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Post by pctrojan16 on May 31, 2019 16:07:24 GMT -6
I have debated wanting to start this discussion as I teeter on my pro/con with (The HC we don’t speak of), but I saw some more Twitter posts that have me worried. Unless I am wrong we have gone from 106 players to 82. More and more kids are leaving, some who are starters and I believe it has to be said. Is this staff and our HC really the right fit for the job, or will we regress back to the days of losing to ACU at home?
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Post by saintflorian on May 31, 2019 16:41:13 GMT -6
We can only have 85 total scholarships. Come fall the invited walk ons with boost that number. Our two deep looks strong, a few holes. Turnover with a new staff is normal, happens everywhere.
At the end of day we should judge (The HC we don’t speak of) on his wins and losses based on the programâs status and situation. Currently he is 0-0. Will wait to see what side of the ledger fills up to judge him.
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Post by Hemi Man on May 31, 2019 16:51:44 GMT -6
In six months everything will be clearer. Win 9 or more and you’re in. Win 7 or less and the for sale signs will come out.
Don’t sweat players leaving. I’m sure more will disappear from the roster in the next two months for various reasons.
Enjoy the ride.
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Post by Troystet on May 31, 2019 17:50:01 GMT -6
Got one of my former teammates son on campus right now. Great kid and great family. Look for him to surprise some folks come fall camp. Tad undersized but plays with heart and passion.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on May 31, 2019 21:33:50 GMT -6
Who else has left the program that is a familiar name?
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Post by atlantatrojan on May 31, 2019 21:42:16 GMT -6
Either (The HC we don’t speak of) isnât as big on social media or thereâs not as much fire coming from him. Not sure which one it is yet. But Iâll agree with Hemi for now. Win 9+ and your good in my books.
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Post by pctrojan16 on May 31, 2019 22:01:48 GMT -6
Who else has left the program that is a familiar name? Tyler Murray, Richard Hollman
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Jun 1, 2019 4:43:23 GMT -6
As of my check just now Tyler Murray is still on the roster. Didn't see Hollman.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jun 1, 2019 5:45:03 GMT -6
I would not doubt that the new coach and staff transition has a pretty good amount influence in this process but I am quite sure (POSITIVE) that this year of the beginning of the portal and guys leaving that way has a bit of snowball effect or at least makes it more attractive. Once you lose a few the thought gets in their heads. I remember when Brown came in we lost guys too and while I donât recall exact names at the time I was a little surprised. I am sure (The HC we don’t speak of) is thinking about all the moving parts and it his show. We will see.
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Post by trojan2003 on Jun 1, 2019 6:01:40 GMT -6
Murray is leaving and will transfer. IMO too many DF starters leaving us. They might not be happy with coaching, idk but since starters are leaving it can’t be lack of playing time.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jun 1, 2019 6:46:34 GMT -6
Yes a second team preseason (Athlon) safety leaving is a little concerning. It does seem like we are losing a bigger share on that side with what would now be three D starters. Hopefully trend stops. I am sure that there is more to the story but makes you go ...Huh?.....
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Post by doc71 on Jun 1, 2019 7:32:35 GMT -6
Yes a second team preseason (Athlon) safety leaving is a little concerning. It does seem like we are losing a bigger share on that side with what would now be three D starters. Hopefully trend stops. I am sure that there is more to the story but makes you go ...Huh?..... Not sure of Murray's situation ... but again, from reliable sources, the other two transferring had Zero to do with coaching change! One for sure, and likely both, were gone if Brown stayed.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Jun 1, 2019 8:04:43 GMT -6
I'm watching this off season with a tilted head and a raised eyebrow. We don't know for sure what CCL and staff will bring to the program, we must wait and see. That said, I'll offer a couple of thoughts.
1) It's really easy to see how one offensive system differs from another and would be easy to understand how a change in offensive systems would lead to a big exodus of guys who fit well in system one but not in system two (think triple option transitioning to spread/pass oriented). It's not as easy to see how different defensive systems can be. VK's defense was not like a lot of defenses in that it relied on deception and speed from the secondary (especially the linebackers and corners) and a swarming the ball kind of attack. Perhaps our new scheme will require different skills. We are really deep on that side, so I'll remain cautiously optimistic for now that the loss of these quality defensive guys will not decimate us.
2) Related to the above, I was at the spring game and the defense looked really good. If one of the squads can weather the storm of having guys leave, it's the defense.
3) The offense, while similar to what we've seen in the recent past, will look different. Time will tell if that's good or bad.
4) Though unrelated to the discussion of defensive player exodus, this does pertain to the thread topic. I've been to multiple Trojan Tour and Bowl party events over the last few years, including this year's Tour event this past Tuesday night here in Dothan. For any of you who have yet to meet CCL let me say his personality is not like that of CNB. That isn't a criticism of either man, it's just an observation. CNB is wound REALLY tight, CCL is more relaxed and laid back. Like CNB, CCL knows what he's doing and he instills confidence in those he's speaking to. I left the event thinking we're in good hands, it's all gonna be ok. Time will tell if I'm right.
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Post by saintflorian on Jun 1, 2019 9:04:26 GMT -6
. Though unrelated to the discussion of defensive player exodus, this does pertain to the thread topic. I've been to multiple Trojan Tour and Bowl party events over the last few years, including this year's Tour event this past Tuesday night here in Dothan. For any of you who have yet to meet CCL let me say his personality is not like that of CNB. That isn't a criticism of either man, it's just an observation. CNB is wound REALLY tight, CCL is more relaxed and laid back. Like CNB, CCL knows what he's doing and he instills confidence in those he's speaking to. I left the event thinking we're in good hands, it's all gonna be ok. Time will tell if I'm right. Man this is so true. Nail on head Bubba. These guys are so different. After meeting CCL and seeing practice and video, I came away with he has passion, a hard worker and wants to win. He will be judged on wins and losses. I am hoping for a lot of wins and limited losses.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 1, 2019 9:05:55 GMT -6
I'm watching this off season with a tilted head and a raised eyebrow. We don't know for sure what CCL and staff will bring to the program, we must wait and see. That said, I'll offer a couple of thoughts. 1) It's really easy to see how one offensive system differs from another and would be easy to understand how a change in offensive systems would lead to a big exodus of guys who fit well in system one but not in system two (think triple option transitioning to spread/pass oriented). It's not as easy to see how different defensive systems can be. VK's defense was not like a lot of defenses in that it relied on deception and speed from the secondary (especially the linebackers and corners) and a swarming the ball kind of attack. Perhaps our new scheme will require different skills. We are really deep on that side, so I'll remain cautiously optimistic for now that the loss of these quality defensive guys will not decimate us. 2) Related to the above, I as at the spring game and the defense looked really good. If one of the squads can weather the storm of having guys leave, it's the defense. 3) The offense, while similar to what we've seen in the recent past, will look different. Time will tell if that's good or bad. 4) Though unrelated to the discussion of defensive player exodus, this does pertain to the thread topic. I've been to multiple Trojan Tour and Bowl party events over the last few years, including this year's Tour event this past Tuesday night here in Dothan. For any of you who have yet to meet CCL let me say his personality is not like that of CNB. That isn't a criticism of either man, it's just an observation. CNB is wound REALLY tight, CCL is more relaxed and laid back. Like CNB, CCL knows what he's doing and he instills confidence in those he's speaking to. I left the event thinking we're in good hands, it's all gonna be ok. Time will tell if I'm right. This staff is significantly different than the previous staff. I don’t know how that translates when it comes to wins and losses. I hope they have the ATD that Neal and his staff did. Only time will tell. There’s tailgate plans to be made right now.
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Post by jonesoxygen on Jun 1, 2019 13:53:20 GMT -6
As already stated by others, CNB and CCL are two completely different dudes. How that translates to win and losses is yet to be seen. I’d even say how that translates to players is somewhat unknown. We will never really know if those leaving are gone because of staff, decisions, bad attitudes, girlfriends, or whatever. I agree with Hemi, we will most likely see more names fall off the roster because we always do, there’s always 3 or 4 “names” that are not part of the team when they report in the fall. The day after the DG bowl while our staff was still in place, I saw a 2019 deacon record of 11-2, maybe even 12-1. I don’t think that’s the case now, 8+ wins we’re okay. Anything less, we shall see.
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Post by cornhole on Jun 1, 2019 16:51:07 GMT -6
The transfer portal, initiated last fall, has as much, if not more impact on what we are experiencing . take a look at articles on WVA MetroNews and see what’s happening there.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jun 1, 2019 18:01:19 GMT -6
The transfer portal, initiated last fall, has as much, if not more impact on what we are experiencing . take a look at articles on WVA MetroNews and see what’s happening there. Exactly my friend. The portal with the coaching change makes this the new norm for coaching changes till the portal cools some.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Jun 2, 2019 11:01:52 GMT -6
Is this staff and our HC really the right fit for the job DT has said no from the beginning. We will see.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Jun 2, 2019 11:08:36 GMT -6
There’s tailgate plans to be made right now.
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Post by cornhole on Jun 2, 2019 18:16:45 GMT -6
Is this staff and our HC really the right fit for the job DT has said no from the beginning. We will see. Troy football is undefeated and untied under our new staff and we are questioning the fit??? Some fan. Yes, my opinion is “ask me Mid- November hindsight better than fore-opinion. IMO. Fan = fanatic= supportive.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Jun 3, 2019 7:30:37 GMT -6
DT has said no from the beginning. We will see. Troy football is undefeated and untied under our new staff and we are questioning the fit??? Some fan. Yes, my opinion is âask me Mid- November hindsight better than fore-opinion. IMO. Fan = fanatic= supportive. Look man. Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.
Lets question fandom of people we know and have cheered the boys on with. DT still showed the same love (Monetarily) this year after a hire he didn't like too.
(The HC we don’t speak of) could go 14-0 and I still wouldn't like his demeanor. But, I would damn sure support him as Troys HC. Its June. Folks need to chill.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Jun 3, 2019 9:05:26 GMT -6
Troy football is undefeated and untied under our new staff and we are questioning the fit??? Some fan. Yes, my opinion is âask me Mid- November hindsight better than fore-opinion. IMO. Fan = fanatic= supportive. Look man. Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.
Lets question fandom of people we know and have cheered the boys on with. DT still showed the same love (Monetarily) this year after a hire he didn't like too.
(The HC we don’t speak of) could go 14-0 and I still wouldn't like his demeanor. But, I would damn sure support him as Troys HC. Its June. Folks need to chill.
What about his demeanor would you not like if he goes 14-0? Sounds personal.
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Post by chasin170 on Jun 3, 2019 9:32:26 GMT -6
Other than one discipline problem,we haven't lost anyone that was not going to have to work their trail off to start.
I'm liking (The HC we don’t speak of) and say if we stay healthy we will forget the correct spelling of Neal or is it Neil??
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jun 3, 2019 10:26:19 GMT -6
Troy football is undefeated and untied under our new staff and we are questioning the fit??? Some fan. Yes, my opinion is âask me Mid- November hindsight better than fore-opinion. IMO. Fan = fanatic= supportive. Look man. Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.
Lets question fandom of people we know and have cheered the boys on with. DT still showed the same love (Monetarily) this year after a hire he didn't like too.
(The HC we don’t speak of) could go 14-0 and I still wouldn't like his demeanor. But, I would damn sure support him as Troys HC. Its June. Folks need to chill.
If he goes 14-0 we will be complaining or happy for the next head coach.
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