40 GMT -6
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 5, 2014 18:29:18 GMT -6
I'm rooting for them...SBC! SBC! SBC!
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Post by Troystet on Jun 6, 2014 9:19:33 GMT -6
I hope they get slaughtered. Only SBC team I root for is Troy. The more success they have the harder we have it recruiting. They embarrassed us in both baseball and softball this year not to mention they have beaten us in football the last 3 , why do I want them to have more success. Go Troy!!! That's all.
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Post by doug4troy on Jun 6, 2014 15:23:31 GMT -6
Gotta pull for our conference to improve its brand. I would love for ULL to win it all. As a conference, I don't think we have many D-1 national titles, if any, in the "revenue generating sports."
Our conference getting better as a whole will help us IF we choose to implement sound strategies and truly invest in improving.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 6, 2014 15:38:32 GMT -6
If we are going to have a National title from our conference then I hope it's Troy. I could care less what the swamp people from Louisiana do. There success makes us look worse..jmo.
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Post by doug4troy on Jun 6, 2014 16:24:21 GMT -6
If we are going to have a National title from our conference then I hope it's Troy. I could care less what the swamp people from Louisiana do. There success makes us look worse..jmo. Well sure, if I had the choice between a natty for us or them... I would certainly choose Troy. But that just ain't possible this year. I don't agree that their success makes us or any SBC team look worse. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Troystet on Jun 6, 2014 16:32:33 GMT -6
If we are going to have a National title from our conference then I hope it's Troy. I could care less what the swamp people from Louisiana do. There success makes us look worse..jmo. Well sure, if I had the choice between a natty for us or them... I would certainly choose Troy. But that just ain't possible this year. I don't agree that their success makes us or any SBC team look worse. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk it does in recruiting. You have a baseball prospect looking at Troy and ULL. One went 55-7 the other below .500. One is in a Super Regionals the other lost in 3 in the SBC tourney. That makes a difference. I want Troy to be the one everyone is looking up to. The more teams that have more success puts us farther behind. I understand your point on how it strengthens the perception of the conference but it also hurts our recruiting to.
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Post by doug4troy on Jun 6, 2014 18:32:51 GMT -6
Well, I am certainly not hoping for a conference of bottom feeders and cellar dwellers. Using your logic, we should never wish for a better conference with successful teams. It would just be too difficult to recruit.
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Post by Redwaver on Jun 7, 2014 16:54:01 GMT -6
I'm rooting for them...SBC! SBC! SBC! The article says ULL is " top ranked and 6th national seed"....... That seems strange. Who decides seeds and based on what?
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 7, 2014 17:25:20 GMT -6
I'm rooting for them...SBC! SBC! SBC! The article says ULL is " top ranked and 6th national seed"....... That seems strange. Who decides seeds and based on what? They were ranked #1 the week of the 26th www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d1
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 7, 2014 18:51:23 GMT -6
I just hope our fans are watching and realizing it's ok to cheer and be a part of the game.
I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Redwaver on Jun 7, 2014 20:52:53 GMT -6
I just hope our fans are watching and realizing it's ok to cheer and be a part of the game. I think I'll have a beer. But they were ranked #2 prior to the Regionals!
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 7, 2014 21:37:31 GMT -6
I just hope our fans are watching and realizing it's ok to cheer and be a part of the game. I think I'll have a beer. But they were ranked #2 prior to the Regionals! They have been supporting their university for many years down there. During the good and bad times. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 8, 2014 12:17:45 GMT -6
But they were ranked #2 prior to the Regionals! They have been supporting their university for many years down there. During the good and bad times. I think I'll have a beer. i can guarantee not to the level they are now. Winning in football and now a national power in baseball and softball. It is also in a town 10 times the size of Troy and the school is for all practical purposes behind only LSU in the state. They support it very well but if you want big time fan support get a winning product on the field. I can gurantee Troy would have a standing room only crowd if it was ranked #2 and hosting a Regional and Super Regional.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 8, 2014 14:45:49 GMT -6
They have been supporting their university for many years down there. During the good and bad times. I think I'll have a beer. i can guarantee not to the level they are now. Winning in football and now a national power in baseball and softball. It is also in a town 10 times the size of Troy and the school is for all practical purposes behind only LSU in the state. They support it very well but if you want big time fan support get a winning product on the field. I can gurantee Troy would have a standing room only crowd if it was ranked #2 and hosting a Regional and Super Regional. What are you basing that guarantee off of? How about these numbers? www.troytrojans.com/documents/2011/6/17/Baseball_Attendance.pdf?id=744That year we won the conference and finished 30-5 at home. Troy's largest attendance ever was versus Alabama 2936. How best home record and ULL averaged more that season than our record a attendance. They finished 31-27 that year. Troy won 30 at home that year. www.collegebaseballdaily.com/2012/06/13/2012-ncaa-baseball-attendance-report/This year we weren't very good. www.collegebaseballdaily.com/2013/06/04/2013-ncbwa-attendance-report-june-4th/Last year we won the conference, ULL was 3rd. We didn't even break the top 50. Sure Troy would have standing room only if the hosted a Super Regional. The problem is they wouldn't be diehards and they wouldnt be sold out supporting Troy. Many of them would disappear and not come back until Troy was back in there spotlight. There wouldn't be 2000 more in the parking lot watching the game on TV because they couldn't get tickets. No offense but your line of thinking is a huge part of the problem at Troy. Win and they will come. That's not the case at all. We've done that in the past in football and baseball and attendance numbers were largely unaffected. Lafayette is much bigger and that helps them. However, that's not the real story behind their support and success. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by doug4troy on Jun 8, 2014 16:00:11 GMT -6
Sadly, most "Troy fans" mentality is predictble:
They will "support" Troy if, and only if, they win; and if, and only if, UAT or AU is not playing; and if, and only if, it's not raining; and if, and only if, it's on a Saturday; and if, and only if, they get free tickets; and if, and only if, they get free stuff for their donations; and if, and only if, the recruit from their area; and if, and only if, there is not too much cheering, standing, or exertion required.
But in reality, the support these "fans" give is fleeting and superficial. We have played home games against Sun Belt foes that were basically a conference title game... and few showed up. If it ain't against the mighty SEC, they just aren't interested.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 8, 2014 16:00:41 GMT -6
I understand your frustration, I share it also. It frustrates me to know in the last 2 years I have attended more home football games (11) and more baseball games (5) than friends I have that live 20-45 minutes away and I am 6 hours. ULL has a huge advantage in that they are The University of Louisiana ( sure Monroe is also but what competition is that). The only thing they compete against really is LSU and to a lesser extent Tech. They have a town of 150,000 and a enrollment around 17,000. Troy has enough problems drawing fans as it is. Please understand my point about losing not helping. I have seen here in the Bucs and Rays. When both win they draw good, when they don't attendance is pathetic. Troy can't expect a already fickle fan base to come out and watch below .500 ball. There will always be fans like you and a lot of us that will always support and root for Troy, but the fact of life is there are far fewer of us than of "The All The World Loves A Winner".
Truth be told Hemi, when you think about it, it amazes me that we can draw 20,000-25,000 to a game when you look at the area. It is really an amazing accomplishment. I was born in Akron, OH and have a lot of family there. Akron has around 300,000 people give or take, and Akron U. Has 36,000 students. Troy outdraws them in football. While frustrating, it isn't all bad considering what Troy overcomes in population. Not much has changed population wise since we were a D11 school. There is room for improvement yes, but I still believe that winning on a year in and year out level can help to errase the Tide and War Eagle problem in the area.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 8, 2014 16:05:28 GMT -6
Sadly, most "Troy fans" mentality is predictble: They will "support" Troy if, and only if, they win; and if, and only if, UAT or AU is not playing; and if, and only if, it's not raining; and if, and only if, it's on a Saturday; and if, and only if, they get free tickets; and if, and only if, they get free stuff for their donations; and if, and only if, the recruit from their area; and if, and only if, there is not too much cheering, standing, or exertion required. But in reality, the support these "fans" give is fleeting and superficial. We have played home games against Sun Belt foes that were basically a conference title game... and few showed up. If it ain't against the mighty SEC, they just aren't interested. Sad but True. I don't understand it especially those who graduated Troy. Look on some of their facebooks and you see their school as Alabama or Auburn because they got a masters there and you see posts about Roll Tide, Go Noles, Go Gators....it makes me sick.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 8, 2014 16:56:23 GMT -6
I understand your frustration, I share it also. It frustrates me to know in the last 2 years I have attended more home football games (11) and more baseball games (5) than friends I have that live 20-45 minutes away and I am 6 hours. ULL has a huge advantage in that they are The University of Louisiana ( sure Monroe is also but what competition is that). The only thing they compete against really is LSU and to a lesser extent Tech. They have a town of 150,000 and a enrollment around 17,000. Troy has enough problems drawing fans as it is. Please understand my point about losing not helping. I have seen here in the Bucs and Rays. When both win they draw good, when they don't attendance is pathetic. Troy can't expect a already fickle fan base to come out and watch below .500 ball. There will always be fans like you and a lot of us that will always support and root for Troy, but the fact of life is there are far fewer of us than of "The All The World Loves A Winner". Truth be told Hemi, when you think about it, it amazes me that we can draw 20,000-25,000 to a game when you look at the area. It is really an amazing accomplishment. I was born in Akron, OH and have a lot of family there. Akron has around 300,000 people give or take, and Akron U. Has 36,000 students. Troy outdraws them in football. While frustrating, it isn't all bad considering what Troy overcomes in population. Not much has changed population wise since we were a D11 school. There is room for improvement yes, but I still believe that winning on a year in and year out level can help to errase the Tide and War Eagle problem in the area. What? 6a46f7e4 They most certainly can and should expect the people they educate to be loyal. The sooner we embrace it, the sooner we can start leveling the playing field.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 8, 2014 17:30:25 GMT -6
How you get them to is the hard part. If you get your degree from a school you should support that school. Sadly, that doesn't happen all the time at Troy. It's better than the 80's when I was there but it's still not where it should be. I wish Troy alumni would embrace it but they don't. Other problem is 3/4 of the Troy University system doesn't attend in Troy. Hard enough getting the 1/4 engaged, how do we reach the other 75%
yes, Troy should expect alumni and students to embrace Troy. My point was the fans are stubborn enough as it is, losing makes it worse IMO, but Hemi has a point in that it isn't drastically better when Troy is winning...sigh???
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 8, 2014 20:21:04 GMT -6
How you get them to is the hard part. If you get your degree from a school you should support that school. Sadly, that doesn't happen all the time at Troy. It's better than the 80's when I was there but it's still not where it should be. I wish Troy alumni would embrace it but they don't. Other problem is 3/4 of the Troy University system doesn't attend in Troy. Hard enough getting the 1/4 engaged, how do we reach the other 75% yes, Troy should expect alumni and students to embrace Troy. My point was the fans are stubborn enough as it is, losing makes it worse IMO, but Hemi has a point in that it isn't drastically better when Troy is winning...sigh??? Please stop "quoting" stats...I didn't attend the main campus for a single class and we've had season tickets since '99.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 9, 2014 6:53:59 GMT -6
There are many involved right now in Troy athletics as donors and fans that never attended one class on campus, but attended elsewhere. I'm a big fan of a $75 athletics fee for all students in Troy. This money would go straight to athletics not up the hill like the student activity fees does right now. You can't charge that fee to branch campuses, but you can invite them and provide a ticket for them. Very few will attend on a regular basis and if they do you will make it up on concessions and them bringing a friend. We need to stop acting like those people are a part of Troy. Some of those people support Troy much stronger than those that spent four years on campus in Troy.
I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 9, 2014 8:14:04 GMT -6
There are many involved right now in Troy athletics as donors and fans that never attended one class on campus, but attended elsewhere. I'm a big fan of a $75 athletics fee for all students in Troy. This money would go straight to athletics not up the hill like the student activity fees does right now. You can't charge that fee to branch campuses, but you can invite them and provide a ticket for them. Very few will attend on a regular basis and if they do you will make it up on concessions and them bringing a friend. We need to stop acting like those people are a part of Troy. Some of those people support Troy much stronger than those that spent four years on campus in Troy. I think I'll have a beer. With the exception of Duke this season ( and doubtful that it will be a sell out. We drew 29,000 for MSU and 24,000 for Navy in 2012) we will draw 17,000-21,000 a game. The University is out nothing by giving some tickets away. Your point is spot on that they can make it up on concessions and possibly gain a fan. I would rather see them do that than look at empty aluminum bleachers. Empty spots make no money. Get some tickets sent to students in Dothan, Montgomery, Phoenix City etc. Better yet, get tickets in the hands of fans like you that live close and support Troy and let you guys get the tickets to people. A win-win IMO. I agree on the $75 fee but you will get flack on it. The student activity fee just went to $38 a credit hour And tuition went up 3% for undergrads and 7% for grad students. I agree it is necessary but parents and students will not want to pay it on top of the other increases. I actually like a $100 fee, that changes it from $540,000 to $720,000 x two semesters would bring in $1,440,000 a year.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 10, 2014 6:45:37 GMT -6
There are many involved right now in Troy athletics as donors and fans that never attended one class on campus, but attended elsewhere. I'm a big fan of a $75 athletics fee for all students in Troy. This money would go straight to athletics not up the hill like the student activity fees does right now. You can't charge that fee to branch campuses, but you can invite them and provide a ticket for them. Very few will attend on a regular basis and if they do you will make it up on concessions and them bringing a friend. We need to stop acting like those people are a part of Troy. Some of those people support Troy much stronger than those that spent four years on campus in Troy. I think I'll have a beer. With the exception of Duke this season ( and doubtful that it will be a sell out. We drew 29,000 for MSU and 24,000 for Navy in 2012) we will draw 17,000-21,000 a game. The University is out nothing by giving some tickets away. Your point is spot on that they can make it up on concessions and possibly gain a fan. I would rather see them do that than look at empty aluminum bleachers. Empty spots make no money. Get some tickets sent to students in Dothan, Montgomery, Phoenix City etc. Better yet, get tickets in the hands of fans like you that live close and support Troy and let you guys get the tickets to people. A win-win IMO. I agree on the $75 fee but you will get flack on it. The student activity fee just went to $38 a credit hour And tuition went up 3% for undergrads and 7% for grad students. I agree it is necessary but parents and students will not want to pay it on top of the other increases. I actually like a $100 fee, that changes it from $540,000 to $720,000 x two semesters would bring in $1,440,000 a year. Sure there will be flack, but it's part of the growing pains of trying to be big time. One other thought. It seems Troy is so politically correct. I think there would be a huge backlash from some of the hand sitters if our crowds became vocal and rowdy like the fans at ULL. I bet there would be no complaints from our student athletes though. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 11, 2014 7:10:36 GMT -6
Sure there will be flack, but it's part of the growing pains of trying to be big time. One other thought. It seems Troy is so politically correct. I think there would be a huge backlash from some of the hand sitters if our crowds became vocal and rowdy like the fans at ULL. I bet there would be no complaints from our student athletes though. I think I'll have a beer. Not so much politically correct but a conflict between the old school view and the newer view. Seen this a lot when I had stadium club seats in 2012. Had this old grouchy couple next to us. He got mad when a younger couple stood and cheered and he couldn't see and all she did was talk about how we all needed to Thank John Long for everything. She kept talking about the old days and John Long constantly. Finally I told the old grump to leave the couple alone, this was football and people cheer. They got mad and left. Good riddance. There are many like them, not all, I have gotten to know one former player from the. 60's who I have the utmost respect for. He is at a Trojan Warrior functions, active in the T-Club, attends games and functions. He is the exception and there are many who still want or view Troy as what it once was. We made a commitment to go D1. We will be a bottom feeder if we think like a D11 school. It's time to fish or cut bait. We either make a commitment to be champions or be content in being bottom rung of the Sun Belt
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