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Post by trojan2003 on Jun 20, 2018 12:50:07 GMT -6
I was wondering since we averaged 24,456 in attendance last year and 22,534 in 2016, when would we start considering expanding the stadium or would we rather raise ticket prices? ... Hosting Boise State and nearby FAMU and hopefully having another succesful season could cause avg attendance to increase again, let's assume to 26,500 - and the Southern Miss, South Alabama, Georgia Southern home games could increase avg attendance even further in 2019... the Southern Miss game might not only be a sell-out game, it could be the first time some people might not be able to buy tickets to a Troy home game... so let's assume attendance might avg 28,000 in 2019... and in 2020 NC State is coming to town and we also have future home games vs Army, Memphis, and Miss State coming up...
In addition, students are getting more excited about Trojan football (esp every new incoming freshman class) and I expect more student will attend our games in the future. How many students attend our games at the moment? Southern Miss draws 2,000+ students per game, I assume it's similar at Troy ... so some more room to grow here.
(Of course, the new end-zone building and that new monster video wall will also enhance fan experience and probably attract some casual fans).
So how many seats shoud be added in the future, 2,000 - 5,000, or even more? And would we add seats to the south end-zone or what are the plans ( I am sure the Athletic department already has some kind of idea)?
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Jun 20, 2018 14:01:27 GMT -6
I think it is time to ponder expansion but I wouldn’t put anything in motion. I’d say another couple of years of 10+ wins and then go for it.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Jun 20, 2018 16:20:36 GMT -6
This has been discussed before and I welcome, in fact ask, that if I am mistaken about any point, someone who has better information correct me. Here goes.
When the last stadium expansion occurred in 2003, the upper deck on the east side was designed to be taken down in the future and moved to the south end of the stadium, placing an upper deck above the south end zone plaza. If, and when, this occurs, expansion would occur on the east side. This would involve construction of a new east upper deck which would probably be 2 levels....a small level with suites, and an upper level for general seating. If i remember correctly, this expansion would require that Wallace Dr be moved east, taking in some of the armory parking lot and some of the houses in the immediate area. That would include the demolition of the current alumni house. The other option, which I don't see as very likely, is to build the new upper deck over Wallace Dr, creating what would be a semi enclosed tunnel.
The number of new seats created by this would be dependent on what kind of construction is done to the upper deck on the east side, since a large part of the current east upper deck seating would be preserved in the south end zone. It matters not which of those options is chosen, it will be an expensive project. As I said a few days ago, I think an indoor practice facility should be our next big expense.
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Post by bilible on Jun 20, 2018 16:30:55 GMT -6
scalping needs to become a cottage industry before we expand. Create the demand.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Jun 20, 2018 16:34:42 GMT -6
scalping needs to become a cottage industry before we expand. Create the demand. I never thought I'd see the day when anyone would even suggest that scalping TROY football tickets could be a possibility. I can remember when I couldn't give away tickets I couldn't use. It's been a fun ride, and I think this rollercoaster is just climbing the second hill.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jun 20, 2018 16:41:45 GMT -6
scalping needs to become a cottage industry before we expand. Create the demand. I never thought I'd see the day when anyone would even suggest that scalping TROY football tickets could be a possibility. I can remember when I couldn't give away tickets I couldn't use. It's been a fun ride, and I think this rollercoaster is just climbing the second hill. [ I really believe we may see the first scalping that I have seen the first game of this season.
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Post by startedasredwave on Jun 20, 2018 16:56:54 GMT -6
This has been discussed before and I welcome, in fact ask, that if I am mistaken about any point, someone who has better information correct me. Here goes. When the last stadium expansion occurred in 2003, the upper deck on the east side was designed to be taken down in the future and moved to the south end of the stadium, placing an upper deck above the south end zone plaza. If, and when, this occurs, expansion would occur on the east side. This would involve construction of a new east upper deck which would probably be 2 levels....a small level with suites, and an upper level for general seating. If i remember correctly, this expansion would require that Wallace Dr be moved east, taking in some of the armory parking lot and some of the houses in the immediate area. That would include the demolition of the current alumni house. The other option, which I don't see as very likely, is to build the new upper deck over Wallace Dr, creating what would be a semi enclosed tunnel. The number of new seats created by this would be dependent on what kind of construction is done to the upper deck on the east side, since a large part of the current east upper deck seating would be preserved in the south end zone. It matters not which of those options is chosen, it will be an expensive project. As I said a few days ago, I think an indoor practice facility should be our next big expense. This is what we were told at the time. Even the possibility of another press box style on the east side. Capacity doing this was estimated at 56,000.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Jun 20, 2018 18:12:17 GMT -6
scalping needs to become a cottage industry before we expand. Create the demand. If tickets become hard to get and expensive like AU or UA, then I might have to sell a kidney or something to keep up my season tickets.
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Post by Mr. Ho on Jun 20, 2018 19:13:46 GMT -6
Not add seats., but stadium war just beginning. NEArk State is lobby first grenade fixing up their dump. SWLa add aluminum seat in end zone and say look how cool we. UAB-Atlanta have done great job with Turner Field - it look great despite still nobody care. Our new End Zone highlight the need to UPGRADE the home side of the stadium. It a total dump. New seats. Upgrade concourse area with new concession and huge banner of Sherrill Busby, Demarcus Ware, Osi Umenyoira and Mike Turk. Home side is a dump. At least pressure wash it. If anything cover seats and before you laugh at Mr. Ho, it can be done. AD Whatshisname need to listen to Ho. Hong Kong Stadium stadium capacity: 40,000 but looks like a 100,000 and sounds like 1,000,000. FYI - Hong Kong one of greatest place on earth.
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Post by trojan2003 on Jun 21, 2018 1:09:14 GMT -6
It matters not which of those options is chosen, it will be an expensive project. As I said a few days ago, I think an indoor practice facility should be our next big expense. We wouldn't have to do it this way, we could also simply just add more seats to the south end zone (maybe just a few thousands seats), this would be a lot less expensive. Besides, I don't think we need more suits at the moment. However, I agree IPF should be our focus now, we should start soon with the planning because it takes time. These things are a lot more expensive nowadays. Maybe 10 years ago you could build an IPF for $5-10M and now they cost around $15M and more. NC State spent $14M on its IPF in 2016, "For comparison, NC State’s indoor facility cost $14 million, Syracuse’s cost $13 million and Virginia Tech opened one last September for $21.3 million." (chapelboro.com) UAB built this which is a lot cheaper, but I would prefer a proper IPF (maybe it could be a temporary solution though) - Arkansas State and Marshall also built IPFs in recent years. We also should think about adding athletic dorms and an academic support center in the future. Anyways, with the new endzone building and hopefully an IPF soon, Troy FB will be finally a legit FBS program and hopefully an Elite G5 program soon!
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Post by cornhole on Jun 21, 2018 6:23:21 GMT -6
Our next big expense/investment will be people.
Just keeping up with the college football "Joneses" to attract and keep Coaches and staff in all sports will be financially challenging. With head coach contracts in the Million$ per year, Coordinators and Assistants salaries in 6 sometimes 7 figures.. the money has to come from somewhere to remain competitive. Great people can lead, manage, coach and win with less brick and mortar, but all the brick and mortar in the world guarantees nothing other than recruiting eye candy.
We are faced with the probability of several Coaches and assistants leaving the program soon. We need to be ready to attract capable replacements or all is for naught.
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Post by trojan2003 on Jun 21, 2018 7:37:48 GMT -6
Top coaches will only come here if we have top facilities otherwise they will go somewhere else. CNB chose Troy because he knew Troy was committed to invest in facilities.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Jun 21, 2018 8:44:03 GMT -6
DT just simply does not see where this is even close to needed. Update what we have.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Jun 21, 2018 18:46:17 GMT -6
We don't need to expand until we're averaging 28,000 to 30,000. Boise State didn't expand their stadium beyond 30,000 until they began having sellouts or near-sellouts. They did it the right way, and I think that's the model that needs to be followed.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 22, 2018 11:15:49 GMT -6
This was just four years ago. Winning breeds excitement. We have went from this to talking about sell outs and expansion Attachments:
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Jun 22, 2018 17:34:20 GMT -6
View AttachmentThis was just four years ago. Winning breeds excitement. We have went from this to talking about sell outs and expansion That’s got to be pre-game or spring game or something
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Post by Troystet on Jun 22, 2018 17:45:55 GMT -6
2014. I sat in the end zone with about 5 people total the whole game. Announced attendance was over 15,000 lol
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Jun 22, 2018 18:08:25 GMT -6
This was just four years ago. Winning breeds excitement. We have went from this to talking about sell outs and expansion That’s got to be pre-game or spring game or something It was pre-game. The band is on the field and the officials are standing on the sidelines. Admittedly, those were dark days, and attendance was abysmal, but that picture is not representative of the final crowd that day. I was at all of those games, and though the "announced paid attendance" for each of them was considerably higher than than actual fannies in the seats, there was not a single game that season, the attendance of which, is accurately reflected by these pictures.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Jun 22, 2018 19:32:51 GMT -6
2014. I sat in the end zone with about 5 people total the whole game. Announced attendance was over 15,000 lol I was there but my pride does not allow me to remember. In middle school, I played on a team that only won one game. The next year, with basically the same players, we only only lost one game on the freshman team. The psychology of a team is important. I think CNB has done a fine job with getting our team to believe in winning.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 23, 2018 6:30:38 GMT -6
That’s got to be pre-game or spring game or something It was pre-game. The band is on the field and the officials are standing on the sidelines. Admittedly, those were dark days, and attendance was abysmal, but that picture is not representative of the final crowd that day. I was at all of those games, and though the "announced paid attendance" for each of them was considerably higher than than actual fannies in the seats, there was not a single game that season, the attendance of which, is accurately reflected by these pictures. Wrong. I was there and that is exactly what the crowd looked liked. Worst game attendance I can ever remember and I played in the D2 days when the stadium only held 12,000. I believe the game was either App St or Ga St. I'm thankful that Troy football is back and we are filling the stands again.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Jun 23, 2018 7:04:24 GMT -6
It was pre-game. The band is on the field and the officials are standing on the sidelines. Admittedly, those were dark days, and attendance was abysmal, but that picture is not representative of the final crowd that day. I was at all of those games, and though the "announced paid attendance" for each of them was considerably higher than than actual fannies in the seats, there was not a single game that season, the attendance of which, is accurately reflected by these pictures. Wrong. I was there and that is exactly what the crowd looked liked. Worst game attendance I can ever remember and I played in the D2 days when the stadium only held 12,000. I believe the game was either App St or Ga St. I'm thankful that Troy football is back and we are filling the stands again. Nope. The crowd was terrible as I stated, but during the game it wasn't this sparse. Your hyperbole is impressive. As an example, I cite your assertion that you watched the game from the end zone with 5 other people. The pictures you posted disprove your statement. I get that you purposefully understated the number of people around you to make a point, we all do that from time to time. I also get that you have posted two pictures from the pre game ceremony and indicated that they are representative of the crowd that day, and that too is inaccurate. As I said, those were dark days, attendance was abysmal and there were not 15000 fannies in the seats that day, however it's not necessary to inaccurately represent what was that day's crowd to make that point. I'm thrilled that's not a problem we have at this point.
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Post by saintflorian on Jun 23, 2018 7:22:30 GMT -6
You people argue about the dumbest crap. Arguing like 6 year olds about attendance at a game 4 years ago ? Please tell me y’all have better things to do or some inkling of a life.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Jun 23, 2018 7:41:57 GMT -6
You people argue about the dumbest crap. Arguing like 6 year olds about attendance at a game 4 years ago ? Please tell me y’all have better things to do or some inkling of a life. Since you had the time and interest to call us out for arguing about the dumbest stuff, I'll assume you too have nothing to do and that your life is as sad as ours.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 23, 2018 13:05:36 GMT -6
Wrong. I was there and that is exactly what the crowd looked liked. Worst game attendance I can ever remember and I played in the D2 days when the stadium only held 12,000. I believe the game was either App St or Ga St. I'm thankful that Troy football is back and we are filling the stands again. Nope. The crowd was terrible as I stated, but during the game it wasn't this sparse. Your hyperbole is impressive. As an example, I cite your assertion that you watched the game from the end zone with 5 other people. The pictures you posted disprove your statement. I get that you purposefully understated the number of people around you to make a point, we all do that from time to time. I also get that you have posted two pictures from the pre game ceremony and indicated that they are representative of the crowd that day, and that too is inaccurate. As I said, those were dark days, attendance was abysmal and there were not 15000 fannies in the seats that day, however it's not necessary to inaccurately represent what was that day's crowd to make that point. I'm thrilled that's not a problem we have at this point. That was my point. We are now talking about sell outs. I talked with athletics last week trying to decide if I will attend the Boise game or the players reunion the next game against FAMU. They told me to not wait to long as they fully expect a sell out. Great problems to have for sure.
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Post by cornhole on Jun 23, 2018 14:21:08 GMT -6
Sellouts at The Vet! Packed stadium! Ah, I relish the thought.
Better check your priority status sports fans. All of those consecutive years of purchasing season tickets, supporting Trojan Warrior Club/fund will count for something!
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