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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Jan 25, 2016 7:59:42 GMT -6
Don't bother arguing with Hemi. We'd be best off ignoring him at this point. He apparently has no substantial answers to the issues except for "life sucks" or "life isnt fair," among other things. And in order to make himself feel good, he will post wise-guy comments and pictures. It's getting predictable at this point. He doesn't like opinions contrary to his own. Why is that Hemi? Why are you so anti about someone else's thoughts on an issue? You can be a little more level-headed about this stuff... I have no problem with opinions. Whining and crying from someone who is at least an adult in age is really sad. But you do. Thank you for proving my point in the earlier post. homershake
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Post by TrojanFanatic on Jan 25, 2016 8:34:24 GMT -6
There is just simply "more young man or lady" nowadays to give nutritional support to.That extra weight has a caloric responsibility and three squares a day most of the time doesn't cut it.Our student athletes will appreciate the "fourth square" these funds will provide Saga is open all day long as well as TC. I understand the caloric component of their diets, but eating too late is just as bad as not eating, correct? So a McDonald's run at 3:00am isn't that good of a thing for them anyway. Not that it's good for anyone else either
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Post by chasin170 on Jan 25, 2016 10:21:58 GMT -6
For the life of me I have never seen or heard of an under nourished football player that is on scholarship. If all they need is another meal, provide them with it at the school dining facility. Done. Because a $8 per diem food stipend is far cheaper and cost very little to administer.
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Jan 25, 2016 10:36:05 GMT -6
$3000 is a lot of money. Their housing, food, books, tuition, snacks, everything they need to live and go to school on is paid for. I probably don't spend $100 a week on "untethered" stuff after I take out all my living expenses. At most that's $5200 a year. $3000 for a school year is substantial. Could be payment on a good used car.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 25, 2016 15:23:41 GMT -6
Different options on the dining plan. 14 meals a week and $360 flex dollars or 75 meals a semester and $650 flex dollars. NB has harped on the nutrition part a lot. Doubtful that many of these athletes will use this money for food only and caloric intake is not a big requirement for our golf teams, volleyball, softball, baseball. And bulking up and putting on weight is not encouraged in soccer or cross country. We are spending $600,000 a year on This. Once again the NCAA has screwed up royally and opened a Pandora's box
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Jan 25, 2016 19:23:05 GMT -6
TroyStet, I am interested in what you would do if you were playing now. Imagine you are playing football now, instead of the 1980s.
If you were on this team in 2016, would you refuse your stipend? Or accept it?
Please answer honestly.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 25, 2016 21:33:25 GMT -6
TroyStet, I am interested in what you would do if you were playing now. Imagine you are playing football now, instead of the 1980s. If you were on this team in 2016, would you refuse your stipend? Or accept it? Please answer honestly. There isn't a 18-21 year old anywhere that would turn down $3,000. My 18-21 year old self would have took the money. I don't blame the athletes, I blame the NCAA for this idiotic decision that is beyond idiotic
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Post by chasin170 on Jan 26, 2016 8:02:09 GMT -6
"There isn't a 18-21 year old anywhere that would turn down $3,000."
Nor one that has mandates on who they can work for or EVERY other financial relationship....Oh wait..
Stipends help replace those unfair NCAA mandates.Fortunately now the chiasm between the basic rights and priviledges granted to every other student will not be so malaligned
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Post by Troystet on Jan 26, 2016 9:21:33 GMT -6
"There isn't a 18-21 year old anywhere that would turn down $3,000." Nor one that has mandates on who they can work for or EVERY other financial relationship....Oh wait.. Stipends help replace those unfair NCAA mandates.Fortunately now the chiasm between the basic rights and priviledges granted to every other student will not be so malaligned I can gurantee you that boosters are slipping money to players at big schools. You only hear about it when one is caught. The stipend is given in place of them getting a job?? What job? Playing sports?? That is why they are getting their entire education paid for. There are plenty of students that are working just to pay rent and loan payments. They aren't working to have money to spend how they see fit. We will have to agree to disagree on this issue.
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Post by chasin170 on Jan 26, 2016 10:05:28 GMT -6
COA is an absolute value.Calculated and known.Attempting to strawman your argument with "pissing away" and other rhetoric to project gross abundance is unsubstantiated.The FACT that opportunities to pay COA have been greatly diminished by the NCAA for athletes. Stipends help remove the burden of those mandates.
Your hurt over this,email NCAA.Don't falsely depict what students need/don't need or will spend on what,when,where.You simply can't know that.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 26, 2016 11:15:57 GMT -6
COA is an absolute value.Calculated and known.Attempting to strawman your argument with "pissing away" and other rhetoric to project gross abundance is unsubstantiated.The FACT that opportunities to pay COA have been greatly diminished by the NCAA for athletes. Stipends help remove the burden of those mandates. Your hurt over this,email NCAA.Don't falsely depict what students need/don't need or will spend on what,when,where.You simply can't know that. Giving a kid $3,000 and you think they will be responsible with it? Some may, the majority won't. They get their school paid for, even books. They graduate with zero student debt. My daughter gets the millennium scholarship. She made a 31 ACT 4.46 GPA in the IB program and is a biomedical science major. Her scholarship covers tuition, a meal plan and $1,350 a semester of room (Gardner or Hamil). It does not pay books, student fee, lab fees etc. For her to stay in Trojan Village to be safe, her fees etc still is out of pocket $2,200-$2,500 a semester plus another $400-$1,000 for books per semester. It is good for 8 semesters, summers are not covered either. She has to maintain a min GPA of 3.3 to keep it. She did band also her first two years for a big $300 scholarship in the fall. Four hour practices on Thurs, band clinics on weekends plus the games. My out of pocket with her scholarship will be over $25,000. She has had to take a summer term to graduate in 4 years that I had to pay three hours out of state tuition. She has friends working just to pay rent and groceries abs are in debt for their schooling. So an athlete can't work. They don't have debt. That is huge
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 26, 2016 12:02:07 GMT -6
The longer you take it personally, the more resentment you'll feel.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 26, 2016 12:35:49 GMT -6
The longer you take it personally, the more resentment you'll feel. The resentment will be the general student population not me.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 26, 2016 12:52:21 GMT -6
The longer you take it personally, the more resentment you'll feel. The resentment will be the general student population not me. That has yet to be seen, but on the other hand, you have.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 26, 2016 12:54:51 GMT -6
The resentment will be the general student population not me. That has yet to be seen, but on the other hand, you have. Got a student. Most students don't know, the ones that do think it's a by product that comes out of the south end of a north bound horse
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 26, 2016 12:57:44 GMT -6
That has yet to be seen, but on the other hand, you have. Got a student. Most students don't know, the ones that do think it's a by product that comes out of the south end of a north bound horse A shared sentiment, I assure you.
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Post by pctrojan16 on Feb 1, 2016 7:53:58 GMT -6
I'm not mad at athletics for doig this, however I do wish that they would allow for gear and apparel worn by athletes to be allowed to public. Also I'm worried that this stipend doesn't turn into, we want more money so we will not play until our demands are met type deal
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Feb 1, 2016 8:22:32 GMT -6
I'm not mad at athletics for doig this, however I do wish that they would allow for gear and apparel worn by athletes to be allowed to public. Also I'm worried that this stipend doesn't turn into, we want more money so we will not play until our demands are met type deal Of course it will turn into "I want more money or I won't play". Eventually lawyers, agents, and anyone else who can make some money off this will get into asking for more.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Feb 1, 2016 8:31:45 GMT -6
The Northwestern students were found not to be employees of the school so that has been asked and answered...
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Post by Redwaver on Feb 1, 2016 8:43:04 GMT -6
I'm not mad at athletics for doig this, however I do wish that they would allow for gear and apparel worn by athletes to be allowed to public. Also I'm worried that this stipend doesn't turn into, we want more money so we will not play until our demands are met type deal Of course it will turn into "I want more money or I won't play". Eventually lawyers, agents, and anyone else who can make some money off this will get into asking for more. I haven't completely made up my mind how I feel about this issue. I can see both sides and I've known athletes who didn't have a dime in their pockets to spend or the free time to work to get it even thought they were willing and I feel for them as well. They deserve the opportunity to enjoy the college experience. To compare athletes and other academic scholarshipped students is apples to oranges in a bunch of areas. You can make ridiculous comparisons between both to make any point you want. My daughter was on a Florida Scholars scholarship at FSU and her husband on a baseball scholly there. Both had to maintain a required grade level but my son in law had hours and hours of practice, travel and participation in an athletic event that brought in a lot of funds to the university. My daughter did not have to do that to get her scholarship so she had much more free time for jobs, etc.! Larger schools have been paying athletes for years. I had a friend who was one of several $10,000 per year donors to a fund at Auburn years ago that went to pay athletes. No doubt others (Power 5's) do it as well. Watched a great athlete in our town from a very poor family drive a new Pontiac Firebird from this Auburn supported years ago but it backfired, he went somewhere else. I just think it's gone on for years at many schools but it MUST be regulated to a fault! JMHO!
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Post by pctrojan16 on Feb 1, 2016 10:08:27 GMT -6
I just want to keep college football where the kids love it for the game, not the money.
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Post by Redwaver on Feb 1, 2016 14:13:12 GMT -6
I just want to keep college football where the kids love it for the game, not the money. Then that's D111!
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