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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 19, 2020 16:06:28 GMT -6
Very, very different scenarios.
Dabo Swinney, along with being the WR Coach, had already been named the Assistant Head Coach by Tommy Bowden a couple of years before Bowden resigned.
Swinney also had a reputation as one of the top recruiters in the nation.
I also remember how Clemson fans were calling for Swinney to be fired after he went 6-7 in his third year at the helm, even getting beat by 3 TD's against rival South Carolina that year and losing to USF in a bowl game.
Sumrall doesn't have that same kind of experience. He was never an assistant head coach, has never coached at the top P5 programs like Swinney, and isn't currently considered a top national recruiter.
Bowden didn't resign. He was fired. ANd you know what else is interesting? Besides being linebackers coach, you know what title Sumrall had? Assistant Head Coach. troytrojans.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/jon-sumrall/1052Hmmmmmm. Darn pesky stubborn facts.
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 19, 2020 16:08:25 GMT -6
Nice list. Touché. Open Letter to Dictator Jones: The next hall of famer coach is wasting away as inside linebacker coach at Kentucky. Do everything in your considerable power to fire (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay and hire big Jon S. Do not fail us. His success is guaranteed. Below his resume. Sumrall Coaching History Sumrall Coaching History Year School Position, Postseason 2007-09 San Diego Defensive Line/Recruiting Coordinator 2010-11 San Diego Co-Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers 2011 San Diego Assistant Head Coach 2012-13 Tulane Defensive Line, one bowl 2014 Tulane Linebackers 2015-18 Troy Linebackers/Special Teams Coordinator, three bowls 2018 Ole Miss Linebackers 2019-present Kentucky Inside Linebacker Let's get all the facts straight since that's your biggest selling point. He was assistant head coach at Troy, LB's coach at UK and is currently Co-DC at UK. The point back then during the hiring process has already been presented, it was the culture and the staff that he would have retained. The biggest part was he was invovled with the recruitment of 50+ of our scholarship players at that time going into last season. No other candidate had that box checked. I'm with FoulPole. I'll support Troy regardless, but since you keep bringing up all the talk about "hiring buddies" and crap, at least get it all correct. Hmmmmm, more of those pesky facts. I love facts. They make me smile.
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Post by Possum on Oct 19, 2020 16:17:15 GMT -6
^ this.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 19, 2020 16:18:20 GMT -6
Nice list. Touché. Open Letter to Dictator Jones: The next hall of famer coach is wasting away as inside linebacker coach at Kentucky. Do everything in your considerable power to fire (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay and hire big Jon S. Do not fail us. His success is guaranteed. Below his resume. Sumrall Coaching History Sumrall Coaching History Year School Position, Postseason 2007-09 San Diego Defensive Line/Recruiting Coordinator 2010-11 San Diego Co-Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers 2011 San Diego Assistant Head Coach 2012-13 Tulane Defensive Line, one bowl 2014 Tulane Linebackers 2015-18 Troy Linebackers/Special Teams Coordinator, three bowls 2018 Ole Miss Linebackers 2019-present Kentucky Inside Linebacker Let's get all the facts straight since that's your biggest selling point. He was assistant head coach at Troy, LB's coach at UK and is currently Co-DC at UK. The point back then during the hiring process has already been presented, it was the culture and the staff that he would have retained. The biggest part was he was invovled with the recruitment of 50+ of our scholarship players at that time going into last season. No other candidate had that box checked. I'm with FoulPole. I'll support Troy regardless, but since you keep bringing up all the talk about "hiring buddies" and crap, at least get it all correct. No worries. Letâs do it Why wait around ? Fire (The HC we don’t speak of), get good ole buddy Jon in here, he can hire his ole buddies and we start winning Sunbelt championships. Iâm in.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 19, 2020 16:26:30 GMT -6
Nice list. Touché. Open Letter to Dictator Jones: The next hall of famer coach is wasting away as inside linebacker coach at Kentucky. Do everything in your considerable power to fire (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay and hire big Jon S. Do not fail us. His success is guaranteed. Below his resume. Sumrall Coaching History Sumrall Coaching History Year School Position, Postseason 2007-09 San Diego Defensive Line/Recruiting Coordinator 2010-11 San Diego Co-Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers 2011 San Diego Assistant Head Coach 2012-13 Tulane Defensive Line, one bowl 2014 Tulane Linebackers 2015-18 Troy Linebackers/Special Teams Coordinator, three bowls 2018 Ole Miss Linebackers 2019-present Kentucky Inside Linebacker Let's get all the facts straight since that's your biggest selling point. He was assistant head coach at Troy, LB's coach at UK and is currently Co-DC at UK. The point back then during the hiring process has already been presented, it was the culture and the staff that he would have retained. The biggest part was he was invovled with the recruitment of 50+ of our scholarship players at that time going into last season. No other candidate had that box checked. I'm with FoulPole. I'll support Troy regardless, but since you keep bringing up all the talk about "hiring buddies" and crap, at least get it all correct. Just to ensure we have the pesky facts. Why doesnât the Kentucky website list him as Co-DC. They list his title as Inside Linebackers Coach. No need to write things that are untrue, or maybe you mistyped or maybe itâs an âunannouncedâ âunder the table promotion ? Hmm I admit I havenât done a deep dive in Twitter or Bing to see any updates information but itâs not readily available ukathletics.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/jon-sumrall/4543
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 19, 2020 17:32:58 GMT -6
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 19, 2020 17:46:37 GMT -6
Good for Jon ! Looks like he is doing well as the Inside Linebackers Coach at Kentucky. He is a good guy, he will do well. And he turned down Power 5 Defensive Coordinator jobs. Those don’t come up often. Maybe has sights set on Head Coach opportunity at Auburn or Texas next. Hear the coaches at those schools are on the hot seat.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 20, 2020 2:27:48 GMT -6
Not everyone in favor of a new HC is in favor of Jon Sumrall, just sayin'. Some of us would prefer a young proven winner from the I-AA ranks.
Yeah, I know Campbell was a winner in I-AA. He was also too old when he went to south. If he was supposed to be a I-A HC he should have already got there.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 20, 2020 5:04:22 GMT -6
Not everyone in favor of a new HC is in favor of Jon Sumrall, just sayin'. Some of us would prefer a young proven winner from the I-AA ranks. Yeah, I know Campbell was a winner in I-AA. He was also too old when he went to south. If he was supposed to be a I-A HC he should have already got there. I understand you have a different opinion but according to all his buddies here in Troy, Sumrall is the only choice for HC. Although they agree we shouldn’t hire our buddies, Sumrall is turning down opportunities at Power 5 schools to potentially return to Troy. He is one of the SEC’s best recruiter, getting several 3 star recruits to come to Kentucky. Although just the Inside Linebackers Coach at Kentucky, he is really the “under the table” DC. He is the next Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney. If you need additional info even the folks who never have met him and barely know his name will tell you he is the only choice. If you want to win Championships, you would not even consider a IAA coach who has built a program and taken that program to IAA playoffs year after year 😁
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Post by Troystet on Oct 20, 2020 5:14:59 GMT -6
Not everyone in favor of a new HC is in favor of Jon Sumrall, just sayin'. Some of us would prefer a young proven winner from the I-AA ranks. Yeah, I know Campbell was a winner in I-AA. He was also too old when he went to south. If he was supposed to be a I-A HC he should have already got there. I understand you have a different opinion but according to all his buddies here in Troy, Sumrall is the only choice for HC. Although they agree we shouldnât hire our buddies, Sumrall is turning down opportunities at Power 5 schools to potentially return to Troy. He is one of the SECâs best recruiter, getting several 3 star recruits to come to Kentucky. Although just the Inside Linebackers Coach at Kentucky, he is really the âunder the tableâ DC. He is the next Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney. If you need additional info even the folks who never have met him and barely know his name will tell you he is the only choice. If you want to win Championships, you would not even consider a IAA coach who has built a program and taken that program to IAA playoffs year after year ð No what they are saying was the administration at the time narrowed the list down to two...Jon and (The HC we don’t speak of). One could have kept the culture the same and retained some of the prior staff. No one is saying he is the only choice, they are saying it's becoming obvious they chose the wrong one of the two. No possible way Jon does worse
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 20, 2020 5:58:16 GMT -6
I understand you have a different opinion but according to all his buddies here in Troy, Sumrall is the only choice for HC. Although they agree we shouldnât hire our buddies, Sumrall is turning down opportunities at Power 5 schools to potentially return to Troy. He is one of the SECâs best recruiter, getting several 3 star recruits to come to Kentucky. Although just the Inside Linebackers Coach at Kentucky, he is really the âunder the tableâ DC. He is the next Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney. If you need additional info even the folks who never have met him and barely know his name will tell you he is the only choice. If you want to win Championships, you would not even consider a IAA coach who has built a program and taken that program to IAA playoffs year after year ð No what they are saying was the administration at the time narrowed the list down to two...Jon and (The HC we don’t speak of). One could have kept the culture the same and retained some of the prior staff. No one is saying he is the only choice, they are saying it's becoming obvious they chose the wrong one of the two. No possible way Jon does worse Spot on!
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 20, 2020 6:08:14 GMT -6
I understand you have a different opinion but according to all his buddies here in Troy, Sumrall is the only choice for HC. Although they agree we shouldnât hire our buddies, Sumrall is turning down opportunities at Power 5 schools to potentially return to Troy. He is one of the SECâs best recruiter, getting several 3 star recruits to come to Kentucky. Although just the Inside Linebackers Coach at Kentucky, he is really the âunder the tableâ DC. He is the next Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney. If you need additional info even the folks who never have met him and barely know his name will tell you he is the only choice. If you want to win Championships, you would not even consider a IAA coach who has built a program and taken that program to IAA playoffs year after year ð No what they are saying was the administration at the time narrowed the list down to two...Jon and (The HC we don’t speak of). One could have kept the culture the same and retained some of the prior staff. No one is saying he is the only choice, they are saying it's becoming obvious they chose the wrong one of the two. No possible way Jon does worse Man, Troy could have been the next Clemson or Florida with the next Dabo or Urban leading us to National Championships ! I am glad so many Troy fans can predict the future. Any tips on the next lotto numbers ?
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 20, 2020 6:22:54 GMT -6
I understand you have a different opinion but according to all his buddies here in Troy, Sumrall is the only choice for HC. Although they agree we shouldnât hire our buddies, Sumrall is turning down opportunities at Power 5 schools to potentially return to Troy. He is one of the SECâs best recruiter, getting several 3 star recruits to come to Kentucky. Although just the Inside Linebackers Coach at Kentucky, he is really the âunder the tableâ DC. He is the next Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney. If you need additional info even the folks who never have met him and barely know his name will tell you he is the only choice. If you want to win Championships, you would not even consider a IAA coach who has built a program and taken that program to IAA playoffs year after year ð No what they are saying was the administration at the time narrowed the list down to two...Jon and (The HC we don’t speak of). One could have kept the culture the same and retained some of the prior staff. No one is saying he is the only choice, they are saying it's becoming obvious they chose the wrong one of the two. No possible way Jon does worse LOL. My post went way over your head. Remember today is a good day. Be positive!
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Post by jonesoxygen on Oct 20, 2020 6:28:34 GMT -6
Not everyone in favor of a new HC is in favor of Jon Sumrall, just sayin'. Some of us would prefer a young proven winner from the I-AA ranks. Yeah, I know Campbell was a winner in I-AA. He was also too old when he went to south. If he was supposed to be a I-A HC he should have already got there. I understand you have a different opinion but according to all his buddies here in Troy, Sumrall is the only choice for HC. Although they agree we shouldn’t hire our buddies, Sumrall is turning down opportunities at Power 5 schools to potentially return to Troy. He is one of the SEC’s best recruiter, getting several 3 star recruits to come to Kentucky. Although just the Inside Linebackers Coach at Kentucky, he is really the “under the table” DC. He is the next Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney. If you need additional info even the folks who never have met him and barely know his name will tell you he is the only choice. If you want to win Championships, you would not even consider a IAA coach who has built a program and taken that program to IAA playoffs year after year 😁 You really enjoy this don’t you? Take just a bit of info and stretch it to fit your narrative to continue beating a dead horse. Guessing you’re one of those who wanted to hire Steve Campbell. Or you’re not even a Troy fan and just come here to get people worked up.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 20, 2020 7:19:02 GMT -6
I understand you have a different opinion but according to all his buddies here in Troy, Sumrall is the only choice for HC. Although they agree we shouldnât hire our buddies, Sumrall is turning down opportunities at Power 5 schools to potentially return to Troy. He is one of the SECâs best recruiter, getting several 3 star recruits to come to Kentucky. Although just the Inside Linebackers Coach at Kentucky, he is really the âunder the tableâ DC. He is the next Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney. If you need additional info even the folks who never have met him and barely know his name will tell you he is the only choice. If you want to win Championships, you would not even consider a IAA coach who has built a program and taken that program to IAA playoffs year after year ð You really enjoy this donât you? Take just a bit of info and stretch it to fit your narrative to continue beating a dead horse. Guessing youâre one of those who wanted to hire Steve Campbell. Or youâre not even a Troy fan and just come here to get people worked up. LOL. Relax Although entertaining, my posts in this particular thread are mostly in jest to point out the irrelevance, hypocrisy and disconnection to reality of some of these folks posting. I do find it amazing that people on here claim to love the Trojans but are actively trying to undermine the current staff to the point they want him and the team to lose ! This is upsetting. No, I wouldnât have selected (The HC we don’t speak of) (or Campbell) but it is who we got and I will do everything I can do to help him and team win. So when the time come we win Championships or the time comes he has lost the team/program, I can say I did everything I could. I hope you are doing the same. Your posts indicate you do. Others on here are just filled with hate and are unhappy people. I am as Trojan as they come. Love my Trojans. I would not be as happy, successful as I have been in business and family without Troy. Proud Alumni and Supporter. Good day JonesOxygen.
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Post by skeeter on Oct 20, 2020 8:04:47 GMT -6
"Its TIME, its Deer season TIME", also Turkey season is JUST right around the corner. I'm looking for a DC and a OC to help me accomplish a back to back winning seasons, them Turkeys will be tough to defeat without a game plan.
ANY TAKERS?
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 20, 2020 8:58:05 GMT -6
You really enjoy this donât you? Take just a bit of info and stretch it to fit your narrative to continue beating a dead horse. Guessing youâre one of those who wanted to hire Steve Campbell. Or youâre not even a Troy fan and just come here to get people worked up. LOL. Relax Although entertaining, my posts in this particular thread are mostly in jest to point out the irrelevance, hypocrisy and disconnection to reality of some of these folks posting. I do find it amazing that people on here claim to love the Trojans but are actively trying to undermine the current staff to the point they want him and the team to lose ! This is upsetting. No, I wouldnât have selected (The HC we don’t speak of) (or Campbell) but it is who we got and I will do everything I can do to help him and team win. So when the time come we win Championships or the time comes he has lost the team/program, I can say I did everything I could. I hope you are doing the same. Your posts indicate you do. Others on here are just filled with hate and are unhappy people. I am as Trojan as they come. Love my Trojans. I would not be as happy, successful as I have been in business and family without Troy. Proud Alumni and Supporter. Good day JonesOxygen. Show me the people on here wanting Troy to lose.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 20, 2020 9:32:26 GMT -6
LOL. Relax Although entertaining, my posts in this particular thread are mostly in jest to point out the irrelevance, hypocrisy and disconnection to reality of some of these folks posting. I do find it amazing that people on here claim to love the Trojans but are actively trying to undermine the current staff to the point they want him and the team to lose ! This is upsetting. No, I wouldnât have selected (The HC we don’t speak of) (or Campbell) but it is who we got and I will do everything I can do to help him and team win. So when the time come we win Championships or the time comes he has lost the team/program, I can say I did everything I could. I hope you are doing the same. Your posts indicate you do. Others on here are just filled with hate and are unhappy people. I am as Trojan as they come. Love my Trojans. I would not be as happy, successful as I have been in business and family without Troy. Proud Alumni and Supporter. Good day JonesOxygen. Show me the people on here wanting Troy to lose. Blazer (whatever) and the occasional opponent fan who comes on here. Other than that everyone wants Troy to win. If we didn't care we wouldn't be here
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Post by Possum on Oct 20, 2020 9:42:47 GMT -6
Show me the people on here wanting Troy to lose. Blazer (whatever) and the occasional opponent fan who comes on here. Other than that everyone wants Troy to win. If we didn't care we wouldn't be here Exactly. We WANT/NEED/EXPECT Excellence on and off the field in every sport and in every aspect of the school we love. We are Trojans one and all, D*MN it!
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Oct 20, 2020 9:51:39 GMT -6
So what's up with the hotdogs this season? Are they served warm? Are they tasty? Do the soda cups smell like industrial degreaser? Are the bathrooms clean?
Ah the golden age of Troy football. I miss the days when we argued for page after page about the really important stuff.
MTFGA = Make Troy Football Great Again!
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 20, 2020 9:57:45 GMT -6
Show me the people on here wanting Troy to lose. Blazer (whatever) and the occasional opponent fan who comes on here. Other than that everyone wants Troy to win. If we didn't care we wouldn't be here Blazer (whatever) and the occasional opponent fan who comes on here. Other than that everyone wants Troy to win. If we didn't care we wouldn't be here Exactly. We WANT/NEED/EXPECT Excellence on and off the field in every sport and in every aspect of the school we love. We are Trojans one and all, D*MN it! If this is what you want, then let your posts reflect it. It’s 100% ok and expected to hold the AD, coaching and Admin accountable. But the posts constantly about how bad you think the coaches are, how bad one believes we are going to lose, not even giving our kids a shot, it takes a toll. All indicate being non supportive and destructive. And we all can improve on this. JMO
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Post by Possum on Oct 20, 2020 11:03:27 GMT -6
I will TRY to improve as long as our football coaches and players do the same.
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Post by trojantke on Oct 20, 2020 13:08:56 GMT -6
Blame coach, blame Brent, blame the administration, blame the players, etc etc etc. 90% of the people coming to the Vet sit on their hands and make 0 noise unless its for SOTS. If we were making a hostile home environment and still seeing poor results, I'd be with you as we load up the blame train. Until then, let's fix what we can fix. Let's try relentless positivity and support. If it doesn't work, we'll just try it again. Go Troy!
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Post by Possum on Oct 20, 2020 14:39:08 GMT -6
I was hoarse after the Texas state game... you can count on me
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 20, 2020 17:44:49 GMT -6
I can't speak for others, but I can tell you that not being a fan of CL doesn't mean I want Troy to lose. I will tell you that I'm tired of treating wins over nobodies like a big deal. I'm tired of looking at what should be considered a catastrophe and saying, "Well, a win is a win." I'm tired of looking at this board and the Sun Belt board and seeing Troy fans kissing App, ULL, and Coastal....f-ing Coastal!! a$$ and swooning over them because we need them to help us look like we're not so terrible.
TROY should have the coach everyone wants. TROY should be blowing out I-AA teams.
TROY should be ranked.
TROY shouldn't be writing off games against ANY G5 opponent, much less the Sun Belt.
TROY shouldn't be the home of excuses and "next year."
And there's nothing I see in (The HC we don’t speak of) that tells me he can get us there.
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