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Post by buzzlightyear on Jan 5, 2018 11:09:47 GMT -6
Ok I am not the brightest bulb in the fixture but I have listened to pros and cons of expanding playoffs OR NOT. While not every point is covered these are the highlight Pros and Cons
Counter points 1) Too long 2) Water down regular season and makes championship games mean nothing 3) Its perfect the way it is. 4) To many games 5) Destroys Bowl games importance
Pro points 1) Does not leave out Cinderella 2) All P 5 Champs included 3) Etc. . So how do we keep the meaning of the season going and the Championship games. 1)We already have a few games the last weekend of August prior to Labor day....Make that the beginning of the season....even if students not there yet they are ready for college football. .
2) Conference Championship games Thanksgiving weekend .
3) Expand to 8 teams with first round games the Dec weekend that bowls start (13-16) ...Second round games the weekend or around January 1st ...championship is as it is now from Jan 8th to 12th area....hopefully 10 days between. ...First round games at site of higher ranked team ...Second and third rounds are part of bowls. ... ...Make up of 8 are all 5 P5 champs no matter record ...G6 champ is seeded #6 automatically unless ranked higher....IF THERE ARE TWO UNDEFEATED G6 THERE ARE 2 G6 TEAMS IN AT #6 AND #8 SEED .........if there are more undefeated that is all G5 gets in the playoff. ...At large IF THERE ARE 2 UNDEFEATED G5'S PUTS A PREMIUM AT WINNING CONFERENCE SINCE ONLY ONE AT LARGE SPOT ...If only one G5 undefeated or top ranked G5 with no more than one loss, then there are 2 at large P's programs ...caveat to any G5 getting in to playoff is that they must NOT have 2 or more losses. In that scenario 3 at large P5's . This plan protects the P5 seasons and championship games and pretty much assures no 3 loss P5's get into playoffs. It allows G5's to play into the playoff picture and produce the Cinderella that college basketball gets in its tournament. It protects the integrity of the playoffs from a NO chance to get the less than qualified G5 by not allowing a 2 loss G5 in to the mix. Let's face it the committee does a lousy job at matching the G5 with a team that is motivated to win. FSU with Houston, Auburn with UCF. This year Ohio State or Penn State or even USC would have been better choices for UCF to play. . I realize UCF is P.O. and understand some outlandish We are National Champ claims but at least this program would give them or any other good G5 a shot and protect the P5 programs as well. There have been two staunch camps and hopefully this plan will alleviate the angst of both of them. . Lastly, about prolonging the season. In this 2 teams would play 16 games at most and up to 4 total would play 15 at most. By beginning the season one week earlier you can preserve the by week in the season and finish college class finals the first week of December. . The other bowls can still be played in the in between weeks of the playoffs and even a couple each of FINAL 4 weekend thus providing for 2 consecutive days of 4 good bowl games.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jan 5, 2018 11:18:16 GMT -6
First round could be part of bowl picture too if people liked that idea..
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jan 5, 2018 12:55:18 GMT -6
Bye week not by
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Post by Troystet on Jan 5, 2018 13:00:14 GMT -6
Shorten season to 11 games. 16-20 team playoff. SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12 and ACC Champs first round bye. Conference Champs from each FBS Conference goes with 6-10 at large. Winner takes all
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jan 5, 2018 15:55:18 GMT -6
P5 will never give up the pie majority. Any playoff in their mind that won't assures them of dominance will not fly. However something that gives the illusion of allowing Cinderella in and their being magnanimous will fly. All G5 wants is a shot and an honest one. This laid out plan encourages the P5 to schedule difficult OOC games to enhance their image just in case they could get in as an at large while preserving the desire to win their conference and all the conference games. Meanwhile the G5 seeks to enhance their resumes by having the most attractive one loss or undefeated team. In addition in case another team is ranked or perceived ahead of them it still gives them hope of being in the playoff. Bowl games of up to 22 could be clustered thru those weekends with the focus on the playoffs.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 5, 2018 16:13:24 GMT -6
FBS Football. Only NCAA team sport without a true playoff system.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jan 5, 2018 16:55:20 GMT -6
You are right but but but...if college sports were represented by the alphabet, football would be A Thru T with all the other sports being the rest of the letters. Tooooooooooo much money by the powers at be.
Two additional tweaks to the plan: A 4 loss P5 champ does not get in and is replaced by an at large P5. If the highest ranked G5 has one loss and another G5 is undefeated the undefeated team goes as if both were undefeated. The omission of a 4 loss P5 champ would move the top G5 to seed number 5.
Remember these are seedings based only partially on rank as the college basketball tournament uses.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Jan 5, 2018 18:34:53 GMT -6
This is probably not going to be a popular sentiment here, but I think if we want to be objective, we have to admit this. Even if playoffs are expanded to 16 teams with 6 at large, there should not be a G5 in playoffs that failed to win their conference UNLESS there is a school that loses their conference championship game and is otherwise undefeated. Truth compels me to say that with maybe <5 schools, any G5 in the playoffs would be, as Buzz said, a Cinderella. A G5 that can't win their own conference IS NOT one of the top 16 teams in the country (above exception noted) and therefore has no business in the playoffs. There, it's out there. Be it UCF. Boise St, or TROY, if we lose games against other G5 schools, we don't deserve a shot. Undefeated yes, otherwise get the best bowl possible and be happy with the season.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jan 5, 2018 18:50:15 GMT -6
Bubba a great example would have been last year with early season loss to Clemson. Say we win rest of games and no WMU out there....we may have well been the best of the rest and if considered we would have a shot as one of 8 teams. However, as you say NO G5 will make it without being a champion since all of the conferences now have a championship game. My asterisk if you will about a higher ranked team would have been Houston a couple of years ago. If they were in (and may have been in top 4) then another undefeated G5 could have been eligible as an 8th seed. However a one loss Troy last year would have been a good example of how a team would be in as The statutory 6th seed.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Jan 5, 2018 19:27:47 GMT -6
Bubba a great example would have been last year with early season loss to Clemson. Say we win rest of games and no WMU out there....we may have well been the best of the rest and if considered we would have a shot as one of 8 teams. However, as you say NO G5 will make it without being a champion since all of the conferences now have a championship game. My asterisk if you will about a higher ranked team would have been Houston a couple of years ago. If they were in (and may have been in top 4) then another undefeated G5 could have been eligible as an 8th seed. However a one loss Troy last year would have been a good example of how a team would be in as The statutory 6th seed. You're right in that a one loss (to eventual national champ Clemson) TROY team could make a rightful claim to be in the playoff. It's also true that one loss TROY team would have been conference champ and would automatically qualify in a 5-5-6 playoff format. The water would have been muddied this year, with co champs. That's why the champ game next year is so huge.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jan 6, 2018 9:47:07 GMT -6
Again under so much money involved we will never go to a sixteen team playoff for this division. 1) Preserve the bowls 2) No more P5 exclusion (except if champ 4 losses and others do not qualify as wild card) 3) Actual inclusion of G5 4) Maintain importance of season 5) Maintain importance of league champions 6) Maintain the desire for all (G5 and P5) to schedule aggressively to enhance their resumes. 7) Not allowing any one poorly competitive G5 in to the playoff
The talking heads have said UCF would never be able to play with a motivated playoff P5. So how does a G5 get to play while keeping all above By following the type of program I have offered here. I am not saying that it is brilliant. I am asking this board to look at this plan objectively and REALISTICALLY since we will never go to an all inclusive playoff as the other divisions have already in place. Critique the plan and just maybe we can accomplish baby steps toward a playoff as the other divisions have because G 5 shows that they can compete if given the opportunity.
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Post by discophobia on Jan 9, 2018 10:00:23 GMT -6
Anything that doesnt include all 11 FBS Conference champs, is crap! You win your conference you are in the playoffs, throw in a couple of teams from the P5's as wild cards based on record. Seed it based on record and strength of schedule and conference and play ball. Incorporate the top bowls as playoff games and the rest will be left over for those good teams that didnt get in.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jan 9, 2018 10:10:46 GMT -6
Anything that doesnt include all 11 FBS Conference champs, is crap! You win your conference you are in the playoffs, throw in a couple of teams from the P5's as wild cards based on record. Seed it based on record and strength of schedule and conference and play ball. Incorporate the top bowls as playoff games and the rest will be left over for those good teams that didnt get in. I understand your sentiment....True crap....but you are never going to get that type of playoff in our lifetimes. The only way would be if an anti-trust suit was forced on CFP and NCAA. Not going to happen. It is like (if your married) and you hate your mother in law......you tell your wife...I think your mom is a B**** so I am not ever going to talk to her......Hey it might be true and she might even think she can be too.....but are you going to say that and never see her again......or to keep everyone happy smile and go.....and complain later.....?
Guys we need to smile and get as much out of it as possible.
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