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Post by scatman on Dec 6, 2014 0:10:07 GMT -6
[ Are you referring to JR.? I have a dear friend that is a long time donor at UA and he spares no feelings about shutting them down. Alabama alumni doesn't want UA funds going to support other schools athletic programs. It's sad UAB can't cut that umbilical cord but then it's not about athletics..,,unless you are a UA supporter. Oh, I completely see the business side. I wonder if UA will shut fown their track program, tennis programs, all ladies sports and any other UA athletic programs that drain from that same UA checking account? If they are going to shut down football at UAB then I could understand it more if they told UAB that they are part of UA family therefore there will be no sports programs financed outside Tuscaloosa. You support us. Cutting UAB football is a drop in the bucket as far as UAB's athletic subsidy goes. The subsidy will still be the same or higher next year with no football. And UA certainly doesn't pay for UAB's athletic programs. That's pretty much a joke. The problem is, UA fans think they "own" UAB. It's like some sort of weird slave relationship. Here's something I quote from someone on Facebook: -- UAB cut football and two other sports but is cutting no expenses. Really. It is adding men's track too. Cutting football will result in no savings of expenses. -- UAB will pay out about $2.5 million in cancelled game contracts and more than a million more in coaches' salaries. -- UAB will have to honor the scholarships of athletes who do not land elsewhere. -- UAB will lose affiliation with Conference USA which is a far more lucrative conference than the regional alternatives UAB will have to seek. -- UAB likely will have to pay millions in entrance fees for a new conference. -- UAB will lose significant valuable media exposure both in terms of game coverage, mentions in newspapers, magazines, websites, social media and in actual commercials that air during game broadcasts. It is difficult to quantify the exact value on that but most FBS schools project it as being worth 10s of millions if you had to buy that time or space each year. -- UAB becomes a non-entity in these venues until November each year, limiting exposure to alumni and current and future students. -- UAB's opportunities to make NCAA Tournament as at at-large team in basketball are at best going to stay same and probably will get worse. -- The report estimated a drop in 15-20 percent of donations. I expect it will be worse than that and probably will be extremely bad across non-sports giving. -- UAB rejected offers of millions in fundraising for football and refused to hear plans from city, county and corporate leaders on possibly public/private partnerships. -- The BOT rejected without even hearing a stadium proposal that might have addressed facilities concerns cited as reasoning and refused to explore any options -- or even discuss -- ways outside funds could be solicited. -- UAB is losing the single biggest outreach it has to raise awareness for its academic programs, keep alums connected to the school and the community aware and engaged in the university. -- UAB now gets the asterisk of being the first university to drop FBS football since 1995 and this upheaval is certain to have a ripple effect that is immensely damaging to its reputation. It will hurt recruiting and image across the board -- academics too -- and cements the perception that UAB will never be allowed to truly control it's affairs and destiny. It's a terrible situation but what was turnout for football? I believe all of that is true, just wondering the actual number.
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Post by Redwaver on Dec 6, 2014 8:26:08 GMT -6
Cutting UAB football is a drop in the bucket as far as UAB's athletic subsidy goes. The subsidy will still be the same or higher next year with no football. And UA certainly doesn't pay for UAB's athletic programs. That's pretty much a joke. The problem is, UA fans think they "own" UAB. It's like some sort of weird slave relationship. Here's something I quote from someone on Facebook: -- UAB cut football and two other sports but is cutting no expenses. Really. It is adding men's track too. Cutting football will result in no savings of expenses. -- UAB will pay out about $2.5 million in cancelled game contracts and more than a million more in coaches' salaries. -- UAB will have to honor the scholarships of athletes who do not land elsewhere. -- UAB will lose affiliation with Conference USA which is a far more lucrative conference than the regional alternatives UAB will have to seek. -- UAB likely will have to pay millions in entrance fees for a new conference. -- UAB will lose significant valuable media exposure both in terms of game coverage, mentions in newspapers, magazines, websites, social media and in actual commercials that air during game broadcasts. It is difficult to quantify the exact value on that but most FBS schools project it as being worth 10s of millions if you had to buy that time or space each year. -- UAB becomes a non-entity in these venues until November each year, limiting exposure to alumni and current and future students. -- UAB's opportunities to make NCAA Tournament as at at-large team in basketball are at best going to stay same and probably will get worse. -- The report estimated a drop in 15-20 percent of donations. I expect it will be worse than that and probably will be extremely bad across non-sports giving. -- UAB rejected offers of millions in fundraising for football and refused to hear plans from city, county and corporate leaders on possibly public/private partnerships. -- The BOT rejected without even hearing a stadium proposal that might have addressed facilities concerns cited as reasoning and refused to explore any options -- or even discuss -- ways outside funds could be solicited. -- UAB is losing the single biggest outreach it has to raise awareness for its academic programs, keep alums connected to the school and the community aware and engaged in the university. -- UAB now gets the asterisk of being the first university to drop FBS football since 1995 and this upheaval is certain to have a ripple effect that is immensely damaging to its reputation. It will hurt recruiting and image across the board -- academics too -- and cements the perception that UAB will never be allowed to truly control it's affairs and destiny. It's a terrible situation but what was turnout for football? I believe all of that is true, just wondering the actual number. I suspect this action goes well beyond dollars and cents but I'm not nearly close enough to anyone who could expound! I keep hearing Jr.'s name and his determination but don't know it's/his basis. I feel bad for all the UAB faithful some of which are family but I sure enjoyed the years we beat them!
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Post by Mr E 205 Legion on Dec 6, 2014 8:41:09 GMT -6
It's a terrible situation but what was turnout for football? I believe all of that is true, just wondering the actual number. I suspect this action goes well beyond dollars and cents but I'm not nearly close enough to anyone who could expound! I keep hearing Jr.'s name and his determination but don't know it's/his basis. I feel bad for all the UAB faithful some of which are family but I sure enjoyed the years we beat them! Personal opinion - here is the origin: link
Gene Bartow left UCLA to go to UAB and establish a basketball program. Early recruiting frustration led to letters to the NCAA. Y'all can figure out the rest
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Post by shrack on Dec 6, 2014 14:00:39 GMT -6
Cutting UAB football is a drop in the bucket as far as UAB's athletic subsidy goes. The subsidy will still be the same or higher next year with no football. And UA certainly doesn't pay for UAB's athletic programs. That's pretty much a joke. The problem is, UA fans think they "own" UAB. It's like some sort of weird slave relationship. Here's something I quote from someone on Facebook: -- UAB cut football and two other sports but is cutting no expenses. Really. It is adding men's track too. Cutting football will result in no savings of expenses. -- UAB will pay out about $2.5 million in cancelled game contracts and more than a million more in coaches' salaries. -- UAB will have to honor the scholarships of athletes who do not land elsewhere. -- UAB will lose affiliation with Conference USA which is a far more lucrative conference than the regional alternatives UAB will have to seek. -- UAB likely will have to pay millions in entrance fees for a new conference. -- UAB will lose significant valuable media exposure both in terms of game coverage, mentions in newspapers, magazines, websites, social media and in actual commercials that air during game broadcasts. It is difficult to quantify the exact value on that but most FBS schools project it as being worth 10s of millions if you had to buy that time or space each year. -- UAB becomes a non-entity in these venues until November each year, limiting exposure to alumni and current and future students. -- UAB's opportunities to make NCAA Tournament as at at-large team in basketball are at best going to stay same and probably will get worse. -- The report estimated a drop in 15-20 percent of donations. I expect it will be worse than that and probably will be extremely bad across non-sports giving. -- UAB rejected offers of millions in fundraising for football and refused to hear plans from city, county and corporate leaders on possibly public/private partnerships. -- The BOT rejected without even hearing a stadium proposal that might have addressed facilities concerns cited as reasoning and refused to explore any options -- or even discuss -- ways outside funds could be solicited. -- UAB is losing the single biggest outreach it has to raise awareness for its academic programs, keep alums connected to the school and the community aware and engaged in the university. -- UAB now gets the asterisk of being the first university to drop FBS football since 1995 and this upheaval is certain to have a ripple effect that is immensely damaging to its reputation. It will hurt recruiting and image across the board -- academics too -- and cements the perception that UAB will never be allowed to truly control it's affairs and destiny. It's a terrible situation but what was turnout for football? I believe all of that is true, just wondering the actual number. 21,800 average this year.
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Post by scatman on Dec 6, 2014 14:57:22 GMT -6
It's a terrible situation but what was turnout for football? I believe all of that is true, just wondering the actual number. 21,800 average this year. sad to see it go since that seems positive over years past. Hate to see all of the students that only care about it now that it's gone. I guess people just like to protest things.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 6, 2014 23:24:14 GMT -6
28 responses in the football forum in less than 24 hours, Moved to general conversation.... go figure. This troyfans.com just ain't the same...
bye
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Post by shrack on Dec 7, 2014 20:17:25 GMT -6
21,800 average this year. sad to see it go since that seems positive over years past. Hate to see all of the students that only care about it now that it's gone. I guess people just like to protest things. You really can't blame the students. UAB has the worst facilities in D1 FBS college football and have never had a facility upgrade approved since it's inception. Facility upgrades, many coaching hires, etc have always been blocked. It was reported that earlier this year, Buffalo Rock gave the athletic department 1 million to use for whatever it wanted. The AD tried to use it for the football program and got rejected. Multiple donors have already come out after this thing blew up as never being spoken to, or having their donation rejected. Any real University President who supported their school's athletics would've been chomping at the bit to get donations of millions of dollars. UAB football shutting down would have been okay with the general public if there was any transparency in the decision and if there had been actual empirical data backing the decision, which there was not. The fact that the President made no attempt to save it, kept absolutely everyone in the dark (including all faculty), and rejected donors (and completely severed prominent donor relationships) pretty much tells me all I need to know. Impossible to grow a football program or a real fanbase under a board who doesn't want you to exist. I've never heard of a business getting a bunch of customers and succeeding when the business owner is trying to sabotage it.
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Post by trolljan on Dec 8, 2014 6:55:28 GMT -6
28 responses in the football forum in less than 24 hours, Moved to general conversation.... go figure. This troyfans.com just ain't the same... bye The resident board Nazi is alive and well. Some people just have nothing better to do with their time I suppose.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 8, 2014 20:21:01 GMT -6
28 responses in the football forum in less than 24 hours, Moved to general conversation.... go figure. This troyfans.com just ain't the same... bye The resident board Nazi is alive and well. Some people just have nothing better to do with their time I suppose. Hmm, Kinda thinking that meself!!! I was thinking Herr Gestapo!!
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Post by trolljan on Dec 9, 2014 7:17:56 GMT -6
The resident board Nazi is alive and well. Some people just have nothing better to do with their time I suppose. Hmm, Kinda thinking that meself!!! I was thinking Herr Gestapo!! Little man gets some "internet authority" guess he's gotta sling it around now and then.
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Dec 9, 2014 10:48:20 GMT -6
Guessing that this thread was not discussing Troy FOOTBALL is the reason for the move, just saying...
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Post by doug4troy on Dec 9, 2014 11:12:13 GMT -6
28 responses in the football forum in less than 24 hours, Moved to general conversation.... go figure. This troyfans.com just ain't the same... bye Some people just have nothing better to do with their time I suppose. That would include everyone reading a message board as well. Don't get bent out of shape, he's just keeping things organized.
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Post by trolljan on Dec 9, 2014 11:22:55 GMT -6
Some people just have nothing better to do with their time I suppose. That would include everyone reading a message board as well. Don't get bent out of shape, he's just keeping things organized. I'll get bent out of shape about any damn thing I want to. You aren't boss of me or my thoughts... Unless you're that worthless president of ours. In which case you may be the thought police.
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Post by trolljan on Dec 9, 2014 11:24:09 GMT -6
Guessing that this thread was not discussing Troy FOOTBALL is the reason for the move, just saying... Like Navarre and Shalimar are the same place? Shall change your name to properly reflect your location? just sayin.
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Post by doug4troy on Dec 9, 2014 11:31:51 GMT -6
That would include everyone reading a message board as well. Don't get bent out of shape, he's just keeping things organized. I'll get bent out of shape about any damn thing I want to. You aren't boss of me or my thoughts... Unless you're that worthless president of ours. In which case you may be the thought police. You seem to be wound a little tight today. It's true that you can get bent out of shape and vent, but I can also discourage you from taking a message board, or the moving of a thread, too seriously. Take a few deep breaths and enjoy life!
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Post by trolljan on Dec 9, 2014 12:37:29 GMT -6
I'll get bent out of shape about any damn thing I want to. You aren't boss of me or my thoughts... Unless you're that worthless president of ours. In which case you may be the thought police. You seem to be wound a little tight today. It's true that you can get bent out of shape and vent, but I can also discourage you from taking a message board, or the moving of a thread, too seriously. Take a few deep breaths and enjoy life! AGAIN, quit telling me how to live my life, Dear Obama.
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Post by doug4troy on Dec 9, 2014 12:55:18 GMT -6
You seem to be wound a little tight today. It's true that you can get bent out of shape and vent, but I can also discourage you from taking a message board, or the moving of a thread, too seriously. Take a few deep breaths and enjoy life! AGAIN, quit telling me how to live my life, Dear Obama. Wow. Cheers partner...
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Post by shrack on Dec 9, 2014 12:58:19 GMT -6
Here's what happened at the UAB Faculty Senate Meeting today:
- (most important) UAB Faculty Athletic Rep was misled on intention of Carr Report. Said he fully supported football and was shut out of decision making process. He says the FAR is supposed to be included in athletics strategy. He told Watts on many occasions that football was moving in the right direction under head coach Bill Clark. When he asked the AD about the Carr report at the USM game, AD Mackin said "he had done all he could do" and would not elaborate. Athletic Rep didn't learn about decision until everyone else did when they were announced. UAB FAR basically infers the Carr report was meant to kill football and he is absolutely livid about it.
- Faculty report that President Watts told them the decision to end football was never going to be put up to a vote. He is now trying to make amends by having "shared governance" for athletics.
- Past Pres. of national alumni association doesn't support the decision.
- NAS Board Member: The President did not answer our questions.
- UAB students and alumni spoke out, none in favor of the decision to cut football. Many get standing ovations.
- Faculty comments:
Microbio prof: football team needs to be reinstated. Decision was wrong. Says the Carr report was about eliminating football and makes no sense. Says there was no shared governance before because Watts had no desire to have any.
Foreign Language prof: Talks about secret decisions and irresponsible decision making.
Public health prof: Says the undergraduates have spirit and we need to listen to them.
Another prof: The process was failed shared governance.
Another prof: It was evident in meeting yesterday that the President's idea of shared governance does not align. Trust is lost.
Another prof: This is not a for-profit institution and we should have a voice. No one had a voice. Needs to never happen again.
Faculty Senate motioned to entertain 2 proposals to be voted on in January:
1.) Support for UAB Athletics and a transparent reassessment of UAB athletic programs.
2.) No Confidence in President Watts
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Post by crowhilltrojan on Dec 9, 2014 14:27:36 GMT -6
I think trolljan has yet to get over all the perceived slights against her in favor of Marcia. Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!
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Post by doug4troy on Dec 9, 2014 14:30:25 GMT -6
I think trolljan has yet to get over all the perceived slights against her in favor of Marcia. Marcia, Marcia, Marcia! Apparently, there are several things trolljan has not gotten over.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 9, 2014 14:34:45 GMT -6
That would include everyone reading a message board as well. Don't get bent out of shape, he's just keeping things organized. I'll get bent out of shape about any damn thing I want to. You aren't boss of me or my thoughts... Unless you're that worthless president of ours. In which case you may be the thought police. You should drink beer. Beer will make you happy. Happy people on the Internet are fun people. Fun people are entertaining.
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Post by trolljan on Dec 9, 2014 18:21:40 GMT -6
I'll get bent out of shape about any damn thing I want to. You aren't boss of me or my thoughts... Unless you're that worthless president of ours. In which case you may be the thought police. You should drink beer. Beer will make you happy. Happy people on the Internet are fun people. Fun people are entertaining. Fun people worry about themselves and their own meaningless lives. Also, I'm a recovering alcoholic. Booze damn near ruined life. Thanks for your support.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 9, 2014 18:33:35 GMT -6
You should drink beer. Beer will make you happy. Happy people on the Internet are fun people. Fun people are entertaining. Fun people worry about themselves and their own meaningless lives. Also, I'm a recovering alcoholic. Booze damn near ruined life. Thanks for your support. Fun people, actually just poke fun at angry Internet people. I'm not supporting you. I wasn't going to buy it for you. Oh you're welcome anyway, though.
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Post by crowhilltrojan on Dec 9, 2014 18:43:16 GMT -6
Sorry, must've missed in your signature about the AA membership. Congratulations anyway. Regardless, you should lighten up a bit.
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Post by trolljan on Dec 9, 2014 18:59:35 GMT -6
Fun people worry about themselves and their own meaningless lives. Also, I'm a recovering alcoholic. Booze damn near ruined life. Thanks for your support. Fun people, actually just poke fun at angry Internet people. I'm not supporting you. I wasn't going to buy it for you. Oh you're welcome anyway, though. Maybe you should just stick what you know, nothing.
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