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Post by Pensacola Trojan on Dec 3, 2016 14:38:57 GMT -6
We are in the Mobile bowl regardless of this loss Isn't mobile for #2? #2 pick but not necessarily in order of finish
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Post by trojanempire on Dec 3, 2016 14:49:14 GMT -6
Anybody but Toledo...I don't care where we go bowling
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Post by bennekles on Dec 3, 2016 14:54:14 GMT -6
Now I just want Texas State to pull out a miracle so ASU can't have the championship either.
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Post by trojanbear on Dec 3, 2016 15:00:50 GMT -6
I haven't posted much this year but let's remember we did not fall from our past glory in 2 seasons and it will take more than 2 seasons for NB to return us. 9-3 season not bad for a season where we were picked to finish 5th or 6th in the Sunbelt. Some of you make me laugh, let Neal go statements. Aren't we all great arm chair coaches. No matter what bowl or where, I'll be there. Proud as always to be a Trojan.
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Post by Possum on Dec 3, 2016 15:16:11 GMT -6
Ok. I've calmed down now...
Neal Brown has done an amazing job, is he perfect? No. Is he a great coach yes, absolutely and Troy is very lucky to have him. If anyone would have told me that we'd be 9-3 after last year, I would have asked for a 6 pack of what they had been drinking, but here we are.
The future is blindingly bright for the little school we love down in Pike County, Alabama.
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Post by troyjan95 on Dec 3, 2016 15:24:38 GMT -6
not happy with the outcome but we are ahead of schedule - +5 win margin over last year - strong still a chance to get to 10 wins - strong great recruiting class so far and great leaders coming back - if we don't win the championship next year we can complain but not this year - to be in the conversation was better than expected for sure
Go Trojans and see you wherever we are bowling!
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 3, 2016 15:37:24 GMT -6
not happy with the outcome but we are ahead of schedule - +5 win margin over last year - strong still a chance to get to 10 wins - strong great recruiting class so far and great leaders coming back - if we don't win the championship next year we can complain but not this year - to be in the conversation was better than expected for sure Go Trojans and see you wherever we are bowling! Everyone keeps talking about we are "ahead of schedule " Please share this schedule. Does it include championships? When ?
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Post by Troystet on Dec 3, 2016 15:38:55 GMT -6
not happy with the outcome but we are ahead of schedule - +5 win margin over last year - strong still a chance to get to 10 wins - strong great recruiting class so far and great leaders coming back - if we don't win the championship next year we can complain but not this year - to be in the conversation was better than expected for sure Go Trojans and see you wherever we are bowling! Everyone keeps talking about we are "ahead of schedule " Please share this schedule. Does it include championships? When ? We had a chance at the championship twice this season and we blew it both times
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Post by pkf4troy on Dec 3, 2016 15:56:09 GMT -6
After ready a lot of the posts in this thread I would expect a lot of applications to be filed with the athletic department Monday. Too many football geniuses on here to not be coaching football. Nobody expected the outcome of this season.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 3, 2016 16:02:56 GMT -6
After ready a lot of the posts in this thread I would expect a lot of applications to be filed with the athletic department Monday. Too many football geniuses on here to not be coaching football. Nobody expected the outcome of this season. Pre-season and actual season are two different animals. Did we expect this? No. But this team was better than expected and this loss shouldn't have happened, that's what is aggravating. Now on to the bowl game
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Post by psychotrojan07 on Dec 3, 2016 16:06:53 GMT -6
Take a real look at where the program is and you'll see that this season is definitely a success, the coaching staff has overall done a great job at managing the program. They are human and make mistakes, players and coaches. It is OK for us as fans to be upset about a loss like this. It's OK to question play calling and in game decisions. It doesn't mean you don't support the team/staff. It is a good sign of where the expectations have risen to in the last 9 months. We should be disappointed with today's game, and excited about where the program is headed. The fact is, we had a chance to win the conference this year. Twice really. That leaves us very disappointed but it's great to be back in the hunt. When was the last time we were this fired up for Trojan football? Been far too long! Go Trojans!
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 3, 2016 16:09:38 GMT -6
After ready a lot of the posts in this thread I would expect a lot of applications to be filed with the athletic department Monday. Too many football geniuses on here to not be coaching football. Nobody expected the outcome of this season. Yes, some of the responses on here, especially the ones about firing CNB, are dumb. But I expected this result. Actually, Expectations every year should be championships. If not, why suit up ? If your expectations are 6-6 then we are doomed before we even start. To quote Neal Brown, it's not ok to Lose
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Post by Troystet on Dec 3, 2016 16:25:36 GMT -6
After ready a lot of the posts in this thread I would expect a lot of applications to be filed with the athletic department Monday. Too many football geniuses on here to not be coaching football. Nobody expected the outcome of this season. Yes, some of the responses on here, especially the ones about firing CNB, are dumb. But I expected this result. Actually, Expectations every year should be championships. If not, why suit up ? If your expectations are 6-6 then we are doomed before we even start. To quote Neal Brown, it's not ok to Lose Nobody said fire NB
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Post by The Cardinal Rule on Dec 3, 2016 22:18:34 GMT -6
Disappointed by today. We choked. Troy has to learn to finish the season. That lesson cost us a share of the conference championship.
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Post by Redwaver on Dec 3, 2016 23:07:46 GMT -6
Yes, some of the responses on here, especially the ones about firing CNB, are dumb. But I expected this result. Actually, Expectations every year should be championships. If not, why suit up ? If your expectations are 6-6 then we are doomed before we even start. To quote Neal Brown, it's not ok to Lose Nobody said fire NB Where does anyone say fire Neil? Someone said let's hire Franklin as OC but that has nothing to do with Neil!
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 4, 2016 4:26:44 GMT -6
Where does anyone say fire Neil? Someone said let's hire Franklin as OC but that has nothing to do with Neil! You and negative Nancy missed the entire point of the post. I used an extreme to express the sheer overreaction of the responses. But I digress....
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 4, 2016 4:27:49 GMT -6
Take a real look at where the program is and you'll see that this season is definitely a success, the coaching staff has overall done a great job at managing the program. They are human and make mistakes, players and coaches. It is OK for us as fans to be upset about a loss like this. It's OK to question play calling and in game decisions. It doesn't mean you don't support the team/staff. It is a good sign of where the expectations have risen to in the last 9 months. We should be disappointed with today's game, and excited about where the program is headed. The fact is, we had a chance to win the conference this year. Twice really. That leaves us very disappointed but it's great to be back in the hunt. When was the last time we were this fired up for Trojan football? Been far too long! Go Trojans! This is solid !
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Post by Redwaver on Dec 4, 2016 6:59:32 GMT -6
Where does anyone say fire Neil? Someone said let's hire Franklin as OC but that has nothing to do with Neil! You and negative Nancy missed the entire point of the post. I used an extreme to express the sheer overreaction of the responses. But I digress.... I didn't miss any point because I read the post and didn't where see that even suggested so the accusation that it was was ill made no matter the intent! You called someone "negative", " over reacting? Seriously? Geez! Oh, but I digress.......!
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 4, 2016 7:48:04 GMT -6
No one said fire Neal Brown, but let's look at the post in context. CKE is our offensive coordinator, but CNB calls the plays. The post in question was in a thread entitled "Tony Franklin for Offensive Coordinator" and read "bring him in and let him run the offense". This was after multiple people had complained specifically about the play calling, which again, is done by CNB. The DIRECT result of hiring CTF to "run the offense" would be to remove the play calling duties from CNB, effectively FIRING him from from those duties. While no one has directly called for the firing of CNB, the hiring of someone else to "run the offense" in effect amounts to a firing. Not a total dismissal, but a removal of duties. Personally, I don't think that's the answer.
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Dec 4, 2016 10:02:46 GMT -6
No one said fire Neal Brown, but let's look at the post in context. CKE is our offensive coordinator, but CNB calls the plays. The post in question was in a thread entitled "Tony Franklin for Offensive Coordinator" and read "bring him in and let him run the offense". This was after multiple people had complained specifically about the play calling, which again, is done by CNB. The DIRECT result of hiring CTF to "run the offense" would be to remove the play calling duties from CNB, effectively FIRING him from from those duties. While no one has directly called for the firing of CNB, the hiring of someone else to "run the offense" in effect amounts to a firing. Not a total dismissal, but a removal of duties. Personally, I don't think that's the answer. You need to get a job on one of the major news networks where they listen or read whatever someone is saying and then tell the rest of us what that person really said. LOL
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 4, 2016 12:32:02 GMT -6
No one said fire Neal Brown, but let's look at the post in context. CKE is our offensive coordinator, but CNB calls the plays. The post in question was in a thread entitled "Tony Franklin for Offensive Coordinator" and read "bring him in and let him run the offense". This was after multiple people had complained specifically about the play calling, which again, is done by CNB. The DIRECT result of hiring CTF to "run the offense" would be to remove the play calling duties from CNB, effectively FIRING him from from those duties. While no one has directly called for the firing of CNB, the hiring of someone else to "run the offense" in effect amounts to a firing. Not a total dismissal, but a removal of duties. Personally, I don't think that's the answer. You need to get a job on one of the major news networks where they listen or read whatever someone is saying and then tell the rest of us what that person really said. LOL Nah....I don't think so. That wasn't my intent at all. However, in my job I'm acutely aware that what we say and write must be accurate and must not be ambiguous. As I read all these posts with people denying they had called for CNB's firing, I thought, yes you did, I read it. So I went back and read again those posts, only to find out that indeed, no one called for any one to be fired, unless you count the post where someone said put Silvers on the bench and let the freshman play. I thought, however, like many more posters, that people were calling for heads to roll. I guess the point of my post was to say, the perception was that folks were calling for change at the top. I was wrong about that, along with some others. Sometimes things not said make a bigger impact than what is, that's all. It was a misunderstanding. To quote a line from one of my favorite movies, The Hunt for Red October, "Wars gave begun this way, Mr. Ambassador."
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Post by patssun on Dec 4, 2016 12:50:24 GMT -6
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Post by Redwaver on Dec 4, 2016 14:48:15 GMT -6
No one said fire Neal Brown, but let's look at the post in context. CKE is our offensive coordinator, but CNB calls the plays. The post in question was in a thread entitled "Tony Franklin for Offensive Coordinator" and read "bring him in and let him run the offense". This was after multiple people had complained specifically about the play calling, which again, is done by CNB. The DIRECT result of hiring CTF to "run the offense" would be to remove the play calling duties from CNB, effectively FIRING him from from those duties. While no one has directly called for the firing of CNB, the hiring of someone else to "run the offense" in effect amounts to a firing. Not a total dismissal, but a removal of duties. Personally, I don't think that's the answer. NB is an outstanding head coach or at least to this point in his career. Trying to do that and call plays is a very very difficult task at this level. My personal opinion is the worrying about the changing game plan as the game progresses based on game trends specifically might put a load on any coaches thought process. The head coach can't take the time we are on defense to just worry about the offense, he has to be in tune and aware of the defense as well. A good OC can give 100% if his attention to his offense while we are on defense. My thought is it's asking a LOT to have one guy handling the head coaching game responsibilities and calling plays as well. As I regurgitate this season, I am VERY pleased with where we are. Our defense was fantastic most of the time. My ONLY negative observation other than two unemotional games that should have made players sky high, and it's only MY opinion, is our offense was very unimaginative. We could, at times go NASCAR and when we did it was usually very successful but that was seemingly done only when we needed a score really badly. It seemed everyone knew when Chunn was running the ball giving a great runner a tough job and our passing game seemed to never develop past bubble screens and sideline passes. Silvers needs to take the next step before next fall, he's the teams leader. It's true, a lot of Silvers passes were dropped and that must change if we are to take that next step. Where was our misdirection in the running game, fakes to Chunn and keeping the ball,etc? They were rare. If Neil could turn the offense over to an offensive genius like he has the defense to Vic, then he could concentrate on the overall picture. I just think it would make a better setup for him and the team ....but as I said, that's just my opinion and take that and a glass of water, you have nothing on your mind or nothing in your stomach. :-) Whatever happens, I REALLY look forward to next year, we ought to be a force to deal with!
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 4, 2016 14:58:19 GMT -6
No one said fire Neal Brown, but let's look at the post in context. CKE is our offensive coordinator, but CNB calls the plays. The post in question was in a thread entitled "Tony Franklin for Offensive Coordinator" and read "bring him in and let him run the offense". This was after multiple people had complained specifically about the play calling, which again, is done by CNB. The DIRECT result of hiring CTF to "run the offense" would be to remove the play calling duties from CNB, effectively FIRING him from from those duties. While no one has directly called for the firing of CNB, the hiring of someone else to "run the offense" in effect amounts to a firing. Not a total dismissal, but a removal of duties. Personally, I don't think that's the answer. NB is an outstanding head coach or at least to this point in his career. Trying to do that and call plays is a very very difficult task at this level. My personal opinion is the worrying about the changing game plan as the game progresses based on game trends specifically might put a load on any coaches thought process. The head coach can't take the time we are on defense to just worry about the offense, he has to be in tune and aware of the defense as well. A good OC can give 100% if his attention to his offense while we are on defense. My thought is it's asking a LOT to have one guy handling the head coaching game responsibilities and calling plays as well. As I regurgitate this season, I am VERY pleased with where we are. Our defense was fantastic most of the time. My ONLY negative observation other than two unemotional games that should have made players sky high, and it's only MY opinion, is our offense was very unimaginative. We could, at times go NASCAR and when we did it was usually very successful but that was seemingly done only when we needed a score really badly. It seemed everyone knew when Chunn was running the ball giving a great runner a tough job and our passing game seemed to never develop past bubble screens and sideline passes. Silvers needs to take the next step before next fall, he's the teams leader. It's true, a lot of Silvers passes were dropped and that must change if we are to take that next step. Where was our misdirection in the running game, fakes to Chunn and keeping the ball,etc? They were rare. If Neil could turn the offense over to an offensive genius like he has the defense to Vic, then he could concentrate on the overall picture. I just think it would make a better setup for him and the team ....but as I said, that's just my opinion and take that and a glass of water, you have nothing on your mind or nothing in your stomach. :-) Whatever happens, I REALLY look forward to next year, we ought to be a force to deal with! Good points.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 4, 2016 15:16:22 GMT -6
Future is bright ...next step Dollar General
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