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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 17, 2017 6:28:21 GMT -6
Apparently I watched a different game. I saw an offense that was much more creative than the previous two weeks. A QB and a few RBs that never quit and a defense that was extremely short handed yet we are 1-0 in conference play now. I will agree the penalties are a mess and I'm sure they will be addressed. What is creativity? Some see an abstract canvas and think "What creative genius painted this?", I see where someone spilled a can of paint and let their toddler play in it. For me, creative play calling involves misdirection, play action, throwing the go route on 1st and ten, using your bruiser back instead of your speedster at unexpected times...these type things. With the exception of play action and using unexpected personnel, I didn't feel we had time for a lot of what I call "creativity". Brandon was on the move constantly. My observation that we weren't very creative was just that, it wasn't a complaint. We went on the road, had great ball security (0 turnovers, if my memory is correct) had enough TOP that the defense could rest and, in the end, when it mattered most, chewed up 6:15 to secure the win. Other than mindless penalties, I have no issue with last night's offense. Though not perfect from an execution standpoint, we took what they gave us and did what was necessary to win. That's all the creativity I need. After all, I'm old, I was around in the days of the Southland when we lined up and smashed the opponents in the mouth for 60 minutes and won way more than we lost. 3 yards and a cloud of dust ain't all bad.
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Post by ksdtrojan on Sept 17, 2017 8:47:45 GMT -6
Bamer has no reason for mention in a TROY thread... I hope he was referring to Coach Hardmon, the DL coach. That would make sense in the context of the post. If he wasn't, then 100% what you said. I'll go with that.
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Post by discophobia on Sept 17, 2017 10:54:06 GMT -6
I hope they run the O line till they puke. The same guys with procedure penalties and holds are killing us. Silvers was on last night, despite being under pressure constantly. Henderson and Chunn - no better run combo in college football. Our pass defense was suspect last night, but that QB was good and their receivers made some great plays. Hopefully, Underwood has missed is two kicks of the year. Time management was much better and the defense and offense stepped up in the end when they had to maintain the lead. Hopefully, this game gets us on the right track.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 17, 2017 14:22:20 GMT -6
More relieved than happy. Still zero imagination on play calling and made worse today by the D playing Rowell Ball. This won't get it done much longer. Defense had it's moments. Our offense is still anemic. I'm sick and tired of the damn bubble screen. Silvers run for out last TD saved the game Defense had it's moments. Our offense is still anemic. I'm sick and tired of the damn bubble screen. Silvers run for out last TD saved the game Bubble! Tunnel! Back porch! No more screens!!! One final observation. I agree that with the exception of the 4th and one keeper by Silvers for 6, the play calling wasn't very creative. I noticed that Silvers spent a lot of time retreating from and escaping a collapsing pocket. It's very difficult to be creative when the QB is running for his life. Can creativity slow down the defense, and take some of the load off the "O" line? Sure, but when a defense can flush the QB as much as Silvers was flushed tonight, they just pin their ears back, run down hill, and take their chances. We did well tonight to hand the ball to Chunn and Henderson and let them run by the first wave of defenders. Yes CNB calls the plays and is involved in the O planning a little bit. But he relies on the Offensive Coordinator/staff to but together a scheme/plan/plays. Again there is ZERO creativity from this O staff. You see it with your own eyes week in and week out. This O staff planning is stifling CNB creative play calling. This is a Rowell situation. Let these cats find other opportunities to succeed on the high school level. We need some mad geniuses like CNB backing him up.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 17, 2017 14:56:20 GMT -6
Saint Florian and others ......I repeat a gazillion times over this is not Rowell like.....I could call 97 percent of the plays and we did not make the other 3 percent that tricky....I could have played D with 8 guys and beaten us in those days......a little predictable at TIMES....but so are a good many coordinators they just execute and we have some studs who can......but Rowell like ........short memories or you are all kidding ....or playing chicken little and our synonym for the sky is falling is spelled Rowell.....my quarterback son when Rowell was here once asked me how I called ELEVEN plays in a row right.......I told him to watch and his response after the next two quarters was...."oh that's how"
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 17, 2017 14:57:27 GMT -6
I think the O coordinator in those days was a relative of Coach LB
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 17, 2017 15:09:27 GMT -6
More relieved than happy. Still zero imagination on play calling and made worse today by the D playing Rowell Ball. This won't get it done much longer. Defense had it's moments. Our offense is still anemic. I'm sick and tired of the damn bubble screen. Silvers run for out last TD saved the game Bubble! Tunnel! Back porch! No more screens!!! One final observation. I agree that with the exception of the 4th and one keeper by Silvers for 6, the play calling wasn't very creative. I noticed that Silvers spent a lot of time retreating from and escaping a collapsing pocket. It's very difficult to be creative when the QB is running for his life. Can creativity slow down the defense, and take some of the load off the "O" line? Sure, but when a defense can flush the QB as much as Silvers was flushed tonight, they just pin their ears back, run down hill, and take their chances. We did well tonight to hand the ball to Chunn and Henderson and let them run by the first wave of defenders. Yes CNB calls the plays and is involved in the O planning a little bit. But he relies on the Offensive Coordinator/staff to but together a scheme/plan/plays. Again there is ZERO creativity from this O staff. You see it with your own eyes week in and week out. This O staff planning is stifling CNB creative play calling. This is a Rowell situation. Let these cats find other opportunities to succeed on the high school level. We need some mad geniuses like CNB backing him up. Well now there's a unanimous winner for the most uninformed post of the weekend.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 17, 2017 15:23:50 GMT -6
Yes CNB calls the plays and is involved in the O planning a little bit. But he relies on the Offensive Coordinator/staff to but together a scheme/plan/plays. Again there is ZERO creativity from this O staff. You see it with your own eyes week in and week out. This O staff planning is stifling CNB creative play calling. This is a Rowell situation. Let these cats find other opportunities to succeed on the high school level. We need some mad geniuses like CNB backing him up. Well now there's a unanimous winner for the most uninformed post of the weekend. This from a guy who believed that Rowell should have and would have made a great head coach at Troy. Funny.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 17, 2017 17:55:39 GMT -6
Well now there's a unanimous winner for the most uninformed post of the weekend. This from a guy who believed that Rowell should have and would have made a great head coach at Troy. Funny. Speaking of Rowell.... We would have won against gasouth if we would have gone deep every play. I had a few anger moments last season and that was one of them.
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Post by TrojanFanatic on Sept 17, 2017 18:42:28 GMT -6
I don't mind having plays that we are comfortable with or look to as tried and true plays, but when it's third and long and throw a bubble screen and expect the receiver or running back to make the first down from three to five yards in the back field is a problem in my opinion
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 17, 2017 19:20:38 GMT -6
Well now there's a unanimous winner for the most uninformed post of the weekend. This from a guy who believed that Rowell should have and would have made a great head coach at Troy. Funny. And the second most uninformed post of the weekend.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 17, 2017 19:24:36 GMT -6
I don't mind having plays that we are comfortable with or look to as tried and true plays, but when it's third and long and throw a bubble screen and expect the receiver or running back to make the first down from three to five yards in the back field is a problem in my opinion My guess would be the playcalling is heavily influenced by the concerns with the offensive line. All in all I think the offense was pretty effective minus the missed field goal and 4th down conversion.
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Post by pctrojan16 on Sept 17, 2017 20:15:18 GMT -6
As someone who played, worked with, and now coach offensive line... It takes time to come together as one unit. They are working kinks out. Also yes the way your line is set up does without a doubt determine your play calling in a game. Want to go on the side with the guys you know will do well. Finally, if we had anyone better than any starter's, they would be playing. Thank you. *Mic drop*
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Post by ksdtrojan on Sept 17, 2017 20:53:23 GMT -6
As someone who played, worked with, and now coach offensive line... It takes time to come together as one unit. They are working kinks out. Also yes the way your line is set up does without a doubt determine your play calling in a game. Want to go on the side with the guys you know will do well. Finally, if we had anyone better than any starter's, they would be playing. Thank you. *Mic drop* I agree with this and trust Matt to make the right decision as to who is starting and which players are in the rotation.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 18, 2017 0:25:45 GMT -6
I don't mind having plays that we are comfortable with or look to as tried and true plays, but when it's third and long and throw a bubble screen and expect the receiver or running back to make the first down from three to five yards in the back field is a problem in my opinion You are correct. I am sure the Rowell apologist club will reply with excuses..............and they have.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Sept 18, 2017 7:55:53 GMT -6
You are correct. I am sure the Rowell apologist club will reply with excuses..............and they have. Jeremy Rowell is the greatest coach of all time.
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Post by discophobia on Sept 18, 2017 8:19:31 GMT -6
Wikipedia: Jeremy Rowell - Known for driving once proud defensive units into former shells of themselves and patenting the Rowell Pump fake-(where an opposing teams QB could pump fake the ball and have every defensive back react thus giving time to the receivers to get open and run up the score.)
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 18, 2017 8:41:21 GMT -6
You are correct. I am sure the Rowell apologist club will reply with excuses..............and they have. Jeremy Rowell is the greatest coach of all time. .......on his XBox Live account: Pumpfakemeforaneasy7
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Post by kidatl on Sept 18, 2017 9:51:08 GMT -6
Anderson dishing out the pain! I agree...I just wish they feed him the ball more. This will help Jordan last through the whole season.
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