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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 24, 2014 20:16:57 GMT -6
I liked when TROY played an $EC team around the start of the season several years back. It would set the tone for league play and have the Trojans playing at a higher level, if that makes sense. After loses to Ark and FL earlier in the season, TROY would sustain that level of play. Back then, there were players that didn't shy away from leadership responsibilities, but I hope that changes this weekend for this team's sake...It could make a whale of a difference.
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Post by TrojanFanatic on Sept 24, 2014 20:17:32 GMT -6
Let's be honest here, they only have the "tradition and fanbase" because they were the only two schools anyone heard about for the longest time. Let's remember why Troy was founded in the first place, a teacher's college. It wasn't to be a football team, it wasn't to create agriculturists or lawyers, it was to educate educators. I'm just as frustrated as anyone else, but let's be realistic. If Alabama or Auburn had Troy's roots, do you honestly think they wouldn't be in the same situation we are right now? Just some perspective
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Post by doug4troy on Sept 24, 2014 21:08:32 GMT -6
I'm guessing we have a closet Bama or Aub fan on our hands here. That's ok though. The SEC is great. However, I couldn't care less about them. I want Troy to be 12-0 whomever the opponents are and I will be happy with the easiest possible path. Yea I played a lot of ball when I was much younger. We have plenty of money as a fan base but these are business men. They will not support an inferior product. Simple truth. A poor return on their investment. I agree that there are many who will only give their support if Troy wins. That is a reality, and people can choose to spend their money and time how they wish. But, true support of a school and a program should transcend wins, or championships, or titles. It should be more about supporting the student athletes that work hard and give it all they have. We are investing in them, calculating a return on that investment is not as simple as wins vs. losses. It doesn't bother me when someone calls for a coach to be fired, or complains that changes should be made. We are fans on a message board... it's what we do. But I really don't like to hear "I am done with Troy until they win." Most people who say things like that probably never gave much support even when we won five straight Sun Belt titles, and the only away games they would ever attend would be to one of those "mighty SEC schools" and not a conference game. They were likely going to see the SEC team more than Troy.
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Post by preachertoo on Sept 24, 2014 21:32:52 GMT -6
I know men who have taken the extra money they were giving to football and they are placing it in the school. They are not denying Troy support. They realize for the most part football is marketing for the school. If that is the marketing product being put on the field they just shifted their support what really makes a difference. Improving the educational experience that Troy offers. When the administration wants to take football serious again. Put a product on the field that carries themselves with pride. There will be money there.
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Post by crawlspace13 on Sept 25, 2014 7:30:27 GMT -6
I'm just as frustrated as anyone else, but let's be realistic. If Alabama or Auburn had Troy's roots, do you honestly think they wouldn't be in the same situation we are right now? Just some perspective Granted it was from 1850's up to about 1900, but Auburn started out as East Alabama Male College (a private liberal arts school), then upgraded to A&M College of Alabama, then became Alabama Polytechnic Institute. They became Auburn University sometime in the early 60's after they had grown and expanded their educational offerings enough to warrant it. So their actual roots are very much like ours. Is really just a matter of growth and timing as to where each school is now, both academically and in sports.
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Post by TrojanFanatic on Sept 25, 2014 7:43:34 GMT -6
They grew before us, I didn't know all of that information. Just imagine, it could've been Troy vs. Bama in the Iron Bowl haha
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Sept 25, 2014 7:46:56 GMT -6
Let's be honest here, they only have the "tradition and fanbase" because they were the only two schools anyone heard about for the longest time. Let's remember why Troy was founded in the first place, a teacher's college. It wasn't to be a football team, it wasn't to create agriculturists or lawyers, it was to educate educators. I'm just as frustrated as anyone else, but let's be realistic. If Alabama or Auburn had Troy's roots, do you honestly think they wouldn't be in the same situation we are right now? Just some perspective Just to go along with this, out of our current student population, how many are at Troy because their parents/family went to Troy? How many are there due to the academic/pageant scholarships Troy passes out a lot easier than most schools? How many are there as student athletes? How many are there due to lower rates in housing? How many just chose Troy out of the Southeast and went there? I was raised Troy , because my parents went to Troy. my wife was raised Alabama because her parents went to Alabama, however she chose Ole Miss. She however pulls for all 3. Alabama, Ole Miss and Troy, is she wrong? NO! It is a battle that we face. Money has to be invested for us to grow that is a fact. Just as with wins in the 3 major sports, Football, Baseball and Basketball, attendance will grow depending on the area of country you live. Football gets the highest level of attendance, therefore in the south, that sport must have wins. It is a battle and a business at the same time. Money has to be invested not just from donors but from the university to fix this. If not done quickly, we will keep going down a backwards slope. However, having the attitude I see from some on this forum, TROY only, is sad and comes out as the (The HC we don’t speak of) on our shoulder we call UAB out for that they have because of University of Alabama. Sadly we played SEC teams the last 2 years, who were coming back and getting stronger and GOOD. Instead of competing we have been embarrassed. However cheaper to travel and make money there then going to I am sure a beautiful UMASS school. Facts are there, we are smaller and have to prove ourselves, and in order to do that we must win, raise money, at the same time, and set ourselves out as a powerhouse in a small low level conference. Oh and I might add, stop the small town politics that are evident both on the field and off. Just my opinion.
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Sept 25, 2014 8:42:23 GMT -6
This entire thread makes me feel like it is 2003.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 25, 2014 8:57:39 GMT -6
I think people have lost sight of just how young our program is at the FBS level. Combine that with a pretty high level of success in the first decade of FBS existence seems to have people expecting this deal to come easy and cheap. It doesn't work that way. We started out strong with a lot excitement about the move to FBS. People enjoyed the success but do don't invest an out previous AD didn't capitalize on the success. So we get to where we are today. It a long road back to the top and it will take a lot of work from the athletic department and staff along with support from the university and donors.
As far a being a fan of two teams I couldn't care less. However, if you are one of those that will pay $70 per ticket to a Bama game, but you expect free tickets every time you come to Troy, I won't be putting them in your hands. Don't need fans like that and don't want them.
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Sept 25, 2014 9:16:43 GMT -6
As far a being a fan of two teams I couldn't care less. However, if you are one of those that will pay $70 per ticket to a Bama game, but you expect free tickets every time you come to Troy, I won't be putting them in your hands. Don't need fans like that and don't want them. And those type of fans are not allowed to view my television at "Hemi's Tailgate" either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 9:18:49 GMT -6
As far a being a fan of two teams I couldn't care less. However, if you are one of those that will pay $70 per ticket to a Bama game, but you expect free tickets every time you come to Troy, I won't be putting them in your hands. Don't need fans like that and don't want them. And those type of fans are not allowed to view my television at "Hemi's Tailgate" either. With great power, comes great responsibility. On the split fans, I'm all for it if you actually have some sort of investment in the other school (i.e. actually stepped foot in a classroom at some point) but if you're a part time fan of Troy and don't support Troy because your other team's on tv, well then Troy isn't going to grow because of you anyway. (The one exception to that rule is an ECU Pirates fan that I know...)
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Post by steve1981 on Sept 30, 2014 19:15:49 GMT -6
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 30, 2014 19:25:08 GMT -6
I'm ok with that...so do we pay you guys $75K to come to Troy as well? I haven't seen any money talk before your post...
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 30, 2014 20:27:29 GMT -6
Better yet, am invited to your tailgate? You are invited to mine!!!
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Post by crawlspace13 on Oct 1, 2014 7:42:47 GMT -6
I'm ok with that...so do we pay you guys $75K to come to Troy as well? I haven't seen any money talk before your post... I'm curious about the deal, too. The list says "no compensation" so I'm taking that to mean we're not paying them to come? However, with the exception of App State, that $75,000 looks to be way on the low end of payouts for playing. Maybe a trade-off? App State may have the same type of deal, but theirs says "not listed in contract." For comparison, FIU has $200,000 going in both directions. Charlotte has $150,000.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 1, 2014 7:57:24 GMT -6
I'm ok with that...so do we pay you guys $75K to come to Troy as well? I haven't seen any money talk before your post... I'm curious about the deal, too. The list says "no compensation" so I'm taking that to mean we're not paying them to come? However, with the exception of App State, that $75,000 looks to be way on the low end of payouts for playing. Maybe a trade-off? App State may have the same type of deal, but theirs says "not listed in contract." For comparison, FIU has $200,000 going in both directions. Charlotte has $150,000. Yes, no or very little compensation. The cost of taking the team to UMass will be a lot. The home game revenue on the return from UMass will be light in comparison to say a cool Million from one of the big boys. In the best dream world it is net net zero deal. And if we want an extra home game, schedule Alabama State ! They will fill the stands.
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Post by Possum on Oct 1, 2014 8:13:02 GMT -6
Alabama State would beat us...if we have a team like this year's...
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 1, 2014 8:18:55 GMT -6
I'm ok with that...so do we pay you guys $75K to come to Troy as well? I haven't seen any money talk before your post... I'm curious about the deal, too. The list says "no compensation" so I'm taking that to mean we're not paying them to come? However, with the exception of App State, that $75,000 looks to be way on the low end of payouts for playing. Maybe a trade-off? App State may have the same type of deal, but theirs says "not listed in contract." For comparison, FIU has $200,000 going in both directions. Charlotte has $150,000. Looks like UMass was scrambling to fill their schedule with them leaving the MAC.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 1, 2014 12:07:20 GMT -6
Alabama State would beat us...if we have a team like this year's... We are not that bad off.
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Post by Possum on Oct 1, 2014 13:06:01 GMT -6
I wouldn't say that.
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Post by steve1981 on Oct 1, 2014 13:28:13 GMT -6
I'm curious about the deal, too. The list says "no compensation" so I'm taking that to mean we're not paying them to come? However, with the exception of App State, that $75,000 looks to be way on the low end of payouts for playing. Maybe a trade-off? App State may have the same type of deal, but theirs says "not listed in contract." For comparison, FIU has $200,000 going in both directions. Charlotte has $150,000. Yes, no or very little compensation. The cost of taking the team to UMass will be a lot. The home game revenue on the return from UMass will be light in comparison to say a cool Million from one of the big boys. In the best dream world it is net net zero deal. And if we want an extra home game, schedule Alabama State ! They will fill the stands. Those CUSA teams are a wash. Sunbelt teams make the 75k and perhaps could be a model for all Sun Belt teams. (On the csnbbs board a while back, a Ark State poster said that there may be a peace offering of sorts. Don't let us in the conference, but agree to schedule some games.) Here is a link to breach of contract and the amounts seem to be in range with everyone else from P5, G5, and Indy. Breach Contract Article LinkThink 75k would cover cost as the travel team maybe a little less than the 85 scholarships. Yes coaches and other people, but still is close to a thousand dollars per person.
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Post by crawlspace13 on Oct 1, 2014 18:47:29 GMT -6
And if we want an extra home game, schedule Alabama State ! They will fill the stands. That might actually be fun, but we can only have one FCS game a year. I think we'd still need another FBS school to round out to six home games?
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Post by steve1981 on May 14, 2016 2:06:05 GMT -6
Better yet, am invited to your tailgate? You are invited to mine!!! Yes you re invited. Unfortunately will only be going to the ODU game since it's drive-able.
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Post by cornhole on May 14, 2016 7:37:32 GMT -6
Nice digs! Our head Coach Neal Brown played football there a "couple" years back! I wonder who he's cheering for???
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Post by steve1981 on May 14, 2016 11:37:07 GMT -6
Nice digs! Our head Coach Neal Brown played football there a "couple" years back! I wonder who he's cheering for??? Not sure about Coach Neal Brown, but thanks on the nice digs comment. It's our hope to find a conference and blow-up the stands on screen right. Then build new stands with two levels and suites with all the FBS amenities you expect at a FBS stadium. Currently we have extremely limited seats in the Press and Sky box screen left and a large hospitality room with the full length deck on the Football Performance center, screen center. The closest towers are the southwest residential towers, one of 6 student residential areas. The students show up and party and most leave around half time. Wish you guys success in your season and a good game on Nov 5th.
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