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Post by Hemi Man on Jan 19, 2015 14:17:04 GMT -6
It seems somewhat hypocritical to complain about attendance when you, yourself aren't in attendance. That doesn't mean you don't a good and legitimate reason for not being there, but the fact of the matter is you aren't there. If you are that overly concerned with the attendance issue you could buy four GA tickets and give them away to someone local that can attend. I'm also confused by people calling out locals for not attending when, again you aren't there checking ID's to see where each person is from. By the way student sttendace wasn't as bad as it had been in the past. They took almost an entire section to themselves Saturday night. Hemi, not trying to stir but how do you differientiate between a "complaint" and a statement of fact? I'm glad we filled a section with students last BB game but what percentage of our main site students is that? Football games student attendances are sad! I do agree that it does no good to gripe about things you can't solve BUT you can't disparage those who's lives place them away from Troy. They are still living, devoted fans. No doubt they are devoted fans. I never questioned that, however, does a person that doesn't attend the games, for whatever reason,have the right to call out locals and others for not attending? I think not. When certain individuals continues to pound home the negativity, it becomes almost comical when you can pretty much guess their next post before its posted. Our student attendance is probably pretty close percentage wise to our conference mates, but our on campus number is not.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 19, 2015 15:18:23 GMT -6
Stating attendance numbers does not make one negative. The facts are we don't 1/4 fill our arena and some football games we barely 1/2 fill the Vet. I don't like it any more than the next guy and it makes me sadder still because I would love to be at these baseball and basketball games but geographically it is impossible. We have 7,200 students, 16,000 in the town and 36,000 in the county but we only draw 1,000-1,500 to a basketball game? Why?? We draw that to a baseball game sometimes.
I really hope the winning changes the student support. Look at women's soccer this year? We had a pact house to two games I know of. It has to be because these girls were winning because soccer..at least to me, is not exciting to watch. I hope their is a culture of change taking place at Troy because it hasn't been there before. The student supoort is hit and miss. I can remember in 1989-90 packing Sartain to standing room only for Jax St. So it can be done. Unfortunately Troy got beat bad that night and the support dropped.
I envy those of you who can go to the games. Count yourself blessed. I have had free Gator basketball and baseball tickets given to me. I gave every one away. I have no desire to watch a college team play that isn't my alma mater.
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Jan 19, 2015 15:47:36 GMT -6
The Dream is unable to attend the games this week due to work, however he donated his tickets to a worth cause...the "Put Asses in the Seats Campaign."
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 19, 2015 16:04:27 GMT -6
Hemi, not trying to stir but how do you differientiate between a "complaint" and a statement of fact? I'm glad we filled a section with students last BB game but what percentage of our main site students is that? Football games student attendances are sad! I do agree that it does no good to gripe about things you can't solve BUT you can't disparage those who's lives place them away from Troy. They are still living, devoted fans. No doubt they are devoted fans. I never questioned that, however, does a person that doesn't attend the games, for whatever reason,have the right to call out locals and others for not attending? I believe this answer is yes. When locals complain about attendance to people that live far away. There are locals on this board that will call out someone who lives in Atlanta for not showing up but will not call out his buddy that lives 5 minutes away from the stadium. All Fans at all programs talk about their programs in multiple viewpoints. Heck, if nobody wanted to talk about their programs, boards like this wouldn't exist.
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 19, 2015 16:11:46 GMT -6
Stating attendance numbers does not make one negative. The facts are we don't 1/4 fill our arena and some football games we barely 1/2 fill the Vet. I don't like it any more than the next guy and it makes me sadder still because I would love to be at these baseball and basketball games but geographically it is impossible. We have 7,200 students, 16,000 in the town and 36,000 in the county but we only draw 1,000-1,500 to a basketball game? Why?? We draw that to a baseball game sometimes. I really hope the winning changes the student support. Look at women's soccer this year? We had a pact house to two games I know of. It has to be because these girls were winning because soccer..at least to me, is not exciting to watch. I hope their is a culture of change taking place at Troy because it hasn't been there before. The student supoort is hit and miss. I can remember in 1989-90 packing Sartain to standing room only for Jax St. So it can be done. Unfortunately Troy got beat bad that night and the support dropped. I envy those of you who can go to the games. Count yourself blessed. I have had free Gator basketball and baseball tickets given to me. I gave every one away. I have no desire to watch a college team play that isn't my alma mater. Listen, the "high and mighty" City of Troy elite are not going to support Trojans en mass. They are Bama and Barn. The county folk are still in the middle of deer season and don't like the round ball anyway. Also Pike County as a whole is poor. Look at the median income. Spending $$$ on tickets and snacks just aren't in their budget. Plus the county is small population wise. Filling that first class arena up is a pipe dream. It looks good for recruits though. If we win championships getting 3 to 5 k is possible.
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Post by Redwaver on Jan 19, 2015 18:40:19 GMT -6
Hemi, not trying to stir but how do you differientiate between a "complaint" and a statement of fact? I'm glad we filled a section with students last BB game but what percentage of our main site students is that? Football games student attendances are sad! I do agree that it does no good to gripe about things you can't solve BUT you can't disparage those who's lives place them away from Troy. They are still living, devoted fans. No doubt they are devoted fans. I never questioned that, however, does a person that doesn't attend the games, for whatever reason,have the right to call out locals and others for not attending? I think not. When certain individuals continues to pound home the negativity, it becomes almost comical when you can pretty much guess their next post before its posted. Our student attendance is probably pretty close percentage wise to our conference mates, but our on campus number is not. You and I have no disagreement that making efforts to say positive things are most enjoyable to read and we agree that constant "glass half empty" stuff is painful. I also agree with you that getting on a keyboard and "calling out" anyone for anything is, if not hallarious, sad! I would hate to think that on this site if I saw something that concerned me or I thought might be a mistake and I saw it on TV from my home that since I'm not in attendance at our game I shouldn't comment. I've often thought how nice it would be to live in Troy so I could follow my Trojans more closely. Even mentioned it to the missus......well, I'll just say we tabled the idea for a while. Those who live that close and hsve the opportunity to attend every game may not realize how fortunate you are in that respect. Many of us deal with severe medical issues in our families that prohibit being away as often as we wish or might could otherwise. Folks don't need to know those things accept for the fact that not everyone's life worked out to be the ultimate donor or fan in attendance but nothing can keep us from bring the biggest Trojan fan threr is in heart and spirit! If often from afar!
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Post by cornhole on Jan 19, 2015 22:40:18 GMT -6
Funny thing is I know several people on this board that talk about attendance that live in Troy and don't even go to the games. Why we constantly cut on each other is a wonderment. Peace. It's called cliques. When you aren't in the Troy clique you are fair game. sFun_DeadHorse
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Post by Hemi Man on Jan 19, 2015 22:49:14 GMT -6
No doubt they are devoted fans. I never questioned that, however, does a person that doesn't attend the games, for whatever reason,have the right to call out locals and others for not attending? I think not. When certain individuals continues to pound home the negativity, it becomes almost comical when you can pretty much guess their next post before its posted. Our student attendance is probably pretty close percentage wise to our conference mates, but our on campus number is not. You and I have no disagreement that making efforts to say positive things are most enjoyable to read and we agree that constant "glass half empty" stuff is painful. I also agree with you that getting on a keyboard and "calling out" anyone for anything is, if not hallarious, sad! I would hate to think that on this site if I saw something that concerned me or I thought might be a mistake and I saw it on TV from my home that since I'm not in attendance at our game I shouldn't comment. I've often thought how nice it would be to live in Troy so I could follow my Trojans more closely. Even mentioned it to the missus......well, I'll just say we tabled the idea for a while. Those who live that close and hsve the opportunity to attend every game may not realize how fortunate you are in that respect. Many of us deal with severe medical issues in our families that prohibit being away as often as we wish or might could otherwise. Folks don't need to know those things accept for the fact that not everyone's life worked out to be the ultimate donor or fan in attendance but nothing can keep us from bring the biggest Trojan fan threr is in heart and spirit! If often from afar! The only disagreement you would get from me is if you came on here and told me how the locals didn't show up at the Troy game you saw on TV. How would you be able to determine that from your TV? Just to make you feel better I live 45 minutes from Troy and have to be at work no later than 4:30 am Monday through Friday. I also care for a sick relative who can't drive at all.
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Post by cornhole on Jan 19, 2015 22:53:38 GMT -6
I envy those of you who can go to the games. Count yourself blessed. I have had free Gator basketball and baseball tickets given to me. I gave every one away. I have no desire to watch a college team play that isn't my alma mater.*If those in attendance felt the same as you *, I assure you the attendance would be 25% less than present. And you want all the locals, a great majority who never attended Troy to attend YOUR Alma Mater's game??? Troy University is a large part of MY community, I will attend and BE Counted even tho' I never stepped foot in a classroom there.
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 20, 2015 5:51:00 GMT -6
I envy those of you who can go to the games. Count yourself blessed. I have had free Gator basketball and baseball tickets given to me. I gave every one away. I have no desire to watch a college team play that isn't my alma mater.*If those in attendance felt the same as you *, I assure you the attendance would be 25% less than present. And you want all the locals, a great majority who never attended Troy to attend YOUR Alma Mater's game??? Troy University is a large part of MY community, I will attend and BE Counted even tho' I never stepped foot in a classroom there. I just wish the local community really supported the sports program. It's a smaller percentage of dedicated locals that support.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 20, 2015 6:57:21 GMT -6
If those in attendance felt the same as you *, I assure you the attendance would be 25% less than present. And you want all the locals, a great majority who never attended Troy to attend YOUR Alma Mater's game??? Troy University is a large part of MY community, I will attend and BE Counted even tho' I never stepped foot in a classroom there. I just wish the local community really supported the sports program. It's a smaller percentage of dedicated locals that support. Different scenario. I attended Troy so I have no allegiance to another school. Now if I hadn't went to college and had That school pay for my education, I would make the 40 minute drive to UF and watch the Gators.
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Post by Redwaver on Jan 20, 2015 7:05:44 GMT -6
You and I have no disagreement that making efforts to say positive things are most enjoyable to read and we agree that constant "glass half empty" stuff is painful. I also agree with you that getting on a keyboard and "calling out" anyone for anything is, if not hallarious, sad! I would hate to think that on this site if I saw something that concerned me or I thought might be a mistake and I saw it on TV from my home that since I'm not in attendance at our game I shouldn't comment. I've often thought how nice it would be to live in Troy so I could follow my Trojans more closely. Even mentioned it to the missus......well, I'll just say we tabled the idea for a while. Those who live that close and hsve the opportunity to attend every game may not realize how fortunate you are in that respect. Many of us deal with severe medical issues in our families that prohibit being away as often as we wish or might could otherwise. Folks don't need to know those things accept for the fact that not everyone's life worked out to be the ultimate donor or fan in attendance but nothing can keep us from bring the biggest Trojan fan threr is in heart and spirit! If often from afar! The only disagreement you would get from me is if you came on here and told me how the locals didn't show up at the Troy game you saw on TV. How would you be able to determine that from your TV? Just to make you feel better I live 45 minutes from Troy and have to be at work no later than 4:30 am Monday through Friday. I also care for a sick relative who can't drive at all. None of my comments were aimed at you. I don't know your life's situation nor you ours so it's irrevelent. You are a dedicated TROJAN and nobody denies that but given that, everyone can't do the same attendance wise. My main feelings about attendance is with students. I remember that when I played it was the same. Kids that were there....on campus.....admission free or nearly so often chose not to attend! Oh, win a championship or the like and they come more often but that's not when they are needed most. Even then, they get up and leave at halftime. Just MY opinion.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 20, 2015 7:18:06 GMT -6
Been to two Impacts at Troy and athletics is barely mentioned. They go over a calendar that lists the football games but that's about it. No Trojan warrior display no student speaking about athletics. When we went to the UCF transfer orientation they put on a big presentation on athletics. They had two students talk about the student program and lead to a group of probably 2000 people in the UCF cheers and what was expected of them at games. That is what they need to do at Troy's impact orientation. Let the students know before they said foot on campus what is expected
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Post by Hemi Man on Jan 20, 2015 7:44:00 GMT -6
The only disagreement you would get from me is if you came on here and told me how the locals didn't show up at the Troy game you saw on TV. How would you be able to determine that from your TV? Just to make you feel better I live 45 minutes from Troy and have to be at work no later than 4:30 am Monday through Friday. I also care for a sick relative who can't drive at all. None of my comments were aimed at you. I don't know your life's situation nor you ours so it's irrevelent. You are a dedicated TROJAN and nobody denies that but given that, everyone can't do the same attendance wise. My main feelings about attendance is with students. I remember that when I played it was the same. Kids that were there....on campus.....admission free or nearly so often chose not to attend! Oh, win a championship or the like and they come more often but that's not when they are needed most. Even then, they get up and leave at halftime. Just MY opinion. I will just say this. If you've been to one maybe two games at Trojan Arena in three years should you really be complaining about attendance? As to your concern with students, I feel it's slowly improving.
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Post by Redwaver on Jan 20, 2015 7:44:48 GMT -6
Been to two Impacts at Troy and athletics is barely mentioned. They go over a calendar that lists the football games but that's about it. No Trojan warrior display no student speaking about athletics. When we went to the UCF transfer orientation they put on a big presentation on athletics. They had two students talk about the student program and lead to a group of probably 2000 people in the UCF cheers and what was expected of them at games. That is what they need to do at Troy's impact orientation. Let the students know before they said foot on campus what is expected Yep, this is EXACTALLY what John H. has to change. Students have to be made aware of the importance of their attendance at athletic events. Sororities and Fraternaties need to come on board as well. It's truly a team effort. It should be a huge part of their college experience.
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Post by Redwaver on Jan 20, 2015 8:07:10 GMT -6
None of my comments were aimed at you. I don't know your life's situation nor you ours so it's irrevelent. You are a dedicated TROJAN and nobody denies that but given that, everyone can't do the same attendance wise. My main feelings about attendance is with students. I remember that when I played it was the same. Kids that were there....on campus.....admission free or nearly so often chose not to attend! Oh, win a championship or the like and they come more often but that's not when they are needed most. Even then, they get up and leave at halftime. Just MY opinion. I will just say this. If you've been to one maybe two games at Trojan Arena in three years should you really be complaining about attendance? As to your concern with students, I feel it's slowly improving. Don't know if you have me in mind or others with that statistic but this is really no one business but so you can appreciate others life situations, I'll share just one. I have a SEVERELY handicapped son who lives with us and his severity can cause ongoing uncontrollable issues at home and I am the only child left to care for a 95 year old mother that lives alone snd often needs care....immediately. I arrange to get away to games in the fall but otherwise its tough. I make a game or two during Basketball season as well as Baseball. That's what I can do! Now I don't really worry one iota nor do I care a lot about who does and don't understand that. That's just the life we were dealt and the world my wife and I live in. I try not to complain about attendance other than students. They sre right there....daily!! It may be an observation in general but for anyone to imply that if I get to watch my team on TV and see a sparse crowd I have no right to discuss it here because I'm not in attendance is obsured. I will agree that it's rediculous to continue to harp on the same issues negative or otherwise. Make your point and let it go. My thoughts are ALL OF US ARE TRUE TROJAN FANS. As fans we need to evaluate what we post and in what context and as other fans, we should read them with open minds and thoughtfulness.JMHO!
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Post by cornhole on Jan 20, 2015 8:11:08 GMT -6
If those in attendance felt the same as you *, I assure you the attendance would be 25% less than present. And you want all the locals, a great majority who never attended Troy to attend YOUR Alma Mater's game??? Troy University is a large part of MY community, I will attend and BE Counted even tho' I never stepped foot in a classroom there. I just wish the local community really supported the sports program. It's a smaller percentage of dedicated locals that support. Ditto. AND, I'm just amazed at the low % participation/interest from Troy Alums who live within 1 hour of Troy. There are many dedicated local ALums who DO show up and support, but as a % of those within 1 hour it is pathetic.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jan 20, 2015 8:20:16 GMT -6
I will just say this. If you've been to one maybe two games at Trojan Arena in three years should you really be complaining about attendance? As to your concern with students, I feel it's slowly improving. Don't know if you have me in mind or others with that statistic but this is really no one business but so you can appreciate others life situations, I'll share just one. I have a SEVERELY handicapped son who lives with us and his severity can cause ongoing uncontrollable issues at home and I am the only child left to care for a 95 year old mother that lives alone snd often needs care....immediately. I arrange to get away to games in the fall but otherwise its tough. I make a game or two during Basketball season as well as Baseball. That's what I can do! Now I don't really worry one iota nor do I care a lot about who does and don't understand that. That's just the life we were dealt and the world my wife and I live in. I try not to complain about attendance other than students. They sre right there....daily!! It may be an observation in general but for anyone to imply that if I get to watch my team on TV and see a sparse crowd I have no right to discuss it here because I'm not in attendance is obsured. I will agree that it's rediculous to continue to harp on the same issues negative or otherwise. Make your point and let it go. My thoughts are ALL OF US ARE TRUE TROJAN FANS. As fans we need to evaluate what we post and in what context and as other fans, we should read them with open minds and thoughtfulness.JMHO! Not directed at anyone person. Not directed at you at all. I've never noticed you complaining about attendance. When you mentioned the student attendance i thought it was necessary to point out its improving. No disrespect to you or anyone else, but someone constantly complaning about attendance while never attending is a hypocrite regardless of why they aren't attending.
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Post by crowhilltrojan on Jan 20, 2015 20:39:51 GMT -6
I'm an alum. So is my wife. About 3 years ago we moved from North of Atlanta where we lived and worked for many years. My wife and I each work from home. Leaving Atlanta, we quite literally could have moved anywhere we wanted as long as reliable phone and Internet were available. After looking at many, many houses in more than a few cities or towns, we ultimately landed in Troy. I'm less than a mile from all the Troy Athletics facilities. I pay to support the school and athletics as much as I can. I bought season tix for football which cost more than a pretty penny for what I got. That's ok, my lights will stay on and I won't worry about food tomorrow. I do what I can. I'll go to all football games and many baseball games. But quite frankly, I just don't care for basketball and can't stand soccer. That's just me. So I won't be there for those. It's possible I'll hit The Arena for a game IF I have nothing else going on. But that's it, I will be far from a regular there.
Am I in a Troy clique? Am I a fair weather or casual fan? Am I a better fan than you? Feel free to make whatever judgments you'd like on me, I'll go to sleep just fine either way. I do what I can and attend what I enjoy.
That's how this Trojan rolls.
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Post by Possum on Jan 20, 2015 22:36:33 GMT -6
My .02... Take it for what its worth.
We are too small of a fan base to be alienating fans and making them feel unwelcomed...
We need to unite and be one strong army and not be separated into cliques.
There is strength in numbers.
I invite any and all trojans to tailgate/ sit with me at any/all sporting events I attend.
We are TROJANS one and All
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Post by Redwaver on Jan 21, 2015 13:17:07 GMT -6
Don't know if you have me in mind or others with that statistic but this is really no one business but so you can appreciate others life situations, I'll share just one. I have a SEVERELY handicapped son who lives with us and his severity can cause ongoing uncontrollable issues at home and I am the only child left to care for a 95 year old mother that lives alone snd often needs care....immediately. I arrange to get away to games in the fall but otherwise its tough. I make a game or two during Basketball season as well as Baseball. That's what I can do! Now I don't really worry one iota nor do I care a lot about who does and don't understand that. That's just the life we were dealt and the world my wife and I live in. I try not to complain about attendance other than students. They sre right there....daily!! It may be an observation in general but for anyone to imply that if I get to watch my team on TV and see a sparse crowd I have no right to discuss it here because I'm not in attendance is obsured. I will agree that it's rediculous to continue to harp on the same issues negative or otherwise. Make your point and let it go. My thoughts are ALL OF US ARE TRUE TROJAN FANS. As fans we need to evaluate what we post and in what context and as other fans, we should read them with open minds and thoughtfulness.JMHO! Not directed at anyone person. Not directed at you at all. I've never noticed you complaining about attendance. When you mentioned the student attendance i thought it was necessary to point out its improving. No disrespect to you or anyone else, but someone constantly complaning about attendance while never attending is a hypocrite regardless of why they aren't attending. No problem! We're good! I deal with enough negative so I tend to enjoy the upbeat positive observations a lot more. I've been around athletics all my life one way or the other and attendance Characteristics seldome change. They come when you win and they don't when you lose!
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Jan 22, 2015 13:41:52 GMT -6
Not directed at anyone person. Not directed at you at all. I've never noticed you complaining about attendance. When you mentioned the student attendance i thought it was necessary to point out its improving. No disrespect to you or anyone else, but someone constantly complaning about attendance while never attending is a hypocrite regardless of why they aren't attending. No problem! We're good! I deal with enough negative so I tend to enjoy the upbeat positive observations a lot more. I've been around athletics all my life one way or the other and attendance Characteristics seldome change. They come when you win and they don't when you lose! And that's all there is to say about that!!
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2015 14:10:18 GMT -6
No problem! We're good! I deal with enough negative so I tend to enjoy the upbeat positive observations a lot more. I've been around athletics all my life one way or the other and attendance Characteristics seldome change. They come when you win and they don't when you lose! And that's all there is to say about that!! Moderator please remove this as it was said by a Bamer player originally LOL
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Post by Redwaver on Jan 22, 2015 15:27:17 GMT -6
Don't know if you have me in mind or others with that statistic but this is really no one business but so you can appreciate others life situations, I'll share just one. I have a SEVERELY handicapped son who lives with us and his severity can cause ongoing uncontrollable issues at home and I am the only child left to care for a 95 year old mother that lives alone snd often needs care....immediately. I arrange to get away to games in the fall but otherwise its tough. I make a game or two during Basketball season as well as Baseball. That's what I can do! Now I don't really worry one iota nor do I care a lot about who does and don't understand that. That's just the life we were dealt and the world my wife and I live in. I try not to complain about attendance other than students. They sre right there....daily!! It may be an observation in general but for anyone to imply that if I get to watch my team on TV and see a sparse crowd I have no right to discuss it here because I'm not in attendance is obsured. I will agree that it's rediculous to continue to harp on the same issues negative or otherwise. Make your point and let it go. My thoughts are ALL OF US ARE TRUE TROJAN FANS. As fans we need to evaluate what we post and in what context and as other fans, we should read them with open minds and thoughtfulness.JMHO! Not directed at anyone person. Not directed at you at all. I've never noticed you complaining about attendance. When you mentioned the student attendance i thought it was necessary to point out its improving. No disrespect to you or anyone else, but someone constantly complaning about attendance while never attending is a hypocrite regardless of why they aren't attending. This is true! My frustration is the responses I get trying to get alums go simply support THEIR school over the "big boys"! One said " I will when Ttoy plays real football"......of course he never put on a jock In his life!
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Post by Redwaver on Jan 22, 2015 15:29:00 GMT -6
No problem! We're good! I deal with enough negative so I tend to enjoy the upbeat positive observations a lot more. I've been around athletics all my life one way or the other and attendance Characteristics seldome change. They come when you win and they don't when you lose! And that's all there is to say about that!! And that's all there is to say about that!! Moderator please remove this as it was said by a Bamer player originally LOL Huh?
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