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Post by troyguy on Sept 13, 2017 19:21:03 GMT -6
Announced attendance isn't real.
Hey there. Long time lurker, first time poster. I recently posted on twitter (yeah, i'm that "reporter") about the Troy attendance record and many fans were somewhat upset. First, I was wrong to say 75%. I'll admit to that. It was an off the cuff statement that had no basis. It was definitely more than that. Was it more than the Mississippi State game? Hell no.
I brought this to the attention of my editor and another colleague. My colleague was in the press box and was the one sitting next to Josh Boutwell. He told me from his point of view, there's no way there were over 29K fans at the game. My editor expressed the same sentiment. At peak, the stadium was pretty damn full. But, not over 29K full. It also peaked for a very short amount of time.
My whole original point was that announced attendance isn't real and Troy did not break the attendance record on Saturday. Many teams use announce attendance to inflate numbers (very prevalent in baseball) and Troy is one of them. These figures always include season ticket holders and tickets sold whether they were at the game or not. Also, as a student, I can tell you that counting the students as they come isn't really a thing. Nobody knows how many students are at these games. On multiple occasions I've entered through the student entrance and my ID was never checked.
I apologize for the 75% number, but not for anything else.
To the guy who tweeted me saying the Trop wasn't a real paper, come by the office and let our wall of awards be the judge of that. The premier student newspaper of the South is an actual real thing that exists.
Thanks for listening and I look forward to any civil discourse you wish to have.
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Post by Possum on Sept 13, 2017 20:04:49 GMT -6
After "Mr. Die Hard Georgia fan, but goes to Troy and hopes Troy loses"'s article, the Trop lost all credibility with me, sorry.
One of the few, the proud and loud TROY ONLY fans
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Post by Troystet on Sept 13, 2017 20:07:51 GMT -6
I wasnt at this game due to Irma but I was at the Miss St game in 2012. I've seen the crowd pics and there was more people sitting in the stands at the Miss St game. However Troy supposedly uses tickets sold for attendance. So, we have no way of knowing how many people actually are in the stands at any game. I've been to Troy games that announce attendance as 15,000 ie the 2014 or 15 App St game where there was maybe 2,500 in the stands and games like Miss St that was spot on. It is kinda like do you trust the government? Do you trust Troy announced attendance?
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Sept 13, 2017 20:21:50 GMT -6
Announced attendance isn't real. Hey there. Long time lurker, first time poster. I recently posted on twitter (yeah, i'm that "reporter") about the Troy attendance record and many fans were somewhat upset. First, I was wrong to say 75%. I'll admit to that. It was an off the cuff statement that had no basis. It was definitely more than that. Was it more than the Mississippi State game? Hell no. I brought this to the attention of my editor and another colleague. My colleague was in the press box and was the one sitting next to Josh Boutwell. He told me from his point of view, there's no way there were over 29K fans at the game. My editor expressed the same sentiment. At peak, the stadium was pretty damn full. But, not over 29K full. It also peaked for a very short amount of time. My whole original point was that announced attendance isn't real and Troy did not break the attendance record on Saturday. Many teams use announce attendance to inflate numbers (very prevalent in baseball) and Troy is one of them. These figures always include season ticket holders and tickets sold whether they were at the game or not. Also, as a student, I can tell you that counting the students as they come isn't really a thing. Nobody knows how many students are at these games. On multiple occasions I've entered through the student entrance and my ID was never checked. I apologize for the 75% number, but not for anything else. To the guy who tweeted me saying the Trop wasn't a real paper, come by the office and let our wall of awards be the judge of that. The premier student newspaper of the South is an actual real thing that exists. Thanks for listening and I look forward to any civil discourse you wish to have. Take a breath, Tiger. Official attendance numbers are calculated off of tickets sold, not tickets used. You may very well be right that there were more folks in their seat for the Mississippi State game. I wouldn't argue it heavily. However, I also wouldn't fall on a sword declaring the Saturday number wasn't accurate. The stadium filled in quite well during the 1Q. From my vantage point, I would say it was 90-95% full. When you factor in stadium club and suite patrons (which you can't see) the announced number becomes much more attainable. Also, no need to lash out at the folks on this board. The folks here are the most loyal Troy supporters (mostly) in the land. Getting upset and throwing a minor tantrum won't endear yourself to them. I once ran that sports department you write for. Focus on providing quality content and features, not trivial attendance figured and somewhat dickish fans. You will enjoy your beat a lot more.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 13, 2017 20:48:44 GMT -6
Announced attendance isn't real. Hey there. Long time lurker, first time poster. I recently posted on twitter (yeah, i'm that "reporter") about the Troy attendance record and many fans were somewhat upset. First, I was wrong to say 75%. I'll admit to that. It was an off the cuff statement that had no basis. It was definitely more than that. Was it more than the Mississippi State game? Hell no. I brought this to the attention of my editor and another colleague. My colleague was in the press box and was the one sitting next to Josh Boutwell. He told me from his point of view, there's no way there were over 29K fans at the game. My editor expressed the same sentiment. At peak, the stadium was pretty damn full. But, not over 29K full. It also peaked for a very short amount of time. My whole original point was that announced attendance isn't real and Troy did not break the attendance record on Saturday. Many teams use announce attendance to inflate numbers (very prevalent in baseball) and Troy is one of them. These figures always include season ticket holders and tickets sold whether they were at the game or not. Also, as a student, I can tell you that counting the students as they come isn't really a thing. Nobody knows how many students are at these games. On multiple occasions I've entered through the student entrance and my ID was never checked. I apologize for the 75% number, but not for anything else. To the guy who tweeted me saying the Trop wasn't a real paper, come by the office and let our wall of awards be the judge of that. The premier student newspaper of the South is an actual real thing that exists. Thanks for listening and I look forward to any civil discourse you wish to have. 1) Welcome to the board. I hope you enjoy our little community. 2) While it's true that the announced crowd of 29,278 was not indicative of the actual turnstile count, it's also true that anyone who follows sports on a regular basis knows that attendance numbers are based off of tickets sold and given away, not on turnstile counts. With that in mind, if the athletic department says that 29,278 tickets sold/given away is a record number, then it's a record number. 3) I posted a picture in the thread where this discussion was held. The photo was a panoramic shot of the east stands. south end zone and half of the west side lower level. As I stated, if the west stands were as full as those represented in that picture, there's no doubt that there was 25,000 plus actual fannies in seats (on the concourses, on the plaza, etc). 4) In my opinion, as well as the opinion of other posters here who attended both the MS State and Saturday's game, the Saturday crowd was as larger than the crowd for MS State. In your opinion, and as you stated that of your editor and your colleague, the MS State crowd was larger than Saturday's. Since neither you or we counted actual people in attendance for either event, our opinion is as valuable as yours. If you offer an opinion on a public forum, understand it may be challenged. When that occurs, don't get your feathers ruffled. Be a big boy and accept that there is disagreement and that not everyone will agree with you all the time. This board has enough people on it that lack that ability already. 5) Finally, I'll address the issue Possum pointed out above. In the recent past, there have been multiple Trop articles that were not favorable to TROY football. From Nick the GA fan who attended TROY but was a die hard GA fan and wrote in the Trop that he wanted GA to beat TROY, to the person who wrote about how distressed they were over the "I Hate South" rhetoric before last years game, opinion pieces (yes they were opinions) have been written for the paper, and subsequently approved for publication by its editors, that weren't very supportive of the football program and its fans. Keep in mind, this is a SCHOOL newspaper and while its writers have a right to their opinion, it rankles the fur of die hard TROJAN fans, of which this board is composed, to see our school's newspaper be used as a means to disparage the football program and its fan base. Therefore, because of that history, when an article appears in the Trop, or is associated with it, that is critical of the program and its fans, it isn't going to received well. Keep that in mind as you tweet and write under the auspices of the Trop. If you criticize the program, the athletic department, or the fans of TROY, especially in a confrontational way, there will be backlash and your posts and articles will not be well received on a TROY message board composed of die hards. There are no hard feelings here. You said you would welcome civil discourse and here it is. I disagree with your tweet (which you've acknowledged was in error) but as far as I'm concerned, we're good. Again, welcome to the board.
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Post by tums on Sept 13, 2017 20:53:43 GMT -6
I seen more ASU fans than I did Mississippi State. There was more fans were I was sitting than at Mississippi State. Less sounds like Fake News to me since I personally seen more. Lol
Actual number I can not say, more than Mississippi State I will say from my perspective.
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Post by ksdtrojan on Sept 13, 2017 21:17:40 GMT -6
After "Mr. Die Hard Georgia fan, but goes to Troy and hopes Troy loses"'s article, the Trop lost all credibility with me, sorry. One of the few, the proud and loud TROY ONLY fans Here, here!!! The TROP can regain credibility for many on this board by being TROJAN true. Yes, I understand you, the reporters, and the present editors of the TROP have the right to publish what you deem appropriate to gain the interest of your readership made of mostly current TROY students and alumni of our glorious institution of higher learning. However, if you and your colleagues choose to write slanderous pieces that inflame many who are die hard TROJANS, please understand this does not bode well for your readership. The fight song states "to the school we love" and I, as an alumnist, will support all aspects of TROY, even the TROP. However, I cannot and will not support a member of this glorious institution that isn't supportive of the ONE TROY initiative. Why? Because that member, be it a person or group of people or organization under the vast TROY umbrella, is a danger to the ultimate rise of TROY to greatness in all endeavours. Welcome to the board. TROJANS one and all! Cry HAVOC! TROY and only TROY for me as well.
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Post by doc71 on Sept 13, 2017 21:39:48 GMT -6
At least as many people Saturday as at MS state game! I even made point to my son that I'd never seen so many in "away" side.
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Post by The Cardinal Rule on Sept 13, 2017 21:58:05 GMT -6
I love newspaper reporters, they all have this pipe dream about being the next Bob Woodward but can't get the facts straight on the small issues.
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Post by cornhole on Sept 13, 2017 22:58:05 GMT -6
Announced attendance isn't real. Hey there. Long time lurker, first time poster. I recently posted on twitter (yeah, i'm that "reporter") about the Troy attendance record and many fans were somewhat upset. First, I was wrong to say 75%. I'll admit to that. It was an off the cuff statement that had no basis. It was definitely more than that. Was it more than the Mississippi State game? Hell no. I brought this to the attention of my editor and another colleague. My colleague was in the press box and was the one sitting next to Josh Boutwell. He told me from his point of view, there's no way there were over 29K fans at the game. My editor expressed the same sentiment. At peak, the stadium was pretty damn full. But, not over 29K full. It also peaked for a very short amount of time. My whole original point was that announced attendance isn't real and Troy did not break the attendance record on Saturday. Many teams use announce attendance to inflate numbers (very prevalent in baseball) and Troy is one of them. These figures always include season ticket holders and tickets sold whether they were at the game or not. Also, as a student, I can tell you that counting the students as they come isn't really a thing. Nobody knows how many students are at these games. On multiple occasions I've entered through the student entrance and my ID was never checked. I apologize for the 75% number, but not for anything else. To the guy who tweeted me saying the Trop wasn't a real paper, come by the office and let our wall of awards be the judge of that. The premier student newspaper of the South is an actual real thing that exists. Thanks for listening and I look forward to any civil discourse you wish to have. WE attended the MSU game, had a good time and a big crowd. WE attended the ASU game, had a good time and a big crowd. DARN! I forgot to count all those FULL seats! We WATCHED the game. Y'all count butts, I'll watch the game. GO TROJANS!
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 14, 2017 4:42:59 GMT -6
I was at my fathers 90th birthday party in Kansas and could not attend. Because I was traveling had to listen to parts of it that I could hear....The crowd seemed 82 percent as engaged as during the Mississippi State game and thus the confusion if there was 102 less people or 12 more people. However that is not the only reason that some felt there were more this time....We now sell beer at the stadium and therefore some see double so that could contribute to the illusion of more.....and with beer sales there are more bathroom breaks by 11percent thus at anyone time the stands will be 11 percent less full than actual people there...........I am with cornhole on this one but my point dear Tropicana writer .....let it go....When you write just as this farcical post you express an Opinion and not everyone will agree. Some of the disagreements will fact base and some will be off the cuff like your 75percent or my bull in the aforementioned stats...Wellcome to the real world where your feelings will be hurt at times even when you don't like it.
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Post by skeeter on Sept 14, 2017 6:34:29 GMT -6
From where I was setting we had a great crowd. Not to worried about the numbers due to all Troy Trojans faces setting beside me,above me and below me.I will say this, I spoke to 4 or 5 players after the game and they were not talking about numbers, they were proud to see the seat filled. I say let's have a repeat with our next home game and fill the place from top to bottom. GO TROY TROJANS!!!
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Sept 14, 2017 7:45:33 GMT -6
Maybe it's just my generation, but I don't understand the attitude and philosophy that says tear an institution (In this case Troy Football) down so I get noticed. Why not say the Vet was packed Saturday with many fans standing in the concession area. We appreciate all those that attended and we hope to see a sellout crowd this season.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 14, 2017 8:03:06 GMT -6
We could have a sellout if they would focus on the Border angle, invite Bobby, and call LB back from the east side of the state...
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Post by The Cardinal Rule on Sept 14, 2017 8:53:04 GMT -6
Maybe it's just my generation, but I don't understand the attitude and philosophy that says tear an institution (In this case Troy Football) down so I get noticed. Why not say the Vet was packed Saturday with many fans standing in the concession area. We appreciate all those that attended and we hope to see a sellout crowd this season. That's not just the Trop it's newspaper reporters in general. They are starved for attention. Here's what they do: They write something contrary to popular opinion under the guise of "telling the other side of the story". Then they become elated at all the attention it garners in the reader comment section, letters to the editor, etc... the reporters get off on the fact you are talking about them and their work. But if you ever come back at them with facts (those pesky little things)they get all defensive because they seem to forget Freedom of Speech is a two-way street.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 14, 2017 9:19:41 GMT -6
I have said it before and I will say it again....the younger generation are going to have to realize that opinions are like rectums almost everyone has one....and in that vain someone disagreeing with you is normal....get use to it....I would suggest listening to "The sunscreen song" for all those under 30 and some of my older friends too.
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Post by troyguy on Sept 14, 2017 9:21:11 GMT -6
Thank you all for the responses! Instead of quoting everyone I'll just reply here. I understand the Trop has had a couple of unpopular opinions. I was not around for the Georgia fan but I was for the South Hate Week article. All I can say is us at sports thought it was a pretty trash opinion. Even though I wasn't around for GA guy, I can almost guarantee you that wasn't a Trop staffer. Now, I am not "starved" for attention and was not trying to garner it with the tweet. I've had a strong irritation towards announced attendance for a long time. I am a big Troy supporter and my tweets reflect. Please feel free to peruse my profile (or even give a follow ) @scottwatkinstu. Along with the Trop, I cover Sun Belt football at forgotten5.com. I know I'm just plugging myself now but I believe in full transparency. I think that covers it all. Go Troy! Now if you want to talk football I am super down. This NMSU game is really going to be something.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 14, 2017 9:40:24 GMT -6
Here's my take. When I was on campus at Troy as an undergrad (before I flunked right out), I complained all the time. I complained how terrible Alumni Hall was. I complained about the food at SAGA. I complained about the parking. I complained. Now as a 40 something, I wish I could go back. Those were the good ole days. I consider going to Troy now one of the most favorite parts of my life. Long after the current students have graduated they will long for Troy. It casts a spell on you. In your old age when Troy sets an attendance record of 158,394, you will cheer it and brag about it.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 14, 2017 9:47:22 GMT -6
Here's my take. When I was on campus at Troy as an undergrad (before I flunked right out), I complained all the time. I complained how terrible Alumni Hall was. I complained about the food at SAGA. I complained about the parking. I complained. Now as a 40 something, I wish I could go back. Those were the good ole days. I consider going to Troy now one of the most favorite parts of my life. Long after the current students have graduated they will long for Troy. It casts a spell on you. In your old age when Troy sets an attendance record of 158,394, you will cheer it and brag about it. However even then people would argue if it was 158,395 or 158,395
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Post by joshboutwell on Sept 14, 2017 10:31:18 GMT -6
Well, I will def. give you credit for owning up to the 75% deal but honestly had you not done that bit of hyperbole no one would have even batted an eye. People just took it as you throwing shots at Troy and just being flat out wrong. Had said something along the lines of "The Vet is packed but the MSU crowd from a few years ago still looked a bit bigger to me," no one likely would have had a problem. I love newspaper reporters, they all have this pipe dream about being the next Bob Woodward but can't get the facts straight on the small issues. Come on man, that's not necessary at all. Maybe it's just my generation, but I don't understand the attitude and philosophy that says tear an institution (In this case Troy Football) down so I get noticed. Why not say the Vet was packed Saturday with many fans standing in the concession area. We appreciate all those that attended and we hope to see a sellout crowd this season. That's not just the Trop it's newspaper reporters in general. They are starved for attention. Here's what they do: They write something contrary to popular opinion under the guise of "telling the other side of the story". Then they become elated at all the attention it garners in the reader comment section, letters to the editor, etc... the reporters get off on the fact you are talking about them and their work. But if you ever come back at them with facts (those pesky little things)they get all defensive because they seem to forget Freedom of Speech is a two-way street. Look, I get that in this day and age the cool thing is to just rip anyone that works in any sort of news related media and call them "fake news" and everything else but the LARGE majority of us are just trying to do our jobs, and have no desire to "look for attention" or misrepresent facts. Every single reporter or writer has gotten something wrong, no one is infallible. The big thing is owning up to being wrong and correcting it, which I believe the majority of reporters do or try to do. Now, opinion is a different matter. You can't be wrong about an opinion, because it's an opinion. You do, though, have the right to disagree with an opinion.
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Post by chasin170 on Sept 14, 2017 13:18:13 GMT -6
Ain't rippin' just sayin' that EVERY school will have a larger attendance number vs "butts in seats".I fail to see the news.For the best comedy track Southern Miss and see the stadium pics vs announced attendance......simply hilarious.
Troy's numbers are closer than most
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 14, 2017 14:01:27 GMT -6
Yes Troy is pretty accurate with bigger crowds but when it was bad we were waaaaaaaaaaaaay off but never as far off as UAB saying they had 18000 and they had 6 parents 3 homeless people and a corpse in the stands
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Sept 14, 2017 14:08:53 GMT -6
Yes Troy is pretty accurate with bigger crowds but when it was bad we were waaaaaaaaaaaaay off but never as far off as UAB saying they had 18000 and they had 6 parents 3 homeless people and a corpse in the stands
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Post by jonesoxygen on Sept 14, 2017 14:30:49 GMT -6
I've not missed a home game since 2002, Saturday was the largest home crowd to ever be in Veterans Memorial Stadium. I don't care how they count it or if it was accurate. I have a nice canvas on my wall of the Miss. State game and it's a nice 3rd place to both ASU crowds. Without question, Sat. was the largest crowd in history.
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Post by Possum on Sept 15, 2017 1:28:42 GMT -6
Ya, the GA guy was a Trop staffer...
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