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Post by crawlspace13 on Mar 5, 2019 16:24:51 GMT -6
I don't mind saying I don't have faith in (The HC we don’t speak of) to do more than ride Neal's success to another job in a year or two. I feel that's all he's here to do and doesn't really care how he leaves the program. This isn't doing much to change my mind.
But I had to be convinced about Neal, too, when he first came on board. So going in with very tempered expectations.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Mar 5, 2019 16:45:17 GMT -6
What information do you have to support your statement, pray tell?? You can figure it out....I think Perhaps you're right...perhaps you're not. Unless you have personally spoken with Tron and Marcus, you don't know. You're offering your opinion as fact when it may not be so. I have an opinion too. I believe that these two guys will be difficult to replace. I also believe that if someone else had been hired, players would have entered the transfer portal. I may have been these two, it may not. But to make a blanket statement that the AD and administration could have avoided having these two players transfer by hiring someone else is without merit. You just don't know. Am I disappointed to have these guys leave? ABSOLUTELY. Once ExCNB announced he was leaving, were we destined to lose players? I think so. Am I going willing to place "blame" on the AD and administration for two 20 somethings deciding to leave? Nope. I'm still on board and I'm still looking forward to a good year.
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Post by cornhole on Mar 5, 2019 17:20:35 GMT -6
You can figure it out....I think Perhaps you're right...perhaps you're not. Unless you have personally spoken with Tron and Marcus, you don't know. You're offering your opinion as fact when it may not be so. I have an opinion too. I believe that these two guys will be difficult to replace. I also believe that if someone else had been hired, players would have entered the transfer portal. I may have been these two, it may not. But to make a blanket statement that the AD and administration could have avoided having these two players transfer by hiring someone else is without merit. You just don't know. Am I disappointed to have these guys leave? ABSOLUTELY. Once ExCNB announced he was leaving, were we destined to lose players? I think so. Am I going willing to place "blame" on the AD and administration for two 20 somethings deciding to leave? Nope. I'm still on board and I'm still looking forward to a good year. This. Voice of reason.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Mar 5, 2019 17:22:38 GMT -6
I was not expecting that. Truly is a real star lost. However I think everyone will be in this boat. This portal is transforming college ball into free agency. Hopefully, the dole will not break. Those two guys are good ones from a player status. The draw down on talent is making things just a tad more rough.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Mar 5, 2019 17:30:50 GMT -6
PS with those two leaving we will not be as fast and that is probably a fact. Unless there are some really fast dudes I do not of at present. Both are leaving as VERY likely starters and high profile guys for future
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Post by trojan2003 on Mar 5, 2019 17:36:03 GMT -6
These players are not loyal to the school but to former coaches, we don’t need them here...let them transfer and start from scratch somewhere else...
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Post by cornhole on Mar 5, 2019 17:41:01 GMT -6
These players are not loyal to the school but to former coaches, we don’t need them here...let them transfer and start from scratch somewhere else... As a Grad Transfer, Folsom may START from day one, very likely if he lands at WVU. I don't know the facts but doubtful Marcus will get a hardship waiver from the NCAA...should have to sit out a year. He's taking a chance it appears. Interesting how this will settle. But it sux for Troy.
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Post by saintflorian on Mar 5, 2019 17:46:19 GMT -6
A bunch of negative vibes here. This happens with every coaching change at every level in every conference. Calm down, y’all acting like the Troy football program is being disbanded and restocked with a JV high school team.
Plus you don’t know what caused him to choose to transfer now do you ?
And get used to it, the NCAA open the door to this transfer system and you will see a lot of kids leave every program each year.
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Post by saintflorian on Mar 5, 2019 17:49:17 GMT -6
Who here thinks he winds up at West Virginia? I'm saying he does... hard to imagine a kid from Enterprise leaving a program where he's on top of the world and considered one of the best CB's in the Sun Belt... unless Neal Brown is putting some feelers out there to see if he wants to take a shot playing in the Big XII. Brown might take either one, Tron or Marcus. That said, I don't think Neal is trying to poach Troy players. I don't think he's initiating conversations with current Troy athletes. Negative. XCNB has backdoor feelers out to our dudes. Zero doubt. Like y’all said, it’s business and XCNB is taking what he knows and using it to win at WVU.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Mar 5, 2019 17:51:08 GMT -6
So are we going to hit up the transfer portal? Seems like we could pick a diamond or two from lesser schools. [b Why pick from lesser schools when you could possibly get someone from a bigger school semantics
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Post by Hemi Man on Mar 5, 2019 19:22:43 GMT -6
These players are not loyal to the school but to former coaches, we don’t need them here...let them transfer and start from scratch somewhere else... It’s obvious you’re clueless about the situation. The circumstances involved in these two players leaving is totally different. Tron most likely wasn’t going to play at Troy next season regardless of the hesd coach.
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Post by chattvalleytrojan on Mar 5, 2019 20:36:03 GMT -6
These players are not loyal to the school but to former coaches, we don’t need them here...let them transfer and start from scratch somewhere else... As a Grad Transfer, Folsom may START from day one, very likely if he lands at WVU. I don't know the facts but doubtful Marcus will get a hardship waiver from the NCAA...should have to sit out a year. He's taking a chance it appears. Interesting how this will settle. But it sux for Troy. But as a grad transfer we can still block certain schools. Like OU blocking Kenndal from WVU until they got Hurts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 21:29:10 GMT -6
Marcus Jones is now in the transfer portal... WTH is (The HC we don’t speak of) doing? Running off our best players is not a way to win the fan base over Surf Report: It's dark, I can't see anything.
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Post by srbtrojan on Mar 5, 2019 21:39:24 GMT -6
Unfortunately I’m afraid this is something we are going to have to get use to unless the NCAA reverses course. However,I don’t think that’s going to happen. Could easily make the G5 the Farm 5! Sucks!!
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Post by doc71 on Mar 6, 2019 12:50:13 GMT -6
Players have always had the option of pursuing a transfer... and if lateral move (within the same division) they'd have to sit out unless granted a hardship. Now, the Grad Transfer rule changed that for grads ... which I think is good ... gives incentive for students to complete/graduate! I think the NCAA has gotten more lenient on the "hardship/waivers" ... but it's still not a done deal that you get to play. (see our TX a&m transfer). And really, I think the Portal might be a better way to try to prevent "some" of the tampering?? But, of course, that still goes on: a coach can talk to a coach, who knows an old HS coach, who knows an uncle, who might talk to a parent, who might talk to a player ..."hey, coach X at School Y says if you were ever interested in transfer ..." We're gonna be fine ... change happens. I wish those that leave well. I also am excited to see what we can accomplish with a group of talented players that are fully "bought in"!! Go Trojans!
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Post by buzzlightyear on Mar 6, 2019 17:17:31 GMT -6
The sky is falling!!!! The sky is falling!!! The sky is falling!!!!!! Or it could be that it’s not but I am sure it is reading these threads. Also global warming will destroy us in 12 years and and and.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Mar 6, 2019 17:55:31 GMT -6
It's certainly disappointing to lose an All American. I can understand however, if you look at it from the student athlete prospective of finding a better opportunity for himself. I have left a company for another company in my career. The company I left had an ongoing mission and a team but I had to do what was right for myself and my family. Here's something to consider also... These players are only compensated with tuition/books/room/board and whatever else they get. For big schools, a player may generate a lot of money for that school and they don't get any of it. About a week ago, Zion Williamson, a Duke basketball player, nearly lost his future when his Nike shoe failed and his leg went completely through the sole. Nike has a contract with Duke where Zion has to wear those faulty shoes and he gets none of the money for it. If he was pro, he would be paid handsomely to wear Nike. I think that a minor league football league is coming in the near future where players can join teams right out of high school. I don't think this will kill college football, but it will make it more about the student athlete than about the player who is waiting to become NFL eligible.
Well that's my rant.
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Post by cornhole on Mar 6, 2019 18:56:19 GMT -6
cornhole rant- 1 is a hah! 2 is a huh??? 3 would be a trend and what? ?
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Post by bulldogtrojan on Mar 7, 2019 11:17:26 GMT -6
Once they enter the transfer portal do they still continue to oractice with the team. Although its unlikely, what if anither team does not pick them up?
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Post by bulldogtrojan on Mar 7, 2019 11:17:46 GMT -6
Once they enter the transfer portal do they still continue to oractice with the team. Although its unlikely, what if another team does not pick them up?
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Post by buzzlightyear on Mar 7, 2019 12:00:55 GMT -6
Once they enter the transfer portal do they still continue to oractice with the team. Although its unlikely, what if another team does not pick them up? They actually can return to their original team BUT that would be weird as all get out and the other guys just might not look at them the same. Oh I think it will happen somewhere but interesting to see those folks
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Post by cornhole on Mar 7, 2019 13:58:16 GMT -6
Once they enter the transfer portal do they still continue to oractice with the team. Although its unlikely, what if another team does not pick them up? I suspect there's a team in West Virginia that would be more than happy to pick them up.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Mar 7, 2019 15:58:58 GMT -6
Once they enter the transfer portal do they still continue to oractice with the team. Although its unlikely, what if another team does not pick them up? I suspect there's a team in West Virginia that would be more than happy to pick them up. [br Kind of like our Coast Guard. We are not going into Cuban waters but once they get to international waters we will save them. Welcome to Florida..umhum I mean West Virginia. Why would you not try to get Marcus Jones he is a good refugee. Not that Tron is not but Marcus sure nuff is!
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Post by saintflorian on Mar 7, 2019 16:05:54 GMT -6
I suspect there's a team in West Virginia that would be more than happy to pick them up. [br Kind of like our Coast Guard. We are not going into Cuban waters but once they get to international waters we will save them. Welcome to Florida..umhum I mean West Virginia. Why would you not try to get Marcus Jones he is a good refugee. Not that Tron is not but Marcus sure nuff is! Interesting how some folks put XCNB on a higher than thou pedestal thinking he wouldn’t back channel the elite talent on the Troy team.... It sucks but reality in today’s world.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Mar 7, 2019 18:59:25 GMT -6
[br Kind of like our Coast Guard. We are not going into Cuban waters but once they get to international waters we will save them. Welcome to Florida..umhum I mean West Virginia. Why would you not try to get Marcus Jones he is a good refugee. Not that Tron is not but Marcus sure nuff is! Interesting how some folks put XCNB on a higher than thou pedestal thinking he wouldn’t back channel the elite talent on the Troy team.... It sucks but reality in today’s world. Yo Saint. Even if Neal would not I am pretty sure not everyone who has CLOSE contacts to the defensive side would not necessarily refrain. Putting Neal on a pedestal? Perhaps I believe integrity was something he has and just maybe if guys want to come there and they are available who knows. Turn down a gift horse? Do I think Neal has instructed back channels to occur? No I don’t. Maybe none of us will know. If these guys show up at WVU you will think there was back channels from NB. I will think it was other wise. Not absolutely sure any of us will ever know. If they go elsewhere I am pretty sure they have been discouraged by NB because these guys are PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH for WVU
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