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Mar 3, 2018 20:29:20 GMT -6
Post by trojan2003 on Mar 3, 2018 20:29:20 GMT -6
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Mar 3, 2018 20:48:28 GMT -6
Post by trojan2003 on Mar 3, 2018 20:48:28 GMT -6
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Memphis
Mar 3, 2018 21:04:22 GMT -6
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Post by troytrojanman on Mar 3, 2018 21:04:22 GMT -6
I wonder if we’ll ever get someone to come to us first in a home and home series other than Akron. Liberty might be the most embarrassing of them all. Liberty must be paying us the big bucks like they are everyone else.
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Mar 4, 2018 3:39:22 GMT -6
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Post by saintflorian on Mar 4, 2018 3:39:22 GMT -6
Nice addition !!
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Post by trojan2003 on Mar 4, 2018 4:13:15 GMT -6
I like it, always wanted to play Memphis. I think we should play more AAC teams, like UCF, USF, and ECU.
We should also extend the USM series and it would be nice to play CUSA teams like Marshall and LA Tech, esp playing Mashall again would be fun.
Money games: Would love to play Florida St and Texas A&M in the future. Also, I think we should be able to do 1 for 2 deals with teams like GA Tech, Kentucky, Louisville, Virginia (home-and-home), (maybe OK State again).
I am wondering if we could get teams like Ole Miss or Virginia Tech to play at the Vet (would require a 1 for 3 deal maybe).
Here are some deals our peers have announced:
USM (home-and-home with BYU)
MTSU (Missouri, 1-for-2)
Ark St (home-and-home with Iowa St)
WKU (home-and-home with USF)
App St (home-and-home with UNC)
Marshall (home and home with Boise St)
... and Boise St will host Florida St, Michigan St, OK State, BYU in the future.
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Memphis
Mar 5, 2018 11:46:06 GMT -6
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Post by Troystet on Mar 5, 2018 11:46:06 GMT -6
I like it, always wanted to play Memphis. I think we should play more AAC teams, like UCF, USF, and ECU. We should also extend the USM series and it would be nice to play CUSA teams like Marshall and LA Tech, esp playing Mashall again would be fun. Money games: Would love to play Florida St and Texas A&M in the future. Also, I think we should be able to do 1 for 2 deals with teams like GA Tech, Kentucky, Louisville, Virginia (home-and-home), (maybe OK State again). I am wondering if we could get teams like Ole Miss or Virginia Tech to play at the Vet (would require a 1 for 3 deal maybe). Here are some deals our peers have announced:USM (home-and-home with BYU) MTSU (Missouri, 1-for-2) Ark St (home-and-home with Iowa St) WKU (home-and-home with USF) App St (home-and-home with UNC) Marshall (home and home with Boise St) ... and Boise St will host Florida St, Michigan St, OK State, BYU in the future. I would love to see us play both UCF or USF but I doubt that will happen. Both have a big boy complex and both draw well enough to get a home and away with bigger schools. Possibly might get a away game with them
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Mar 5, 2018 12:07:35 GMT -6
Post by Bubba the Trojan on Mar 5, 2018 12:07:35 GMT -6
For a perfect example of how market size, school size, and school location make a difference in a program's success, we need look no further than USF. They began playing football in 1997 as a I-AA independent. In 1999 and 2000 we had a home and home with the Bulls, winning handily in 1999 at home and losing by 10 the next year in Tampa. Remember, they started playing in 1997...the program is only 20 years old and they've gone from playing little ole TROY in a home and home to good success as a C-DOA school. There are few things as a TROY fan i envy about other programs, believe me, we have a tremendous one here, but the local talent pool the schools in south Florida have to choose from is one of them. I would love to schedule them in a home and home, but I don't see them being willing to "stoop" to that.
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Memphis
Mar 5, 2018 14:49:59 GMT -6
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Post by Troystet on Mar 5, 2018 14:49:59 GMT -6
For a perfect example of how market size, school size, and school location make a difference in a program's success, we need look no further than USF. They began playing football in 1997 as a I-AA independent. In 1999 and 2000 we had a home and home with the Bulls, winning handily in 1999 at home and losing by 10 the next year in Tampa. Remember, they started playing in 1997...the program is only 20 years old and they've gone from playing little ole TROY in a home and home to good success as a C-DOA school. There are few things as a TROY fan i envy about other programs, believe me, we have a tremendous one here, but the local talent pool the schools in south Florida have to choose from is one of them. I would love to schedule them in a home and home, but I don't see them being willing to "stoop" to that. UCF is another example of this. The growth of that school is mind boggling. In 1985 they had 16,000 students, in 2000 36,000, now 80,000 making it the largest school in the country. They collect just in student athletic fees 3 times our football budget and they currently are getting 25% of all the AA community college transfers for the entire state opening the possibly they could at some point hit 100,000 students I also agree with what you said about USF with the exception of the local talent pool. There is absolutely zero talent in Cent To South Florida..I mean zero.
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Post by trojan2003 on Mar 5, 2018 16:42:24 GMT -6
I watched the Memphis/UCLA game last year, great game. Looking forward to beat them in 2024 and 2025.
As for UCF, they have success on the field and great potential, very solid recruiting classes, big wins, but somehow they only average 30,000-35,000 per game, except when playing USF (stadium seats 45,000)...
Btw, we stole two of UCF's top recruits two years ago (Sawyer Smith and Kelvin Lucky). Smith was UCF's #1 QB target.
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Mar 5, 2018 17:29:26 GMT -6
Post by cornhole on Mar 5, 2018 17:29:26 GMT -6
UCF is another example of this. The growth of that school is mind boggling. In 1985 they had 16,000 students, in 2000 36,000, now 80,000 making it the largest school in the country. They collect just in student athletic fees 3 times our football budget and they currently are getting 25% of all the AA community college transfers for the entire state opening the possibly they could at some point hit 100,000 students I also agree with what you said about USF with the exception of the local talent pool. There is absolutely zero talent in Cent To South Florida..I mean zero.Hard for me to read between the lines here; this coming from the premier advocate for Troy recruiting that Region?? Surely this is Tongue-in-Cheek?? A few former Troy Football Players from that region come to mind: Omar Haugabook, Danny Franks, Micah Grimes. Current Central/South FL Troy Football squadmates include: Jamal Stadom (Melbourne), Dominic Walker (Orlando), Alvin Bryant Jr (Orlando), TJ Bell (Merritt Island), and Joe Vairo ( Ft. Lauderdale). Several Tampa Area High Schools, Lakeland High School, several Orlando Area HS, St. Thomas Aquinas in South FL, IMG Academy in Sarasota, among others annually send numerous Senior Football players to quality college programs. On the other hand, with so many Division I football programs from Orlando to South Florida, plus U of F and the Semiholes just North, there's likely slim pickings for a little school from Troy, Alabama Ok, so. Mr. stet, were you just posting that to see if anyone was paying attention?? It IS rather slow on the Board lately.
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Post by Pensacola Trojan on Mar 5, 2018 22:08:48 GMT -6
For a perfect example of how market size, school size, and school location make a difference in a program's success, we need look no further than USF. They began playing football in 1997 as a I-AA independent. In 1999 and 2000 we had a home and home with the Bulls, winning handily in 1999 at home and losing by 10 the next year in Tampa. Remember, they started playing in 1997...the program is only 20 years old and they've gone from playing little ole TROY in a home and home to good success as a C-DOA school. There are few things as a TROY fan i envy about other programs, believe me, we have a tremendous one here, but the local talent pool the schools in south Florida have to choose from is one of them. I would love to schedule them in a home and home, but I don't see them being willing to "stoop" to that. UCF is another example of this. The growth of that school is mind boggling. In 1985 they had 16,000 students, in 2000 36,000, now 80,000 making it the largest school in the country. They collect just in student athletic fees 3 times our football budget and they currently are getting 25% of all the AA community college transfers for the entire state opening the possibly they could at some point hit 100,000 students I also agree with what you said about USF with the exception of the local talent pool. There is absolutely zero talent in Cent To South Florida..I mean zero. UCF and USF have two things going for them that Troy does not, demographics, Florida has grown to the third most popular state of more than 20 million, and a state lottery passed in 1987 with a promise that all eligible high school students could get essentially a free ride if they maintained their grades. These two factors drove the number of students wanting to attend in Florida vs any other state up dramatically and flooded the big 2 public schools with so many applications the process became highly selective. This allowed USF and UCF a huge pool of applicants and their population boomed. With Georgia following suite about a decade later, two states that surrounded Troy were offering free or reduced tuition expense, allowing them to increase fees, and capture a lot of potential Troy students who would have to pay out of state tuition. The good news for Troy is that we offer a unique college experience that the mega campuses can't and no matter how big UCF gets they can still only have the same number of scholarship athletes that we have. We will never be USF or UCF in student population but we don't have to be nor should we try.
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Post by trojan2003 on Mar 6, 2018 5:11:03 GMT -6
Agreed, value for money at Troy is still pretty good (you receive an education, and with all the recent and planned major additions on campus + you get to experience quality FBS football), but Troy's out-of-state tuition has been increasing significantly for the past ten years (regardless of lower in-state tuition at these Florida schools): Troy out-of-state tuition, per academic year: 2000: $ 8,466 (inflation-adjusted) 2007: $ 9,904 (inflation-adjusted) 2010: $15,529 (inflation-adjusted) 2017: $22,267 This compared to: Alabama-Tuscaloosa (2017): $28,100 Alabama-Birmingham (2017): $23,790 Florida State (2017): $21,673 South Alabama (2017): $18,780 Southern Mississippi (2017): $9,964 (down from $16,484 in 2016) source: www.chronicle.com/interactives/tuition-and-feesAnyways, I agree, TroyU is growing at a healthy rate. I think even when adding another 3,000 - 4,000 students over the next 10 years or so and building some more buildings, we would still have the smallest main campus enrollment in FBS(?), not considering other schools are growing, too and the service academies... Btw, I read somewhere about plans of adding another residence hall and academic building in the near future, not sure about this though.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Mar 6, 2018 5:45:14 GMT -6
Anyways, I agree, TroyU is growing at a healthy rate. I think even when adding another 3,000 - 4,000 students over the next 10 years or so and building some more buildings, we would still have the smallest main campus enrollment in FBS(?), Rice University - current enrollment: 3893
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Post by Troystet on Mar 6, 2018 6:38:36 GMT -6
UCF is another example of this. The growth of that school is mind boggling. In 1985 they had 16,000 students, in 2000 36,000, now 80,000 making it the largest school in the country. They collect just in student athletic fees 3 times our football budget and they currently are getting 25% of all the AA community college transfers for the entire state opening the possibly they could at some point hit 100,000 students I also agree with what you said about USF with the exception of the local talent pool. There is absolutely zero talent in Cent To South Florida..I mean zero. UCF and USF have two things going for them that Troy does not, demographics, Florida has grown to the third most popular state of more than 20 million, and a state lottery passed in 1987 with a promise that all eligible high school students could get essentially a free ride if they maintained their grades. These two factors drove the number of students wanting to attend in Florida vs any other state up dramatically and flooded the big 2 public schools with so many applications the process became highly selective. This allowed USF and UCF a huge pool of applicants and their population boomed. With Georgia following suite about a decade later, two states that surrounded Troy were offering free or reduced tuition expense, allowing them to increase fees, and capture a lot of potential Troy students who would have to pay out of state tuition. The good news for Troy is that we offer a unique college experience that the mega campuses can't and no matter how big UCF gets they can still only have the same number of scholarship athletes that we have. We will never be USF or UCF in student population but we don't have to be nor should we try. Not sure where this "Free" ride if you maintain grades came from. My son graduated in 2012 with a 3.85 GPA on 4.0 scale in AP honors classes and scored a 27 ACT and all bright futures paid was $1,185 a semester. Not even enough to cover a meal plan. They have raised bright futures standards to the point very, very few students will even get anything. UCF enrollment has exploded in part to three main things 1) UF currently to get accepted out of high school you need a 4.0 GPA and at least a 1,100 SAT. (my son was told don't even bother applying) so it forces a huge number of students in the N. Cent FL to Orlando area to attend UCF 2) they are currently getting 25% of all community college transfers for the whole state which is a huge, huge number. 3) Orlando, brand new facilities, plenty of apartments and on campus housing close by and a campus that has the real estate to expand indefinetly. i agree about the charm of a smaller campus. The biggest complaint in FL I hear is that 95% of the smaller campuses are all private and very expensive (Rollins, Flagler, FL Southern, Eckerd, Nova Southeastern, Southeastern, Stetson etc. Your only two choices if you want to attend a State School under 30,000 students is UNF in Jacksonville or UWF in Pensacola, and both are long drives from Orlando-Tampa or South FL. AL is fortunate in that it has Troy, UWA, UNA, Jax St, UAH for students wanting a smaller school.
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Post by Troystet on Mar 6, 2018 7:52:46 GMT -6
Anyways, I agree, TroyU is growing at a healthy rate. I think even when adding another 3,000 - 4,000 students over the next 10 years or so and building some more buildings, we would still have the smallest main campus enrollment in FBS(?), Rice University - current enrollment: 3893 We are getting close to the enrollment of Wake Forest also. Their enrollment is 7,900 but 4,900 something are undergrads and 3,900 something are grad students.
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Post by Pensacola Trojan on Mar 6, 2018 10:01:29 GMT -6
UCF and USF have two things going for them that Troy does not, demographics, Florida has grown to the third most popular state of more than 20 million, and a state lottery passed in 1987 with a promise that all eligible high school students could get essentially a free ride if they maintained their grades. These two factors drove the number of students wanting to attend in Florida vs any other state up dramatically and flooded the big 2 public schools with so many applications the process became highly selective. This allowed USF and UCF a huge pool of applicants and their population boomed. With Georgia following suite about a decade later, two states that surrounded Troy were offering free or reduced tuition expense, allowing them to increase fees, and capture a lot of potential Troy students who would have to pay out of state tuition. The good news for Troy is that we offer a unique college experience that the mega campuses can't and no matter how big UCF gets they can still only have the same number of scholarship athletes that we have. We will never be USF or UCF in student population but we don't have to be nor should we try. Not sure where this "Free" ride if you maintain grades came from. My son graduated in 2012 with a 3.85 GPA on 4.0 scale in AP honors classes and scored a 27 ACT and all bright futures paid was $1,185 a semester. Not even enough to cover a meal plan. They have raised bright futures standards to the point very, very few students will even get anything. UCF enrollment has exploded in part to three main things 1) UF currently to get accepted out of high school you need a 4.0 GPA and at least a 1,100 SAT. (my son was told don't even bother applying) so it forces a huge number of students in the N. Cent FL to Orlando area to attend UCF 2) they are currently getting 25% of all community college transfers for the whole state which is a huge, huge number. 3) Orlando, brand new facilities, plenty of apartments and on campus housing close by and a campus that has the real estate to expand indefinetly. i agree about the charm of a smaller campus. The biggest complaint in FL I hear is that 95% of the smaller campuses are all private and very expensive (Rollins, Flagler, FL Southern, Eckerd, Nova Southeastern, Southeastern, Stetson etc. Your only two choices if you want to attend a State School under 30,000 students is UNF in Jacksonville or UWF in Pensacola, and both are long drives from Orlando-Tampa or South FL. AL is fortunate in that it has Troy, UWA, UNA, Jax St, UAH for students wanting a smaller school. The “free ride” was the way the program was sold. Reality hit after about a decade and the state couldn’t help themselves and started spending the lottery money in other places . Georgia saw this and structured theirs more tightly to tuition. Regardless, Bright Futures dramatically reduces the cost of tuition in Florida va other states
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Mar 6, 2018 13:47:48 GMT -6
Post by Troystet on Mar 6, 2018 13:47:48 GMT -6
Completely agree on how it was sold but bright futures now is a joke, the kid that qualifies for it now basically qualifies goe a academic scholarship. Florida tuition is low but housing is twice what Troy costs. A crappy dorm at UCF was going to cost $11,000 a year plus $1800 a semester meal plan. We put him in a apartment for less money
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Mar 7, 2018 11:37:13 GMT -6
Post by pkf4troy on Mar 7, 2018 11:37:13 GMT -6
UCF and USF have two things going for them that Troy does not, demographics, Florida has grown to the third most popular state of more than 20 million, and a state lottery passed in 1987 with a promise that all eligible high school students could get essentially a free ride if they maintained their grades. These two factors drove the number of students wanting to attend in Florida vs any other state up dramatically and flooded the big 2 public schools with so many applications the process became highly selective. This allowed USF and UCF a huge pool of applicants and their population boomed. With Georgia following suite about a decade later, two states that surrounded Troy were offering free or reduced tuition expense, allowing them to increase fees, and capture a lot of potential Troy students who would have to pay out of state tuition. The good news for Troy is that we offer a unique college experience that the mega campuses can't and no matter how big UCF gets they can still only have the same number of scholarship athletes that we have. We will never be USF or UCF in student population but we don't have to be nor should we try. Not sure where this "Free" ride if you maintain grades came from. My son graduated in 2012 with a 3.85 GPA on 4.0 scale in AP honors classes and scored a 27 ACT and all bright futures paid was $1,185 a semester. Not even enough to cover a meal plan. They have raised bright futures standards to the point very, very few students will even get anything. UCF enrollment has exploded in part to three main things 1) UF currently to get accepted out of high school you need a 4.0 GPA and at least a 1,100 SAT. (my son was told don't even bother applying) so it forces a huge number of students in the N. Cent FL to Orlando area to attend UCF 2) they are currently getting 25% of all community college transfers for the whole state which is a huge, huge number. 3) Orlando, brand new facilities, plenty of apartments and on campus housing close by and a campus that has the real estate to expand indefinetly. i agree about the charm of a smaller campus. The biggest complaint in FL I hear is that 95% of the smaller campuses are all private and very expensive (Rollins, Flagler, FL Southern, Eckerd, Nova Southeastern, Southeastern, Stetson etc. Your only two choices if you want to attend a State School under 30,000 students is UNF in Jacksonville or UWF in Pensacola, and both are long drives from Orlando-Tampa or South FL. AL is fortunate in that it has Troy, UWA, UNA, Jax St, UAH for students wanting a smaller school.
My daughter has a weighted GPA of 4.0 or better but didn't take the SAT. Got a 26 on the ACT and was accepted to UF. We don't live in Florida so she wouldn't get anything from bright future. Your son should have applied if he wanted to attend there.
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Mar 7, 2018 14:05:25 GMT -6
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Post by saintflorian on Mar 7, 2018 14:05:25 GMT -6
Not sure where this "Free" ride if you maintain grades came from. My son graduated in 2012 with a 3.85 GPA on 4.0 scale in AP honors classes and scored a 27 ACT and all bright futures paid was $1,185 a semester. Not even enough to cover a meal plan. They have raised bright futures standards to the point very, very few students will even get anything. UCF enrollment has exploded in part to three main things 1) UF currently to get accepted out of high school you need a 4.0 GPA and at least a 1,100 SAT. (my son was told don't even bother applying) so it forces a huge number of students in the N. Cent FL to Orlando area to attend UCF 2) they are currently getting 25% of all community college transfers for the whole state which is a huge, huge number. 3) Orlando, brand new facilities, plenty of apartments and on campus housing close by and a campus that has the real estate to expand indefinetly. i agree about the charm of a smaller campus. The biggest complaint in FL I hear is that 95% of the smaller campuses are all private and very expensive (Rollins, Flagler, FL Southern, Eckerd, Nova Southeastern, Southeastern, Stetson etc. Your only two choices if you want to attend a State School under 30,000 students is UNF in Jacksonville or UWF in Pensacola, and both are long drives from Orlando-Tampa or South FL. AL is fortunate in that it has Troy, UWA, UNA, Jax St, UAH for students wanting a smaller school.
My daughter has a weighted GPA of 4.0 or better but didn't take the SAT. Got a 26 on the ACT and was accepted to UF. We don't live in Florida so she wouldn't get anything from bright future. Your son should have applied if he wanted to attend there.
Your daughter got in because she is out of state.
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Mar 7, 2018 14:17:36 GMT -6
Post by cornhole on Mar 7, 2018 14:17:36 GMT -6
My daughter has a weighted GPA of 4.0 or better but didn't take the SAT. Got a 26 on the ACT and was accepted to UF. We don't live in Florida so she wouldn't get anything from bright future. Your son should have applied if he wanted to attend there.
Your daughter got in because she is out of state. Out of State $$$ talks louder.
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Mar 7, 2018 15:04:54 GMT -6
Post by Troystet on Mar 7, 2018 15:04:54 GMT -6
Your daughter got in because she is out of state. Out of State $$$ talks louder. Weighted GPA helped but I can tell you with 100% certainty if you lived in Florida she doesn't get in with a 26 ACT ( I know of people who's kids got turned down with 28-29 ACT) Congrats to her, excellent school and great alumni connections
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Mar 7, 2018 15:57:45 GMT -6
Post by doc71 on Mar 7, 2018 15:57:45 GMT -6
Out of State $$$ talks louder. Weighted GPA helped but I can tell you with 100% certainty if you lived in Florida she doesn't get in with a 26 ACT ( I know of people who's kids got turned down with 28-29 ACT) Congrats to her, excellent school and great alumni connections One big reason for the more restrictive entrance requirements is the change to outcome based state funding. So, no longer based on "butts in seats" or just numbers ... but funding is contingent on if the student "completes"/graduates, etc. Had some consultants from a FL college come talk to us about it because most states are moving to some form of this. They said, for instance if a student enters and doesn't complete (even if they leave school to take a job, etc.) ... the school is penalized for that student. Actually why most colleges (in AL anyway) are investing much more in getting Community College transfers ... they have a higher rate of completion than an entering freshman.
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Mar 7, 2018 20:46:26 GMT -6
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Post by Troystet on Mar 7, 2018 20:46:26 GMT -6
Weighted GPA helped but I can tell you with 100% certainty if you lived in Florida she doesn't get in with a 26 ACT ( I know of people who's kids got turned down with 28-29 ACT) Congrats to her, excellent school and great alumni connections One big reason for the more restrictive entrance requirements is the change to outcome based state funding. So, no longer based on "butts in seats" or just numbers ... but funding is contingent on if the student "completes"/graduates, etc. Had some consultants from a FL college come talk to us about it because most states are moving to some form of this. They said, for instance if a student enters and doesn't complete (even if they leave school to take a job, etc.) ... the school is penalized for that student. Actually why most colleges (in AL anyway) are investing much more in getting Community College transfers ... they have a higher rate of completion than an entering freshman. UF is unable to expand, on campus housing is dismal (one dorm is not even air conditioned if you can believe that) they have no real estate to expand. The state's population keeps increasing so more students apply. They have been forced to raise requirements to curb off increasing enrollment. Even a AA doesn't guarantee you into UF. UCF has plenty of land still to expand. I think they will hit 100,000 students in the next 20 years. You are correct on the AA transfers also. Usually they will finish to get their B.S. or BA
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Post by Possum on Mar 7, 2018 21:15:54 GMT -6
So... Ya, Memphis we're playing them, twice.
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Post by Hemi Man on Mar 8, 2018 8:50:28 GMT -6
So... Ya, Memphis we're playing them, twice. Beale St is fun.
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